Pokemon X/Y has the worst writing I've seen in a modern video game
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not when lines like "Pokemon aren't things to collect" punctuates the climax of the game
that's like playing a Mario game and being told jumping is wrong
I mean, that character isnt named Lysanderoth for nothing lol
Holy shit the game actually said that?!
That's up there with the First movie saying that using pokemon to fight each other is wrong OTL
The first movie also had Pokemon collectively crying someone back to life which might be the pinnacle
What an odd thing to say. Pokemon are sentient beings put almost on the same level as humans. In the world of Pokemon that is a completely okay thing to say. We're also gonna ignore that Lusamine had her collection cryogenically frozen lol (I assume it was Gladion who said that quote my mind is blanking).
It's like saying Silver, or Paul from the anime, was right all along.
Idk, Lysandre talks about getting rid of the filth ruining the pokemon world, but have you seen the grunts he is gonna leave the new world to. They ain't no role models, much less people I would trust to reinvent the world.
No, its as nonsensical as Team Plasma telling the player to stop pocketing pocket-monsters.
Its an IP where you're encouraged to collect, trade, breed and battle these creatures so when they try to play the moral dilemma its about the most laughable angle possible.
oh Team Flare is worse, im just saying Sun and Moon had some serious ludonarrative dissonance
X/Y were bad, but US/UM have them beat very easily. The only thing I straight up hated in X/Y were the 'friends' you were forced to travel with.
But that's literally the whole point of the game and how this became a billion dollar ip lol
The hypocrite meter is off the charts lol
I agree that there is dissonance between the player but it's easy to see how characters in the world have that feeling. It's why in-game during story scenes the MC is always said to care super lots about his Pokemon and how much his pokemon love him/her, even if they were just caught seconds ago (and honestly I don't even like how the games do that).
You know what, you might be right. My main issue with SuMo's story is likely its horrendous pacing, which isn't necessarily related to the quality of its plot and characterization.
I still feel that Pokemon is at its best when it's about a young athlete trying to make it to the top of their sport, and the bad guys are just a nuisance that they have to stomp out on the way there.
Saving the world is something that every other RPG on the market does and often does better. Like, Black & White was a nice shakeup but it's not something I'd like them to try to do all the time.
Saving the world is something that every other RPG on the market does and often does better. Like, Black & White was a nice shakeup but it's not something I'd like them to try to do all the time.
Not sure why people are dumping on Black and White's plot. Team Plasma is written like an extremist group who you as the player are not supposed to agree with, while N is supposed to be their ideals boiled down to the purest form. You aren't supposed to agree with them. Some of the characters in universe are.
Team Plasma is also supposed to be hypocritical.
Team Plasma is also supposed to be hypocritical.
Excluding player only mechanics like Bank/Home, there are facilities in every single town to deposit and trade living beings, NPCs all over the place willing to trade and shops that sell items to facilitate collection. Every step of the journey pushes Pokemon collection and battling as the norm and standard way of life in these regions to the point where by the time you're done in Alola you probably own endangered species, interdimensional aliens (one of which Lillie just gives you), and island deities.
The fact that people are convinced by them at all is the part that breaks it.
XY is shambolic from beginning to end. Just a massive step back in every way imaginable. Gen V should've been Pokemon's Renaissance in terms of increasing the quality of the story and dialogue, and instead, GF thought "hmm, we haven't dumbed it down for children yet." As a result, you have some of the most idiotic character motivations, and unnatural dialogue in XY. It comes across as incredibly hollow and fake, as opposed to being an environment of humans and Pokemon coalescing.
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Sun and Moon's writing was definitely worse than X/Y's. But really, Pokemon writing in general is just awful across the board.
With regards to stuff like Team Plasma's motivation, I think the idea is that Pokemon are friends that you're supposed to have relationships with, but the gameplay isn't really built for that. I think there's plenty of it in the setting itself, there are lots of characters who seem particularly attached to one of their Pokemon, but it's weird when you're seeing characters who have clearly been Pokemon trainers for decedes and have two Growlithe to show for it while you've got a full team with dozens shoved in a box somewhere.
Funny enough, it has me thinking of Monster Rancher, which actually makes you develop more of a connection with your monster for a specific reason - you take care of each one individually, invest in it as it grows and ages, and eventually watch it die (provided you don't fuse it or something).
Funny enough, it has me thinking of Monster Rancher, which actually makes you develop more of a connection with your monster for a specific reason - you take care of each one individually, invest in it as it grows and ages, and eventually watch it die (provided you don't fuse it or something).
he was cool in the anime though
this is how he dies
IMO He was somehow even worse in the anime. Theres a backstory scene where Lysandre and some other scientists offer aid to homeless people, and the homeless people got needy, so Lysandre decides that the world needs to be purged. Like, you're just gonna go zero to a thousand like that?
There's plenty smartly written media intended for all ages
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Sun/Moon and especially Black/White were way better with their story than X/Y.
yeah i have seen people that symphatize with Xenoblade 2 villains
What's funny is that I literally just finished watching the XY anime a few hours ago and man. If the games' Team Flare stuff was even half as genuinely decent as the show's it would have been fine.
That's cool, dude, I'm glad you've shown me your style, dude, I'm gonna go out and find that manga and read it to the rhythm of my own beat, and then I'm gonna go dancing with Serena,
dude,
Say what you will about Kingdom Hearts, I at least understood the villain's motives. I couldn't even tell Lysandre was necessarily even the villain until he summoned the Ultimate Weapon
Do you just want to see your alert bell ring? Are you feeling lonely?
Yeah, X&Y are astonishingly awful with their writing. It was real disappointing going to that after the Black and White games. I had hoped a 3rd version would come out to remedy it somewhat but nah.
I'm so confused by people saying SuMo is worse. Like, SuMo has an actual plot and character development? And an actually well-established setting? X/Y has like a sequence of events that come, for the most part, out of nowhere and literally none of the characters actually change (most of them are barely even characters).
I'll never understand why people keep looking for interesting plots and deep characters, in a Pokémon game out of all things, but I like that at least they try to make each villain's motives different. And I mean, it's got to be ridiculous in order to avoid kids saying "hey, this guy's got a point..." lol
I loved battling with the 3D functionality, I don't know why people kept it turned off.
I loved battling with the 3D functionality, I don't know why people kept it turned off.