The thing is that, if they made the models again then is still a waste of money and time because it wasn't needed so still a poor choice from GF
Pokemon is forced to an HD console and now - the developers are out of excuses
- Thread starter Exellus
- Start date
- Status
I never liked the multiplayer in Pokemon due to all the grinding and mechanics that dont feel natural to the core mechanics but to me Pokemon is a singleplayer game and they have been the same for a long time mechanically.
Ehhh yeah you are right. I suppose I am more forgiving because of how I play their output. Jumping back and forth between my PS4 and Switch ya know?
Part of it, yeah.
Who knows, maybe some models, maybe they retouched some, nobody here knows what happened.
There is no valid criticism about a Pokemon game, ever. Throughout the years, it's been either genwunning, dev hate, abuse, etc.
I feel like we're at a breaking point now though, cause even the fandom can't defend the Pokemon chop, since it directly affects the meta game.
Last edited:
Most of the competitive community plays on a fan-made simulator for exactly that reason
A developer is explaining to you of something and you dismiss it for not fitting your narrative enough. Yeah sure the other person deserves the side-eye more than you.
And where does attacking another member of the community for the crime of *checks notes* not hating the game enough fall under this? Is this also justified?
They didn't remade the models, it's pretty obvious from any comparison video. And if they did, it was a complete waste of money since no one can see any difference from the models in Sun & Moon.
I mean, GF themselves said back at X&Y they made the 3D models futureproof to use in their next games. I don't see why we are disputing this when there's zero evidence that anything changed since them.
I mean, GF themselves said back at X&Y they made the 3D models futureproof to use in their next games. I don't see why we are disputing this when there's zero evidence that anything changed since them.
The franchise machine is pretty large... almost larger than the main games themselves
Maybe it would be good of them to pump the breaks and focus on raising the quality bar before they get crushed under franchise momentum
We don't know it. Maybe the "futureproofed" models weren't compatible with the engine, or they clash with the Dynamax mechanic like Raging Spaniard said. Or maybe they are the same models. I won't enter on that because we don't know what is going on with the development on the game and I feel like it's quite disrespectful to use the "lazy devs" rhetoric whenever GF is on a conversation.
Exactly, it seems so unnatural and unintuitive so I never touched that, only back in the day when all that was needed was a cable and a will to beat your friends.
And some even defend the cut of pokemons.
You're right. The pokemon fandom has shielded GF (and will continue to do so) since years ago. This is not new at all.
Pokemon Let's go was untouchable, now this.
Original quote said redoing all of them from scratch.
That's not retouching some, or just some. It's wrong
Yep.
But I'll wait for Sword/Shield to come out before judging it...too harshly.
EDIT: Whoever gave me an infraction point with "lazy dev rhetoric" as the excuse is tripping. That poster has no clue what's going on at Gamefreak considering they work for a competitor and I'll stand by that take.
Last edited:
A developer who has nothing to do with GameFreak or Pokémon in the slightest. See the following:
You need to get over yourself. Joe is an adult. He can get over one woman not liking him.
Man people are clinging to the future proof models thing hard
Its like.... a topic about how the series should evolve its standards is irrelevant to what posters really care about
Who cares if they were "future proof"? Clearly that didnt pan out and even if they could use them easily... the design leads fucking chose not to
So thats that i guess
WE dont know, there could have been a lot of issues, we dont know. Even retouching the models would mess with the animations, again we dont know.
As opposed to you openly attacking people for daring to not hate a game enough to your liking?
Oh so you can attack someone if they are adults, good to know, this is gamers rise up tier.
On their next game. Game Freak needs to up the budget drastically and hire a lot more professionals who have experience developing open world games. Because what we have now looks like a giant turd relative to what other large companies are able to do on the Switch. Just looks sooo boring compared to other open world games....
Why would an EA dev being an EA dev grant them knowledge of trouble in Gamefreak's development pipeline?
I can buy that adding animations and tuning models is a lot of work, think the hate is excessive myself. Just think this point is a bit silly to grasp onto
The only person that needs to get over themselves is you. Joe was upset with all the shit he was getting, you know that adults can get upset right?
It won't ever because they said the restrictions will be intended for subsequent titles.
If you want to talk how e-celebrities poisoning conversation to defend their livelihood is harmful to fan communities, we can, but that's off-topic here. Pick a place and LMK, sweetie.
Nah. I really refuse to believe they didn't, 10-15 years ago, sit down and have these models made. I'd be shocked if the models made for X, Y, Sun, and Moon weren't made and rigged at super high resolution originally and then decimated down for the games. I'd be shocked if they don't do the same for Pokemon Go if they're lacking 'em, which is what, 500+ (all gen 1-5?) at this point? That's literally how you make models. Make the high res version. Strip and simplify it down to something usable in the game engine. And Gamefreak has more than just the games to use 'em in, with TV shows, movies, merch, and tons of advertising to put out. They're not dumb. Its literally saving money to do it.
Like, if they didn't, they deserve the attacks now, because that's just awful mismanagement of their entire brand. Whoever said no to it should be out of a job.
But I get them not wanting to put them all in. Its probably a ton of QA and balancing issues for a feature that literally 0.01% of the userbase will ever care about. I just don't buy the "creating new models is too much work" argument.
I think the complaints brought up in this thread from people disappointed with the look of the game are legitimate. Have you seen the E3 treehouse video on youtube? Massive amount of dislikes and some in the comments are pretty articulate as to why they are annoyed.
Because he knows what can happen during game development?
Because he knows that even the tiniest little dettail can mess the whole process?
Now tell me, why would a forum poster being a forum poster would know more about game dev than a game developer.
It matter because it was the reason why the 3DS games run so poorly.
Like, is not even GF total fault. The 3DS system was underpowered and had a low resolution even back them(and I say this as someone who love the 3DS). GF was even bold to add things like horde battles and totems knowing how those make the framerate take a nosedive.
Yup... I'm seriously not getting the outrage about this game. I think the visuals look nice, they're obviously going for a simple art style and it looks good in motion.
This is by far the most hyped I have been for a new Pokemon gen.
Off-site drama about Joe being so upset about a community divide due to Pokémon culling that he considered deleting his fan site (he will never do it btw) isn't relevant to this conversation. That's the last thing I'm going to say about this.
Again, he's just guessing. Might be more informed but it's just a guess.
And on that point, I mentioned that if they *did* have to remake all the models for some dumb reason, making them look so basic when they'll have to do that again in a few years is still pretty poor management
Oh so now you are questioning Joe's ethics because he has a Pokemon website. This is gamergate rethoric and it's disgusting.
You mean the complaints of people that though this game was gonna be the best Pokemon ever, just a week ago.
No one actually cares that its not up to the standards of its contemporaries.
Well.. some do but they always have and those few are the ones you used to see get shouted out of older pokemon threads
But not now. Now those critics are needed!
Because Game Freak wants to burn down the old houses they built and the fans arent having it
So open the flood gates to any and all of the issues that have been pointed out! Voice acting, Trees, Animations, H D GRaphix!!!
And the lord of Frames per seconds
To be fair, the Treehouse video was an organized hate bombing thing. Every other E3 video for Pokemon has a much much higher like ratio. Internet hate campaigns attacking a single video doesn't really say much.
These games will make a bunch of money anyways, but if they really were committed to expanding the brand they would slow roll development on the next main line entry. The release pattern they're going at doesn't really seem to allow for the large substantive changes between releases. Need like 3-4 years at least if you're going to really reimagine the thing for an HD console. I'm sure that as a company it would be hard to pull that off and justify the yearly numbers in the meantime, especially with what they'll still make on this release.
- Status