It's less than 60, which is what they need to unilaterally pass most legislation.
Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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Abortion funds in states with trigger bans and pre-Roe bans
Shared these resources on Twitter, but felt I should share them here too.
Abortion funds in states with trigger bans and pre-Roe bans.
Local:
Arkansas Abortion Support (I put $50 towards this one)
Kentucky Health Justice Network Inc
Mississippi Reproductive Freedom Fund
Missouri Abortion Fund
North Dakota Women in Need Abortion Access Fund
Louisiana New Orleans Abortion Fund
Wyoming Chelsea's Fund
Oklahoma Roe Fund
Utah Abortion Fund
There's also:
Northwest Abortion Access Fund
Black Feminists Fighting Abortion Bans and Advancing Reproductive Justice
Donate to Abortion Funds and Pro-Choice Groups
National Network of Abortion Funds
And many more places to donate to in the thread.
Safe, at-home medical abortions.
AidAccess
Abortion funds in states with trigger bans and pre-Roe bans.
Local:
Arkansas Abortion Support (I put $50 towards this one)
Kentucky Health Justice Network Inc
Mississippi Reproductive Freedom Fund
Missouri Abortion Fund
North Dakota Women in Need Abortion Access Fund
Louisiana New Orleans Abortion Fund
Wyoming Chelsea's Fund
Oklahoma Roe Fund
Utah Abortion Fund
There's also:
Northwest Abortion Access Fund
Black Feminists Fighting Abortion Bans and Advancing Reproductive Justice
Donate to Abortion Funds and Pro-Choice Groups
National Network of Abortion Funds
And many more places to donate to in the thread.
Safe, at-home medical abortions.
AidAccess
I don't think anybody here is saying voting is gonna solve this shit but that doesn't mean it's not fucking important.
This, being the subject of this thread? Not losing those Senate elections in 2014 would have got Garland on the bench, not electing Trump in 2016 would have kept his three appointments off. Hell, Hillary wining would have given us a liberal Supreme Court for the first time in 45 years.
It's very easy to see how voting could have stopped "this."
Conservatism inevitably leads to failure and refusal to survive and adapt as a society - it's like a huge death cult where people see solutions to existential problems as somehow even more dangerous than those problems because it challenges their worldview and they're incapable of self-reflection.
In the face of abortion rights getting rolled back, only thing we can do as a society is to fight it in the streets and at the voting booths.
Remember that they're actually a minority of the population - a very loud one, but by no means do they have a mandate to rollback civil rights that the majority of people agree to keep.
In the face of abortion rights getting rolled back, only thing we can do as a society is to fight it in the streets and at the voting booths.
Remember that they're actually a minority of the population - a very loud one, but by no means do they have a mandate to rollback civil rights that the majority of people agree to keep.
This is an awesome resource post and should ideally be tagged in the OP and threadmarked. You rock, SpaceCadetKeon!
Here's one more...
I will now go back into hiding.
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Y'all going in on voting and Dems as opposed to the line we let slide. Gamergate into Trumpism into a resurgent online right indoctrination pipeline. There's talk of boomers but we're in the millennials and gen Z stage of alt-right success stories. And by some of the terms thrown around during political discussion even by those proclaiming to be leftists its fascinating to see right wing terms and critiques thrown around and an insistence that once America understands class of course they would unite and stop hating people who are marginally 'different' (because queer people, pocs etc…been here and American forever). Everyone asks like this is some vague threat when for many its 'dad'.
Only way out of this tbh is shame. But no one treats 'Awww shucks' GOP voters like the fascists they are, its always 'They are one good conversation from turning from a bigot into a Progressive warrior'.
Its a party full of throwing stones and hiding hands when it comes to consequences and it works because we let them. Never Trumpers, 'fiscal republican' etc…its the same as neo-nazi at this point considering the stakes. Its must be nice to vote 'less regulation because i have a small business' and shrug and have a society give you plausible deniability at that same vote being anti-gay
Only way out of this tbh is shame. But no one treats 'Awww shucks' GOP voters like the fascists they are, its always 'They are one good conversation from turning from a bigot into a Progressive warrior'.
Its a party full of throwing stones and hiding hands when it comes to consequences and it works because we let them. Never Trumpers, 'fiscal republican' etc…its the same as neo-nazi at this point considering the stakes. Its must be nice to vote 'less regulation because i have a small business' and shrug and have a society give you plausible deniability at that same vote being anti-gay
"It's unbelievable, I've been a conservative my whole life, and I never thought they'd actually take away MY rights as a woman like this…"
"So will you be voting for the Republicans in the mid-term then?
"…sure, I guess."
Kind of bothered that a lot of the reporting focuses on how unprecedented the leak is. This reeks of civility before anything else.
The legacy of Trump shooting USA decades back by religious extremism. These last months has just been constant attacks on LGBTQ rights and abortion rights in republican states, and it was clear something like this was bound to happen. Really worrisome development.
How do they solve this? By having the fucking balls to actually getting rid of the filibuster. But they won't do it because of decorum or whatever nonsense reasons they give. Without the filibuster in play things could get passed with 50 votes.
I feel so fucking helpless. It's insane the slow coup that has happened and has been allowed to happen over the course of a decade. Changing voting laws, jerrymandering, over turning roe. That a minority in this country can control the vast majority is so fucking insane.
What can we even do? We can walk out of work but who can fucking afford that. They've made sure the we are too poor to protest in vast numbers. It was part of the plan.
What can we even do? We can walk out of work but who can fucking afford that. They've made sure the we are too poor to protest in vast numbers. It was part of the plan.
That's absolutely what it is. The country has a habit of focusing on the act that reveals the whole story rather than the whole story because then they'd have to cop to the fact that they helped get us to this point in the first place thanks to the false premise that all ideals are equally valid.
That's definitely the whole point of what they're doing. It's so fucking transparent.
mostly because the lede here has been a foregone conclusion since RBG died. we already knew RvW was getting repealed, the leak is unexpected and "unprecedented," and a fresh angle for news outlets to take
Essentially. Judges basically make laws from the bench.
Agreed. It's okay to point out the leak is unprecedented but who gives a fuck right now when folks are going to lose their right to an abortion.
three branches of us government:
legislative branch (congress) has the power to create laws. they are either created in the house of representatives and go to the senate or they are created in the senate and go to the house, but both chambers of congress need to vote for the law.
executive branch (in this case, the president), has the power to sign law or veto law. if a law is signed, then it becomes law of the land. if it is vetoed, then congress can still vote to override the veto, but they need supermajorities to do it. overriding vetoes basically never happens.
judicial branch (courts) interpret the law and whether it is in adherence with the constitution. they're supposed to make sure laws are not unconstitutional.
this is basically the us government at the state level as well as the federal level. except at the state level there are governors, state legislatures, state supreme courts, etc, to interpret a state's constitution. whenever you hear 'states rights', it's
all this shit was basically devised in the late 1780s through the early 1800s with the idea of judicial review - the whole interpretation thing itself, not explicit in the constitution. the supreme court kinda just did it for a case, and no one challenged it, and it stuck.
instead of a country like france or spain or germany that had to go through growing pains for 200 years and have all come up with new constitutions in the last 80 years or so, america's been riding on what some 18th century old white dudes thought up.
also: the way us supreme court justices (and judges) are elected are through appointments. and they're lifetime appointments. the president makes the recommendation and the senate votes on them. that's why we still have clarence thomas, because of the days of george hw bush's 1989-1993 administration.
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I'm not from the United States, but the Supreme Court seems to test if laws are in accordance with the constitution. This is a good system that strengthens the rule of law, but only if the Court is unbiased. The US Court is definitely biased though. Germany has a similar system I think.
I understand the Supreme Court/Constitutional/Whatever it's called in every country system, what surprises me is that something as important as the right to abortion was approved in a trial, what surprises me is that something as important as the right to abortion was approved in a trial, that Roe vs. Wade.
Women's rights first on the chopping block first, then it'll be LGBT rights (say goodbye to any employment protections, anti-discrimination laws, and the right to marry), then minority rights (see previous section, don't think interracial marriage is safe from these ideologues), etc.
The worst part is there's nothing that can be done about this. The only solution is to pack the courts and the Democratic Establishment have made clear that's not on the table.
The Fundamentalist Right won, and the Centre-Left refuses to fight back.
They are absolutely the problem.
Do you think the GOP are going to stand up for the rights of the marginalised? Do you think the GOP are going to fight for abortion rights, LGBT rights, minority rights?
Because I don't think they will.
That leaves the Democrats, and they have singularly failed, while controlling all three branches of the American government, to do jack shit about any of these issues. No new legislation. No court packing. Nothing that would protect women or minorities from this totally predictable and very obvious assault by fundamentalist ideologues.
The worst part is there's nothing that can be done about this. The only solution is to pack the courts and the Democratic Establishment have made clear that's not on the table.
The Fundamentalist Right won, and the Centre-Left refuses to fight back.
They are absolutely the problem.
Do you think the GOP are going to stand up for the rights of the marginalised? Do you think the GOP are going to fight for abortion rights, LGBT rights, minority rights?
Because I don't think they will.
That leaves the Democrats, and they have singularly failed, while controlling all three branches of the American government, to do jack shit about any of these issues. No new legislation. No court packing. Nothing that would protect women or minorities from this totally predictable and very obvious assault by fundamentalist ideologues.
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I don't think they'll revisit Bostock, which gave LGBTQ+ folks employment protections. It was 6-3 with almost the same Court, just replacing RBG with Barrett. It would still be a 5-4 decision in favor of LGBTQ+ employment protections.
The rest is absolutely on the table.
forgot he also said Roe needed to be codified so that's two Democratic Presidents in a row that apparently need civics lessons according to a lot of people in this thread
you can see why people are cynical about this stuff
I'm so glad I'm getting my wife out of South Dakota at the end of the month and getting her out here to California (we've been separated due to me heading back home for a job and Iwas staying with my parentsfor few months). We may be in a conservative part of California (Lassen), but it's still better then South Dakota.
She's needs birth control to help control her periods, and I don't know what we're going to do if the assholes in the Supreme Court take away her ability to get them.
To say I'm scared is a massive understatement.
I know it's not directly related to the topic at hand, but in a way it is and I haven't been able to fall asleep (which is going to make work really fun today).
She's needs birth control to help control her periods, and I don't know what we're going to do if the assholes in the Supreme Court take away her ability to get them.
To say I'm scared is a massive understatement.
I know it's not directly related to the topic at hand, but in a way it is and I haven't been able to fall asleep (which is going to make work really fun today).
This makes absolutely zero sense… it's not the 50 republicans and 2 Dems fault for blocking every single piece of progressive legislation, it's the 48 Dems trying to get it passed? It's Biden's fault for not having the power to stack the Supreme Court on his own? Okay.
Horrible. "It's time we turn over your human rights to the fascist uprising that's being elected in your local, gerrymandered elections" is basically their opinion. This only furthers the divide in America, and it will only continue. And yes, there is absolutely a problem with fascism in America. Reagan and Trump lead the charge, and the republicans fell in line. At some point the federal government should be protecting the people from themselves.
My mom keeps always asks me about moving to Florida to be closer to her. I tell her how many basic human rights I would lose moving from NY to Florida. Add one to the list.
My mom keeps always asks me about moving to Florida to be closer to her. I tell her how many basic human rights I would lose moving from NY to Florida. Add one to the list.
Who didn't even win the popular vote. A minority of voters wanted him for president, which makes it even more absurd.
You think there are 48 Dems in the Senate actively trying to fix this? Because fixing this means packing the the Supreme Court.
You think Biden is actively trying to pack the Supreme Court?
Again: The Dems control all three branches of the American Government. They decide the business of the day.
I don't see Biden nominating a new Supreme Court Justice every day.
I don't see Dick Durbin holding confirmation hearings for those nominees every day.
I don't see Chuck Schumer holding floor votes in the Senate to confirm those nominees every day.
These are all things within the Democrats power. They are choosing not to have these fights because they think they will lose. Well guess what: They are losing anyway, but it's the women and marginalised people's of America who will suffer the consequences.
I'm going to preface my comment by pointing out I'm not american, and not a woman.
The political news coming from the usa over the past 6 years has been insane and exhausting to be honest..
But if this news turns out to be real, I hope we will finally see massive protests all over the country. And I mean massive, everything stops right now massive. This is insane, this is evil, this can not be tolerated.. This makes me so mad, and so sad. I'm sorry..
The political news coming from the usa over the past 6 years has been insane and exhausting to be honest..
But if this news turns out to be real, I hope we will finally see massive protests all over the country. And I mean massive, everything stops right now massive. This is insane, this is evil, this can not be tolerated.. This makes me so mad, and so sad. I'm sorry..
'sin'
So much for separation of church and state. Though the blinders for that got ripped off long ago for anyone with a functioning brain.
Honestly, the Democrats have only one option and that's to pack the courts and if you're not gonna do that I have a real hard time ever voting for them again
What's even more aggravating is that those same old white dudes actually wrote in to have Constitutional Conventions in order to update or rewrite the constitution to ensure it changed with the times. But no, we got a whole section of the population that treat it as some sort of written in stone commandment that should not be changed, and if you suggest there should be a constitutional congress, then you're an un-American commie or some shit.
Eh, I don't think the onus isn't on the people calling this out for the bullshit it is, to also offer solutions.
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Then enjoy cutting off your nose to spite your face there.
Now that I've had time to listen to several experts discuss this I'm definitely now in the camp that believes it was someone connected to one of the conservative justices that leaked this. Most likely Roberts.
Use this leak as a trial balloon to gauge the public reaction which will then convince one of Kavanaugh or Barrett to back down a bit by agreeing to a 15 week ban rather than a total ban. They'll then hope that the majority of Americans would be okay with that because it's not as extreme as the initial leak.
Use this leak as a trial balloon to gauge the public reaction which will then convince one of Kavanaugh or Barrett to back down a bit by agreeing to a 15 week ban rather than a total ban. They'll then hope that the majority of Americans would be okay with that because it's not as extreme as the initial leak.
I mean, they fucked around and found out when it comes to this.
As if the Supreme Court decision itself wasn't going to tear apart the fabric of the institution that had at best been seriously wounded and created a near inexhaustible skepticism about the court's role in the US. Now, the court is so partisan you've effectively detonated a core institution of the US that people don't have any recourse on. Like, we're about to get into some potentially really crazy territory if people decide this was the last straw.
Which, unfortunately, the past 14 years have shown me that a large enough, geographically placed minority with majority rights do not care and the other half talks a bigger game while losing the momentum on relevant movements such as climate change, wall street, January 6th, failing to materialize police reform and healthcare reform in 2020 despite having the fuses lit on bigger reforms. There's a lot of talk about pushing back and even protests, but they're increasingly showing to be ineffective and people just do the usual accept this is the situation and move on despite knowing the system is broken and salvageable at this point...
I mean, this might manage to propel Dems to holding on to the trifecta with enough sustained backlash... but it's hard to see what else tangibly is going to come of this too and I suspect Blue and Red states will just be even further divided with conservative lawmakers presumably calling for insane border laws about pregnant women going to Illinois and California from surrounding states or some crazy shit.
I don't know if you call what we have now controlling the Senate. Its a shitty consolation prize for underestimating how entrenched Trumpism was when we were supposed to have a clear senate majority: now we need to rely on a West Virginia Senator to pass far leftist ideas like child tax credits, lol.
I will say Sinema does feel like an unforced error considering there were other valid D candidates who could have had her slot.
This conversation is a waste of time. You, clearly, have absolutely no idea how the US government functions. You don't seem to understand that Democrats do not have any control over the Senate unless all 50 democrats are on board. There are two that refuse to join the other 48. Hell, that would be fine if we could get 2 (out of 50) republicans on board instead. Anyway, I'm out. Not going to spend anymore time trying to explain this.
Why bother to hide your theocratic bent when everything tells you you're winning your religious war.
The Democrats haven't controlled all three branches of government since the 70s.
If you mean 2 branches of the government including both houses of the legislature, a bare majority doesn't get you anything.
"The Democrats have failed us" is exactly the rhetoric that suppressed turnout in 2016 and allowed this to happen. It's bullshit to lead with that now.
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The Senate and Presidency are both gerrymandered by stupid fucking arbitrary state lines. The Electoral College is complete bullshit and the 50 Democratic Senators represent 40 million more Americans than the 50 Republican Senators do.
As always thank you for being the voice of reason in a sea of shit.
Voting zealots are always pressed to utter their dogma to an already participating audience but can't be arsed to talk to their racist ass family members who more than likely are in positions of power.
Where these full throated defenses of Democrats at the federal level fall apart is that we can actually look at the state level party apparatus in places where they have overwhelming majority control and see, just like at the federal level, the Democratic Party is almost universally unwilling to push for the sorts of necessary transformative changes needed to meet the moment and as such, what tends to happen is institutional corruption remains unchecked or uncorrected on a structural level.
Police reform is a perfect example, where instead of meeting the moment of the call for transformative change, the party simply paralyzed itself by punching left and running to the right and largely doing nothing. Which is basically the blueprint for how every major issue gets dealt with by this party. While the core leadership structure turns a blind eye and refused to take a hard position in favor of advancing a populist or transformative agenda, so things just die out.
Failing to meet the moment with the necessary transformative change and instead solidify the status quo is essentially the story of the modern Democratic Party. And frankly, no I don't really think even with 63 senators, the party would do anything truly transformative either. And that's a disturbing situation because it basically means the only viable opposition party in America is essentially determined to run back the playbook of SPD party of the 1920's in Germany, and other center-left coalition parties that got run over by fascists willing to go to the extremes necessary to secure power while they whined about process, punched to their left, and had every excuse for why they simply couldn't have done anything differently.
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The Electoral College is indeed stupid but state lines aren't being redrawn for gerrymandering purposes.