So is it degenerate to date an adult as an adult roleplaying as a teenager in a video game about high schoolers or degenerate to date teenagers as an adult roleplaying as a teenager in a video game about high schoolers?
You're running off flawed logic here, a teenager shouldn't have romantic relations with his/her peers because it's you playing as them? Keep in mind while we do make choices and such there are canon interpretations of every one of the protagonists in adaptations and the like. It's a role playing game, if you don't want to date anyone because you feel like a child molester doing so then don't but understand that you are not yourself but this character who is in fact not an adult.
If you're projecting yourself onto the character you're supposed to be in the shoes of as opposed to acting within what a character in this position might then that's your problem, not anyone else's.
i've seen every anime fandom and they all suffer from this trash. grown ass people jerking off to actual kids and arguing over which kid is the most fuckable
Even if you find the game geared towards teens, the problematic aspects of the relationships still remain.
I will however say that I have yet to meet someone in my life or online who has played this game who is under the age of 20.
Progressives tend to make a lot of excuses for anime in general.Fully agree. I can't believe that this game is held in such a high regard on a progressive forum and by the industry press. It's pure filth.
Even if you find the game geared towards teens, the problematic aspects of the relationships still remain.
I will however say that I have yet to meet someone in my life or online who has played this game who is under the age of 20.
I tried to date Takemi but I guess I missed the last part even after I maxed her out and ended up with Ryuji, lonely and eating chocolate he gave me.
persona 5 suffers from the same brand of wish-fulfillment waifu simulator tropes that a lot of otaku aimed japanese media suffers from. which is aggravating since, aside from being creepy in a meta way, also leads to terminally uninteresting female characters.
I believe P3 and P3FES were the only ones were you didn't have the option to go platonic in the relationships. That is also the game where reversing and outright breaking social links were emphasized the most based on your dialogue choices (S. Links would also reverse if you spent a long time without hanging out with someone).I'm glad they added the option not to pursue romance. But the it's very clear that the game just wants you to take the romance options. The female characters kind of just throw themselves at you without you doing much to earn their affection. I don't understand why more effort isn't made into writing better scenarios based on how you can respond. Most of the dialogue doesn't have VA so it just comes down to effort. It would go a long way to cutting back on the creep aspect.
It's the weird part with threads like this. You have the option to not date anyone... and then we learn that the OP decided to date the teacher anyways.
I would've done that! But there's an achievement attached to it.
I picked Makoto and there were sexual implications but other than blushing there's nothing really shown. If that's someone's thing, oh well, but I dont think the game handles it distastefully or in a way specifically catering to the sexual desires of the player.I mean, like, looking at it in depth though, what are people even supposed to get turned on by? The implication of sex? (does that ever even happen? If it did, I don't remember.) Hand holding? Do those guys even kiss at any point?
are qe supposed to demonize everything because of fanbase alone? should sonic be co sidered smut do to the furry fan base around it? are children not allowed to like my little pony because of the creepy adult fandom?Yeah it's weird af. Doesn't help disprove the stereotype.
All these people saying "but my character is 16!!!!", ok sure buddy. Explain the creepy cultism among the adult players then.
Not true, before the actual romance is engaged, the stuff about her being in debt is already resolved and she had quit the maid job as well. The only power imbalance would be in her favor until she starts dating Joker, in which you could make that argument, but your point would be mootIt moreso the power dynamics of her being dependent on you. We could completely ruin her career, we have far more power over her than she does over us.
Man, I brought this up before, but no one seemed to pay any attention. I'm glad someone else agrees. Futaba was the worst, because it felt like you were taking advantage of her trauma.This is a meta creepiness thing that is something else to think about.
The relationships with Futaba and the adults were what creeped me out though as Joker is much younger than the adults and is a brother figure to Futaba. Most of the relationships feel creepy even before you think about the creepiness of video game relationships in general.
The problematic gameification of romance is one thing, but this thinly veiled paedophillia accusation is really pathetic moral panic.
Why is a 'vessel' player character any different to a film character who is made for the audience to specifically identify with? Or what about a game like Life is Strange, where Max's characterisation is quite light touch in order for the player to project their own thoughts and feelings, which is central to any game based on player choice?
Also, what on earth is wrong with characters dating, when they are of the age where the vast, vast majority of people are dating? You say "children" but these are teenagers, above the age of consent. Is your implication that dirty old men are buying Persona 5 to live out their fantasies?
Finally, what is wrong with an adult playing a narrative in which some teenagers date? I absolutely love teen rom coms, and teen romances, because I was a somewhat romantic and wistful teenager who had some very intense relationships that I will always feel nostalgic about. It's fun to revisit those feelings and themes, whether it's through stuff like Your Name, Juno, Orange, Love Simon, Angus Thongs and Perfect Snogging, Show Me Love, Gregory's Girl, Moonlight, Whip It, Beautiful Thing etc, or through games like Persona, Stardew Valley or Life is Strange.
As I said, the gameification of romance is definitely troublesome, but it's really sad that teen romance stories are deemed 'problematic' in the video game sphere because of the fear that some pervs are getting sexual gratification from it.
Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
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Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
can we all at the very least agree on the fact that irl adults arguing over which high school girl is the best "waifu" are sick fucks
What? Futaba is the best girl.I'm curious what about Futaba's character makes someone think Joker should be working on a romance with her. I didn't even know she was a 'romance' possibility until this thread. Yikes.
I first played Persona when I was around 15 or 16, and I was 19 when I played Persona 5.Even if you find the game geared towards teens, the problematic aspects of the relationships still remain.
I will however say that I have yet to meet someone in my life or online who has played this game who is under the age of 20.
Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
Im 19, and the vast majority of Personas fanbase (mostly the art focused part like on Tumble, Twitter, etc) are young teens and people in their twenties.Even if you find the game geared towards teens, the problematic aspects of the relationships still remain.
I will however say that I have yet to meet someone in my life or online who has played this game who is under the age of 20.
are qe supposed to demonize everything because of fanbase alone? should sonic be co sidered smut do to the furry fan base around it? are children not allowed to like my little pony because of the creepy adult fandom?
Man, I'd kill for that shit. Older characters and more grounded character struggles. That's another thing that Persona has trouble with - a lot of the individual character struggles are either too banal ("I wanna be a high school athlete but my body can't take it") or too out there to be taken seriously as an adult ("I'm feeling pressured by my family to inherit the zaibatsu.") Something like Kanji's issues with gender roles and sexuality is great - or would be if they had stuck the landing.Catherine should spin off into a more mature take on Persona with puzzle dungeons and shit. So basically Catherine with RPG elements...
I'd cop, even if it meant they had to axe it down like 2-3 dungeons for quality and time purposes, P5 went on too long and P4 kinda dragged even though the story was more compelling so I gave it a pass.
If the new Harry Potter game allows romances we will have another threads like this?
I hope the game doesn't allow dating teachers
"Otaku aimed japanese media" which is basically what sustained and created the entire market for games, anime, manga (without counting western fans, soldiers, trains, figures and other type of otaku but I know people ignore those) and for games, even the best-selling ones are mostly bought by otaku like Pokémon, MH, DQ, Mario, Persona and others. Those were always the people that bought them since the beginning, they just were named otaku later. And of course, the majority of them aren't the sterotype made but normal people, even more since the last decade where it was more acceptable to admit that you're a otaku instead of do those things in secret of other people. Otaku for more than a decade is a word in common use by being a nerd and it comprises of people from different ages and genders as we know by researches.
Some people have to frame things in the worst way possible, holy shit.
None of that is in the main game though, its specifically a fan service spinoff title... Low hanging fruit to pick there
Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29