I'm curious at which point during this weekend you got the impression Sony were in a giving and generous mood lol
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And I cop to the fact I came across as such, without meaning to so itis all good friend!
Nope, nothing else to it. There was literally no issues until the game was delisted from steam on certain countries as a result of it but it had already taken on a life of its own long before that happened. Nobody cared for the actual facts or circumstances like it actually being there from day 1 and shown to players the first time they boot up the game, nobody listened to the people from any of those countries in any of these threads, certainly nobody actually cared about the countries that were delisted either. It was purely fueled by console war nonsense. People acted like children instead and now the chuds and capital-G "Gamers" are ever more emboldened to do this again whenever they want with whatever they want. The only thing "won" was that those countries can no longer buy it. It's a lose-lose for everybody.
I would not be surprised either if Sony only delisted it from those countries because of the initial vocal backlash about creating a PSN account alerted them to needing to do so. There is really no other explanation for it when you consider the simple facts: PSN was mandatory day 1 when it launched yet it was sold everywhere anyway, so Sony definitely did not care for any of this back then.
Nobody was going to lose access to a game they already bought
It was Sony who made both decisions in the first place. Do you really think that mattered to them?
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I'm confused. You said something really positive, but your tone makes it sound like a bad thing.
Oh yes, the classic "I have been able to do it, so it doesn't affect me. Why is it a problem?" while ignoring the countless others that can't do refunds.
One time "courtesy refunds" aren't a process.
And Reddit started Operation: Clean Up to remove negative reviews
That has nothing to do with what I said, but as has been said multiple times in this thread already nuance is absolutely dead online.
The issue here was probably because of the PSN regions and needing to technically withdraw sale from specific countries because of the TOS. It will be sold as a "we listened" by marketing but it's because they weren't ready for a true global launch of this for PSN accounts.
I suspect this will get resolved with them adding a "Rest of world" region which will home people behind the scenes to the nearest country with PSN support officially.
This will be coming back as it will be used as a key metric for MAU, player engagement that their shareholders will be looking for and they'll use it to tie in features like trophies and secure some of the features between PC and the console communities.
People will say whatever about Sony and their infrastructure or PSN coding regardless because they think it's the cool thing to do, but these companies use this data to understand their markets and audiences and reporting and they can do that most effectively if you've agreed to their TOS across multiple games. It's going to come back, Sony just need to find a way to sell it as a requirement more effectively (see: bonus skins and freebies) and get the country coverage sorted out for PSN terms.
This isn't a win for some keyboard warriors wanting clicks for refunds - it's going to make Sony (and other companies) more committed to getting these things to be standard. Just wait until GTA6 requires a T2 account…
I suspect this will get resolved with them adding a "Rest of world" region which will home people behind the scenes to the nearest country with PSN support officially.
This will be coming back as it will be used as a key metric for MAU, player engagement that their shareholders will be looking for and they'll use it to tie in features like trophies and secure some of the features between PC and the console communities.
People will say whatever about Sony and their infrastructure or PSN coding regardless because they think it's the cool thing to do, but these companies use this data to understand their markets and audiences and reporting and they can do that most effectively if you've agreed to their TOS across multiple games. It's going to come back, Sony just need to find a way to sell it as a requirement more effectively (see: bonus skins and freebies) and get the country coverage sorted out for PSN terms.
This isn't a win for some keyboard warriors wanting clicks for refunds - it's going to make Sony (and other companies) more committed to getting these things to be standard. Just wait until GTA6 requires a T2 account…
If you are gonna throw random words you can also call people who were against incels, seeing that words lost all of their meaning.
People got mad at a dumb corporation decision and bully them into retracting, I'd love that more shit like this happened.
the whales are too strong. the combined might of every one who hates mtx could not defeat the 10 people who spend 1 million dollars combined
Anyone in here who can confirm or deny that your account is gone and you'd have to buy again and start over, if you already refunded over the weekend in a rage fit? Wondering if some super aggro REFUNDED! players might be doubly fucked now.
Sony when they saw 200k negative reviews in 2 days
The fact that no one higher up thought this would be looked at so negatively is concerning
They're primarily a console maker in the gaming space - over the years the deal has gotten worse and worse for console gamers (paying for online etc) because you literally don't have a choice there. On PC most players have come to experience you have a choice for most things and even Steam which has a pretty well earned monopoly after years and years of good will very rarely does anything that would force anything upon you. There's a reason the first games for windows live implementations all failed, they were terrible for PC players and people made a huge stink about it. It's also why the Epic store failed for so long until they eventually realised the only way to get people on their platform was to give away free games lol
I think if they said you could optionally sign up for an account/link your account and get a free skin or something nobody would have an issue.
It does. You could have left the meme be, but instead you went "oh yes, but" instead of just letting it get buried naturally.
No, nuance isn't dead. It's you who don't get why you should have let it be.
just use mcdonalds wanting you to make an account using their app to give you the meal for the affordable price in exchange for your data as an example. theyll understand immediately. people complain about people who wont use the mcdonalds app too
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Maybe because every other GAAS game with cross-platform play requires a third party account?
Maybe "you were able to use the self checkout or order at the cashier, but now you need to create a McD account to be able to make an order"
Good. I have a girlfriend who can't access her old PSN account, because she doesn't have the console or phone number she had when she made it many years ago.
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If I recall correctly the negative reviews for Arkham Knight were wiped from the count by being marked as pre release once the game went back up for sale
The brave ones are scattered sparingly through the thread.
Oh fuck off with this nonsense. Most AAA games have some sort of account/login system.
You don't like it? Cool. Acting like this is some blasphemy against PC users is idiotic. The only actually weird move was delisting the game in all the countries they had sold it before. That was an actual "get fucked" move.
Yes? Hi, hello~ what's the issue again? I will continue to use third party logins whenever there is an option. Do you think I'm going to have an issue with using my Capcom account for Monster Hunter Wilds? How do you personally deal with playing Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Namco, Bungie games? What about Final Fantasy XIV.. pretty sure that requires multiple accounts on top of Steam.
And whats with you wanting to see our faces? What scares me the most about all this vitriol in the last couple of days is that a lot of this heated dialogue spilled over into Era where suddenly there are people acting like a third party login is somehow the worst thing in the world for gaming.
(My comments do not include Sony's decision to not have an option for regions outside of PSN's coverage, and I hope they will have a solution for that soon since the game is still unavailable in many places.. even Puerto Rico and Japan which do have PSN?)
Good, players who live in unsupported countries would no longer be able to access the game.
Sony are not the good guys.
Sony are not the good guys.
There's no issue with Japan. They have their own SKU that is only sold in the Japanese store, this was just misinformation.
Oh, someone in this thread mentioned it was removed for sale in Japan on Steam - so I assumed it was verified. Thanks for correcting that.
I hope they get a week off honestly. Can't imagine how stressful this must have been, and still will be.
The initial announcement specifically said access to the game would be lost if a PSN account was not linked to the game:
So, yes, people were in fact going to lose access to the game they had already bought unless they used a TOS-breaking method.
Rockstar already do that with the infamously shit Rockstar Social Club, thing was so bad at one point that people could hack your game while you were playing single player lol. People definitely complain a lot about it though. R* don't really care though (I think they've fixed some stuff that people where complaining about for years not too long ago but it's far from good).
It's because it's an open platform with multiple launchers vs closed platforms.
It would have happened already if they could.
