Honestly, the final starter evolutions are one of the few things I think they should always reveal.
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Honestly, the final starter evolutions are one of the few things I think they should always reveal.
Yes. Nobody should ever have to end up surprised with a Chesnaught.
I was going through the lead-up to Diamond and Pearl on Serebii's archive the other day.
I was very surprised to see that the Gen IV starters were only revealed about a month and a half before launch. Surely unimaginable nowadays for the most marketable Pokémon of the lot to be kept under wraps for so long.
The following Gen IV Pokémon were revealed before Turtwig, Chimchar and Piplup:
Munchlax
Lucario
Bonsly
Mime Jr.
Weavile
Manaphy
Buizel
Chatot
Mantyke
Dialga
Palkia
Cherrim
Pachirisu
Drapion
Electivire
Roserade
By contrast, the Gen V starters were the second batch to be revealed (behind Zorua and Zoroark), whereas the Gen VI, VII and VIII starters were all the first to be revealed from their generations (give or take us seeing Pikipek's wireframe in the Sun and Moon reveal).
I was very surprised to see that the Gen IV starters were only revealed about a month and a half before launch. Surely unimaginable nowadays for the most marketable Pokémon of the lot to be kept under wraps for so long.
The following Gen IV Pokémon were revealed before Turtwig, Chimchar and Piplup:
Munchlax
Lucario
Bonsly
Mime Jr.
Weavile
Manaphy
Buizel
Chatot
Mantyke
Dialga
Palkia
Cherrim
Pachirisu
Drapion
Electivire
Roserade
By contrast, the Gen V starters were the second batch to be revealed (behind Zorua and Zoroark), whereas the Gen VI, VII and VIII starters were all the first to be revealed from their generations (give or take us seeing Pikipek's wireframe in the Sun and Moon reveal).
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It was the same with Gen 3. We didn't see the starters until I found this image on the official Pokémon site's server (inaccessible but findable)
This was found on July 16th 2002 alongside some other images of the starters. They were then not properly revealed until September 2002. We actually had Blaziken officially revealed before them
That image and then the reveal of Blaziken is what actually helped push Serebii up to the big time :)
Speaking of "third versions", I don't really mind it if there's enough content. Though preferably it would also be DLC like Torna for XB2.
USUM has more new content than people give it credit for but I still don't think it's substantial as Platinum or BW2. I know latter is a sequel but I'm going off new content and it still used BW as a foundation.
People want to know why games like HGSS and BW2 had so much content. It's pretty simple. They were based on an existing foundation and were given more time. I assume both Platinum and HGSS started development around the same time (after DP), which would have been 2 and 3 years, respectively (obviously with a smaller team). BW2 was almost 2 years after BW.
ORAS did have around a 2 year development, but they started on it like a year before XY was released. I can only assume this was because GF and TPC wanted a new game every year for the generation, but we know that didn't work out. They managed to do it for Gen 7.
Based on tweet from Go Ichinose, USUM was only in development for around a year, which isn't surprising if you factor in LGPE and SS.
USUM has more new content than people give it credit for but I still don't think it's substantial as Platinum or BW2. I know latter is a sequel but I'm going off new content and it still used BW as a foundation.
People want to know why games like HGSS and BW2 had so much content. It's pretty simple. They were based on an existing foundation and were given more time. I assume both Platinum and HGSS started development around the same time (after DP), which would have been 2 and 3 years, respectively (obviously with a smaller team). BW2 was almost 2 years after BW.
ORAS did have around a 2 year development, but they started on it like a year before XY was released. I can only assume this was because GF and TPC wanted a new game every year for the generation, but we know that didn't work out. They managed to do it for Gen 7.
Based on tweet from Go Ichinose, USUM was only in development for around a year, which isn't surprising if you factor in LGPE and SS.
I'd say USUM had far more new content than Platinum, about on par with B2W2 which only beats it out because it's a new story set 2 years after with the Memory Link feature.
I think saying that USUM had as much new content as BW2 is lunatic, to be frank, and I think Platinum just about edges it too.
It's nice to have a bit more writing and side quests to go at, and I did enjoy the Rainbow Rocket stuff, but I think the Battle Frontier is a more meaningful addition than anything USUM introduced, without even talking about the large amounts of new areas, characters and content that BW2 brought to the table.
It's nice to have a bit more writing and side quests to go at, and I did enjoy the Rainbow Rocket stuff, but I think the Battle Frontier is a more meaningful addition than anything USUM introduced, without even talking about the large amounts of new areas, characters and content that BW2 brought to the table.
I feel like the trainer rosters gig shuffled up more in Platinum than they did in USUM as well.
God, US/UM was such wasted potential. I still enjoyed it well enough since I liked S/M as a base, and the new totem fights were some of Pokemon's best boss encounters to date, but just about every exciting new feature was such a letdown in the end. I still can't believe that they actually advertised Ultra Megalopolis in a trailer and even gave it some cool key art; I was ready for a new explorable city, not a hallway with 2 NPCs. Then there's stuff like the Ultra Recon Squad literally only using Poipole in every single encounter except the first, coupled with the increased story involvement of the Ultra Beasts that some trailers implied which then only ended up being more detailed cutscenes. Imagine the URS actually using a team of Ultra Beasts in a few encounters, it would've made them a pretty interesting and challenging battle instead of literally the biggest joke of a team in Pokemon history. And of course, the exciting new story ended up being less interesting than the one told in vanilla S/M. It's also frustrating to me that in the first Pokemon game with new Pokemon added mid-generation in history doesn't let you use any of them until the game's practically over; I get that Stakataka and Blacephalon might be a bit overpowered for normal play, but Poipole's not that strong and can't evolve until you reach the Elite Four anyway; what would've been the harm in giving you one a bit earlier?
The Rainbow Rocket episode was genuinely cool and exceeded my expectations, though, I'll give them that.
The Rainbow Rocket episode was genuinely cool and exceeded my expectations, though, I'll give them that.
USUM was easily the most disappointing Third version/enhancement game for me. None of Alola's problems as a region were addressed.
Which is even worse if you've played the original SM because the plot and cutscenes are the same until late into the story.
Exactly.
USM might have equally as much new stuff as BW2 in term of numbers, but the new stuff in BW2 was more meaningful.
On top of that I heavily dislike that some of the new stuff in USM came at the cost of losing one of the most memorable scenes in the series.
That just sucks.
Not even. They cut a lot of the character development out, making the plot and cutscenes you've already experienced much worse the second time around.
I just hope they won't do version exclusives again, except for legendaries
cause that stuff sucks
cause that stuff sucks
Like, that's the whole point of having two versions and trading functionalities
I miss the neat version exclusive area changes like gen 5 had for various places to fit the truths vs ideas theme like route 4, Mistralton, Opelucid, Black Tower/White Tree, and Reversal Mountain.
I'm expecting version exclusive characters for whatever the stadium stuff is if you're really managing a team of trainers like it's being speculated.
I want to be able to trade exclusive Pokemon with people I know. That stuff is essential.
So catching up on the show and...
Shaymin is hanging out with the group? That seems a bit odd so close to a new Generation, but I can't imagine it getting anything new.
Seems Ryuki is gonna appear soon and if the stuff about him being Galarian is true I wonder if he'll introduce it to Ash.
Shaymin is hanging out with the group? That seems a bit odd so close to a new Generation, but I can't imagine it getting anything new.
Seems Ryuki is gonna appear soon and if the stuff about him being Galarian is true I wonder if he'll introduce it to Ash.
Nah, if you go on the GTS and deposit a version exclusive and ask for its counterpart you'll almost certainly get one within a few minutes. The only real exception this that i can remember is that it was really hard to get people to trade Celesteela for Kartana due to one being much better than the other competitively.
Ah, GTS. I have fond memories of scouring the GTS in Gen V to get new hidden abilities whenever the Dream World updated. And then in Gen VI when Poke Bank was only out in Japan, I remember using Bonsly to acquire all the past legendaries. I would first ask for the Muskedeers, as many people would have two copies of them from BW and BW2, then use those to trade up over and over again. Then in Gen VII, it was fairly easy to get Pheramosas from people putting up their extra copies for whatever random things they needed as Dex filler, and then you could use those to get other UBs/Legendaries. Wasn't much reason for that, other than it can be fun to just turn regular junk 'mons into rare legendaries.
Anyone remember in the early days of Sun and Moon when you could basically trade a Trubbish for anything?
Yeah wtf was that all about anyway? I remember getting some damn good mons
that we're most likely fake lol
Anyone heard if a strategy guide is being made? How long did it take for Let's Go, Sun and Moon, and Ultra Sun and Moon's guides to pop up? Luckily TPC seems to make them alongside Penguin Random House themselves, rather than Prima Games, so there is hope.
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I actually never got the strange affection people have for Battle Frontier, most of the facilities were either RNG fests or general pains in the ass. I think the only facility I have super fond memories of is Battle Factory. I much prefer post game story stuff to BF.
They're usually announced closer to the release date, like a few months before.
What I hate is that they usually come out at least a couple of weeks after the games. So most people already finished the game by then.
I buy them not because I actually use them as a strategy guide, since the most useful info is actually on the Internet, but I really like to see the artwork of the Pokémon on paper, and they most of the times do a great job with the design of the charts and info and stuff. In the past they used to make lots of mistakes though, with the names of the Pokémon or attacks or they would put incorrect sprites or discolored pages, but recently the guides have been great (for what they are).
Platinum had more Pokémon than Diamond and Pearl too.
My thing with US/UM, is not so much against them, but that it actually made S/M look so unfinished. Because they were. I feel like US/UM is how S/M had to be done in the first place. Even though people say S/M had I don't know which super important cutscenes that US/UM removed/changed, it still felt incomplete to me. Like I'll never move on with how they left that Fairy trial situation or the Dragon trial without a captain.
Other third versions or B2/W2 ADDED content to the first pair, but US/UM came to finish what S/M couldn't, and that's just sad.
Lol of course that will be part of the games. That's the point of 2 versions.
These last four pokemon games (The 3DS era), has always felt somewhat "incomplete" one way or another. Even US/UM, you can tell the story changes were clearly rushed.
"We need that Cosmog to access Ultra Space so we can restrain Necrozma!"
Later on...
"Sorry for what happened to Cosmog. Anyway, here's this Solgaleo/Lunala we've had this whole time. Go and find Necrozma with it."
I'm not sure if this was an oversight or if certain elements from the Necrozma plot were just scrapped.
Later on...
"Sorry for what happened to Cosmog. Anyway, here's this Solgaleo/Lunala we've had this whole time. Go and find Necrozma with it."
I'm not sure if this was an oversight or if certain elements from the Necrozma plot were just scrapped.
Also want to echo the sentiments of USUM being disappointing to me
100% agree, im not gonna pretend that the battle frontier (and such variants) are some paragons of battling or anything like that, but at least its something
100% agree, im not gonna pretend that the battle frontier (and such variants) are some paragons of battling or anything like that, but at least its something
On the topic of 3rd versions, I think Torna like mini expansions are gonna be more likely going forward instead of the old method, dlc only or as a rerelease of the main version as a complete edition for latecomers. This allows for break years with no new games and can let them have longer generations that line up more closely to each hardwares release.
I don't remember my first team, but here's my team in my current playthrough of Emerald.
Just beat Juan and caught a Bagon, leveled it up a bit and evolved it while exploring the region.
Unfortunately so. I'm not really into DLC myself, however I also feel 3rd versions like USUM are pointless in this day and age as well, so its sort of conflicting to support anything than a full package from the start. However on the other hand, a season pass style DLC package indeed is a future for Pokemon that has potential. For hypotheses sake, take something like Kalos:
-Instead of the bad pacing and high level league, the games stort peaks at lvl50.
-DLC side stories within a new area of the region come out over 3 years for the event Pokemon.
-Within Year 1 this new Area, South Kalos opens up for a new post league story.
-Year 2 sees the battle Frontier open within this new area for free.
-Year 3 sees a complete release platinum style game, alongside a giant Zygarde Cell Hunt story, including the return of Lysandre and Team Flare.
For Gen 8 they can do something similar:
-Year One post league Ireland.
-Year Two Battle Frontier or PWT
-Year Three 3rd Legendary story and more stuff.
If they really wanna go wild, they could create a new Pro level gym quest in Ireland with level 60+ gyms and a level 80 league.
I know a lot of people really don't like USUM, but I think it was pretty good if only for the fact that it was the hardest pokemon game in years, probably one of the hardest overall. The bosses were also really fun and the Rainbow Rocket post game and UB stuff was fun too. Plus there are a bunch of great sidequests that are hard to miss, I believe they added over 50 sidequests, like the one where dittos may have started replacing people or the Hypno that may have committed a crime, etc. I do think that they made the main story worse and ruined Lusamine, Lillie, and Gladion's characters (more Lusamine than the latter two), but I do think people give it too much flak.