It's hard to take mods seriously when these kinds of posts are allowed.
It's one thing to question Sony's decision, but to mock them for it? There's nothing stupid about it at all, and I dare you to bring that up in the main thread.
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PlayStation cancels planned PAX East appearance due to increasing concerns related to Coronavirus [See Staff Post]
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It's hard to take mods seriously when these kinds of posts are allowed.
It's one thing to question Sony's decision, but to mock them for it? There's nothing stupid about it at all, and I dare you to bring that up in the main thread.
I agree with you, and find this entire fiasco is a disappointing display by Era as a whole. There are actually people that are so dependent on electronic toy commercials for whatever reason that they're openly mocking a very positive effort by a company to protect their employee's health, and getting away with it. It's disgustingly lacking in empathy, regardless of what you think of the illness' actual potency.
Fore those in interest, AMD cancelled their EMEA partner conference due to fears of corona....Intel cancelled theirs.....there have been numerous cancelations by large corperations due to fears of this spreading.
To attack Sony for this, is just downright wrong IMO.
To attack Sony for this, is just downright wrong IMO.
It's downright wrong to blame any company for cancelling any public events today for the safety of their employees, but people will continue pushing their narratives, I guess. I'm just perplexed that the mod think this is acceptable
And you deserve to be mocked constantly for writing bullshit like this
It is acceptable because people can have a viewpoint. How you present your viewpoint and debate the opposing side is what defines it's acceptableness.
Sony are one of many, many exhibitors. Many of those will have already taken a decision on their attendance. And they're still attending so they clearly feel the risk is low.
I mean look at car insurance as an example. The price reflects your risk levels. When I look at car insurance some insurers offer me quotes for around £300, but others go as high as £2,000. In other words they see me as nearly 7x more risky.
It is a bit more nuanced than that, but you get the idea - people's assessment of risk differs.
We know that you cannot enter the US if you've recently been to the deeply affected areas if you are not a US citizen, and if you are US citizen you must undergo quarantine.
We know that there have been 15 cases in the US, and given the recovery period elsewhere there's likely only 3 active cases, and no new cases in a week.
We know that the seriousness of the disease for those under 50 is very low.
We know that with the exception of South Korea in the last couple of days and also the cruise ship that cases outside of China on a daily basis has been in single digits or into the low 10s.
The risk that someone would attend PAX who has it, or would transit through somewhere and pick it up from someone in order to attend is very low.
Sony has obviously taken the viewpoint that even if that risk is 0.0001% they want to avoid it.
Sony is fully entitled to hold that risk viewpoint.
Others are entitled to think that based on the risk level that Sony's decision is interesting and not one they'd take.
Someone is not entitled to think someone should be mocked for holding either view and is precisely what the mods are talking about in their original post.
i don't think anyone cares if they show up at pax, i didn't even know they had a booth nor am i interested in anything they have to show but i can still hold the opinion that this is an overreaction.
You have your point and I can see a valid argument being made for those who think that Sony is taking extreme precautions is unnecessary for a very low chance of contacting the virus, but as they say, better safe than sorry. Besides, is it fair to think a company is acting unreasonable and "mock" them for doing what they think is best for their employees? This forum in general is against crunch time because it requires developers to work against their will to ship a product. How is forcing employees to attend an event attended by people worldwide, also possibly against their wishes any different? And lastly, the kind of posts I was referring to in my original post was about people who made conspiracy theories like "Sony is doing everything they can to delay PS5 announcement!". There is no substance to this claim and it serves nothing else than to undermine the concern Sony has for their employees
If everyone wrote like you did then I would totally agreed with the mods. But unfortunately there are many posts that are more concerned about why they aren't getting PS5 info, or Sony info, or concern trolling about what will happen to the PS5 or whether Sony is using the virus as an excuse. Then there are also those that mock people who think that the virus is a real threat and keep saying things like "WHAT ABOUT SEASONAL FLU HUHHH?!
The initial mod post legitimised these people and that's what some posters and I had issues with.
It's great that you typed all that out reasonably but not everyone is like you and I think it is disheartening to see people valuing videos games over the health of those that are actually making them.
I wake up to see this at 24 pages!? Seriously??? Its just a convention, why on earth do people give a shit. They were not going to announce PS5 at fucking PAX East.
They could literally announce the PS5 a month before it comes out(they won't) and it would do gangbusters, the same games would be there either way. For people on this forum, the announcement is pure gravy. People getting worked up about as if this is something they need to prepare for are being absurd.
Lmao this is peak era
Sony will probably have to pay a lot of cancellation fees, it's not like someone woke up one day and said "nah I ain't going"
"they could wear masks", lmfao
Sony will probably have to pay a lot of cancellation fees, it's not like someone woke up one day and said "nah I ain't going"
"they could wear masks", lmfao
Was sony supposed to show ps5 at this event? Why are people so mad a bout it? I 'm getting suspicious about no ps5 event.
I'm reminded of a phrase from 80s comedy Blackadder 2 here in the UK "The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed hasn't he?"
Absolutely ridiculous. The corona virus has been pretty well contained so far to mainland China. I've been traveling like crazy and am currently in Europe, and if I didn't keep up on news I wouldn't even know something was going on. Between this and E3 their PR is off to a pretty shit start.
Yes, they have, but they dont bring people from Asia to work at an event in US or Europe... At Gamescom most of Sony staff is German, plus local PR representatives for journos from different countries.
You're not sick doesn't mean there is no risk. Jesus, some people.
The numbers look contained in China but numbers elsewhere are starting to climb. And it looks more and more possible that the disease spreads asymptomatically in some cases.
nope, looking at how thirsty people are at this point, they are doing everything right. when they finally release infos about their next plastic box known as the PS5, people will be going batshit crazy, pre orders will be through the roof and everyone will be excited to throw their bucks at sony.
Yesterday there were 51 new cases in South Korea alone. Today it was just announced that there are now more than 100 confirmed cases, including SK's first death. SK now has the second most infections, surpassing Japan who just surpassed Singapore for the second most yesterday.
I have no problem with Sony pulling out due to health concerns. If they believe there is that much of a risk, then go for it - it's the right move. However, there are some questions to be asked:
• Are there other Japanese/international companies going to PAX East? Are they doing something different?
• If PAX East could become problematic itself, why hasn't PAX stopped the entire event? Has PAX commented on this concern?
• Are there other Japanese/international companies going to PAX East? Are they doing something different?
• If PAX East could become problematic itself, why hasn't PAX stopped the entire event? Has PAX commented on this concern?
I didn't know those people don't rely on airports for travel.
So every convention and every EXPO should be cancelled right now, because everything rely on airports for travel :P
And that 12 could double easily.
i wonder how many people arguing for Sony to go are the same type of people who wash their hands with 3 seconds of water and no soap in the bathroom at work.
Probably, nothing is more important than stopping the spread of this thing that has already killed 1000+ people. All it takes is one idiot to spread it.
Lol, what is this thread?
Supposedly cleaned up but somehow this heap left untouched?
Someone repeatedly downplaying the concern throughout the entire thread. Even managing to squeeze in the old "have you heard of the flu?" angle that people have been banned for before. Even comparing it to cars and alcohol in the US. Like if people are concerned about coronavirus in the US they should also be concerned by cars.
"We should have no events in person because of alcohol and cars if the coronavirus is enough to cancel an event."
Literally an ocean of bad faith points..
Supposedly cleaned up but somehow this heap left untouched?
Someone repeatedly downplaying the concern throughout the entire thread. Even managing to squeeze in the old "have you heard of the flu?" angle that people have been banned for before. Even comparing it to cars and alcohol in the US. Like if people are concerned about coronavirus in the US they should also be concerned by cars.
"We should have no events in person because of alcohol and cars if the coronavirus is enough to cancel an event."
Literally an ocean of bad faith points..
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I think Sony's reason for backing out of PAX East is fine. They are just in this weird position where they really need to blow people's minds when they finally decide to show up. They've just been silent for too long and people's thirst and expectations are growing. Their PR department has been really weird from the beginning of 2019 too.
Yeah this is the biggest bullshit in here, but guess it's fine so we can start to turn it around by saying that people that think like this are insane. I mean he says the same about us.
Wtf how did this person go unchecked this whole thread for that?
People willing to get sick just to have a chance to play a TLOU2 demo should tell Sony....yeah this game will sell just fine with out the demo.
All I'm saying is millions of people are traveling every day, for work and travel. Not saying there isn't a risk, but for a MAJOR company to not go to Boston is absolutely stupid in my opinion
I went to three PaxEast events in Boston. At every one there were postings and warnings about bringing Purel, because they had a bad year where bird flu was spread around and tons of visitors and exhibitors got sick.
PAX has developers from not just USA there. And sometimes they send people from Japan to these events.
It's not stupid.
If anything I'm surprised I haven;t heard other companies pulling out of Paxeast this year or other events. Wonder how GDC will fair thats in a couple weeks.
I wonder how many people who applaud this are the same type of people who are avoiding chinese restaurants right now. "Better safe than sorry".
I can play this game too.
Once again i couldn't possibly care less about any sony products but the mass hysteria is hurting people far more than the actual virus in the US.
Even I, MajulaDream, think this thread is an embarrassment and a shitshow. Pause and process THAT for a moment, lol!
Easier to just ignore the user, but yeah a whole tirade of horrible takes.
Literally the smartest decision they could make given conventions spread generic germs like nobody's business. Yes, Corona Virus isn't there right now but the likelihood of it spreading would be crazy high, I would imagine. Several people are likely to be high who have been in infectious areas.
Welcome to reset. Their discretion when deciding these things is completely a power trip. OOP, i'm probably going to get banned now!. Anyways, Sony is being proactive about this situation and i see no harm in their decision.
I can't blame them but they should have bailed several weeks ago. This kinda sucks for anyone who was planning on attending the show to see Sony.
Not a move I agree with though...
www.nytimes.com
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Not a move I agree with though...
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