I actually hope we get the option for unlocked framerates more often with new TVs supporting variable refresh rates..
Phil Spencer prefers frame rate over resolution - future titles will focus more on that
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I actually hope we get the option for unlocked framerates more often with new TVs supporting variable refresh rates..
I'm OK with that. I just wonder what the minimum resolution is going to be. Can we realistically expect a full native 4K of the XSX or could it be that they go lower than 4K to maintain a constant 60fps or even higher?
I've never seen a game with a framerate over 60fps, but I would say a locked 60fps is absolutely fine for most games.
It's a fair enough point and one I agree with. I don't see a huge difference when I see something in 900p vs 1080p so if a barely noticeable drop in resolution means a much better frame-rate then I'm all for that.
Honestly won't be surprised to see a lot of titles running some sort of checkerboard upscaling so they can hit 60fps+. However, as always there are going to be a lot of titles that focus on quality of graphics over frame-rate so I won't be surprised to see a lot of true 4k games at 30fps.
Honestly won't be surprised to see a lot of titles running some sort of checkerboard upscaling so they can hit 60fps+. However, as always there are going to be a lot of titles that focus on quality of graphics over frame-rate so I won't be surprised to see a lot of true 4k games at 30fps.
Ahh, you're back with this nonsense, I see.
You may not be able to see the difference, but don't think to speak for the rest of us.
I'll wait till MS says they mandate all games have a 60FPS option before I wet my pants over more PR talk
I'm not sure you understood the point I am trying to make. All of those systems run on the CPU. The point is if the CPU is being fully utilized at 30fps, lowering resolution isn't going to raise the framerate. You'd go from (gross simplification):
Resolution: 4k
CPU Util: 100%
GPU Util: 100%
Framerate: 30fps
Resolution: 1080p
CPU Util: 100%
GPU Util: 50%
Framerate: 30fps
The CPU is the limiting factor there.
You need a mandate to see that their first party is already trending that way?
I really hate how resolutions became a main talking point this generation, last gen nobody gave two shakes of a rat's ass about resolution, at least on consoles.
If the game looks good and runs good, that's good enough for me, and this is coming from someone that recently moved to PC.
If the game looks good and runs good, that's good enough for me, and this is coming from someone that recently moved to PC.
I am already expecting your game to be a strong contender for my GOTY, so 120 may take it right across the finish line for me :)
So you didn't play Horizon Zero Dawn or God of War.
Sure, in shooters, fighting games, fast action games 60fps is required for good gameplay, but sometimes if the game is made well 30fps isn't bad or janky.
While I'd hope that all games are 60fps next gen, I don't expect it. I would hope that any 30fps games are made with the same care and quality as HZD and GoW where it's not negatively hurting the game.
Don't own a ps4 pro or xbox one x, but I know some ps4 options let you choose between performance and graphics. Does performance ever push from 30 frames to 60 or is that change not that drastic?
Resolution changes have been a big sticking point in game gens. From scaling to 320x240 to 640x480 to 1280x720 to 1920x1080 and beyond.
Resolution aside, I do hope that some games (like a RPG with big open world) will still have the graphical bells and whistles that you want to see in such games. Personally I've always been fine with 30fps in some games.
I do want to be amazed by beautiful visuals in PG's first RPG.
I do want to be amazed by beautiful visuals in PG's first RPG.
not that I could take advantage of it because of my tv but yes, very much so.
What's that gotta do with performance and wet pants pr talk? Legit wondering.
Music to my fucking ears. The time for 60fps to be expected is going to arrive with these new consoles.
They never claimed that lots of games were going to be 8K. It's just 8K capable, and that will likely be only achieved by non demanding games.
Totes.
I mean, I'm on PC and will be getting that regardless, but spread the love.
The only problem is the lack of 120Hz TVs, and I don't know how many people will want their XBSX in a desktop setup.
Then why are you here discussing 1st party titles in a frame rate discussion?
You think forza horizon 4 has a 60fps mode because of reddit threads?
I would be interested in it at 16hz lol. But yes of course
Because if he were to say that ALL games be 60FPS on the console then I'll pre order the Series X right now
Or not.
Maybe the system is powerful enough that they can more or less promise all this, and also the next gen worthy visuals.
I wonder, if they have a RPG for example at a variable resolution, something between 1440p and 2160p, things like visual fidelity shouldn't necessarily have to be sacrificed, have they? Or is there just no way to tell at this moment?
Oh...it has to be forced in order for the obvious trend that's happening can be considered real? Wow.
Your posts get worse each time. First it was the performance...then it was quality and now it's forcing every dev to do 60. 3rd party or otherwise.
Yup. He's saying this because all games for the first year will be built for a base XB1. Once the base is the Series X watch a lot of games go back to a 30fps target.
It's a good tactic as I expect Sony's PS5 exclusives will be 30fps but look a generation ahead of some Xbox exclusives.
Ah yes, Halo/Gears/Forza etc are going to go back to 30fps (－‸ლ)
These fanboy/girl narratives are so ridiculous.
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I had no issues with HZD, but I gotta say once I switched to performance mode in GOW I never went back. It's just much more pleasing, even though it rarely reaches 60fps for long.
I very much hope most next gen games offer a 60fps mode.
Huh? MS has already been making the push to 60 on first party titles but ok.
Ah yes, Halo/Gear/Forza etc are going to go back to 30fps (－‸ლ)
No they won´t.
Their competitive titles will remain 60FPS, like basically any other competitive title in the market.
Will their other titles follow the route ? I don´t think so but who knows maybe I´m wrong.
Let´s not forget that Hellblade announcement was running in under 30 FPS ( and yes I know it´s just an announcement ).
This feels desperately ironic given Microsoft's marketing around the Xbox One X but it's definitely the correct stance. Having said that there is a hell of a lot more to visuals than resolution or framerate so it's always a bit depressing to hear how much time is spent discussing them when compared to IQ, effects, art, and so on.