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Dragonyeuw

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Nov 4, 2017
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Umm, even when I buy physical I'm usually downloading extremely large day 1 patches. Physical hardly helps the data cap at all.

Also, selling used games outside of Gamestop online isn't new, people been doing that for as long as games existed, Facebook and craiglist isn't the problem. Digital games is the problem, much like digital movies and music killed physical dedicated stores in those markets.

Digital is a two-fold problem for GS, you lose the new sale, and then you lose the used sell.

People saying it's Gamestops practices is why they are failing is ignoring the fact that Gamestop's practiced go as far back as Gamestop ever existed. Protection, pre-order, used prices, trade-in prices? That's always been there. You can go back a decade on the internet and find people bitching about those things. That's not why they are dying.

Gamestop is a dead man walking. There's nothing they can do to stop the inevitable.

I'm not arguing that physical isn't becoming more of an authentication tool with all the patches, and physical may indeed become a relic, but not a few years from now as you said. Perhaps you could define what you mean by a physical dying in a 'few years'. To me that suggests sometime in the next 5 years, and that's not happening. Nor in the next ten. But I'll await your clarification.

Yes, selling used games outside a dedicated store isn't new. The online marketplace has merely allowed you to cast your net wider than before. There's always a few timewasters but for the most part I've had very little trouble using facebook as a means to sell my games and get market value for them. But when you say physical will be dead in a few years, perhaps I'm taking you too literally because I can still readily buy physical media off amazon and that will continue well into the future. Bestbuy and Target still have movie sections, albeit with smaller footprints in their stores. But 'dead' to me says that physical media will stop being printed entirely, and in a few years? Again, perhaps I'm taking you too literally and you only mean that physical will become highly niche. Which, I agree with if that's what you mean by 'dead'.

Yes, people have long bitched about Gamestop's practices. That's nothing new under the sun. But the inevitability of digital as well as the online resell marketplace have reduced the need for Gamestop to exist. I 'think' we agree on that. Their policies merely exasperate their issues, but if the environment was there to bypass Gamestop a decade ago, people would have. The time is now.
 
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NervousXtian

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not arguing that physical isn't becoming more of an authentication tool with all the patches, and physical may indeed become a relic, but not a few years from now as you said. Perhaps you could define what you mean by a physical dying in a 'few years'. To me that suggests sometime in the next 5 years, and that's not happening. Nor in the next ten. But I'll await your clarification.

Yes, selling used games outside a dedicated store isn't new. The online marketplace has merely allowed you to cast your net wider than before. There's always a few timewasters but for the most part I've had very little trouble using facebook as a means to sell my games and get market value for them. But when you say physical will be dead in a few years, perhaps I'm taking you too literally because I can still readily buy physical media off amazon and that will continue well into the future. Bestbuy and Target still have movie sections, albeit with smaller footprints in their stores. But 'dead' to me says that physical media will stop being printed entirely, and in a few years? Again, perhaps I'm taking you too literally and you only mean that physical will become highly niche. Which, I agree with if that's what you mean by 'dead'.

Yes, people have long bitched about Gamestop's practices. That's nothing new under the sun. But the inevitability of digital as well as the online resell marketplace have reduced the need for Gamestop to exist. I 'think' we agree on that. Their policies nearly exasperate their issues, but if the environment was there to bypass Gamestop a decade ago, people would have. The time is now.

You can still buy DVDs, Blu-Rays and CD's. Dead doesn't mean it's not available at all.. it just means it becomes to the point of not being worth floorspace at retail in the long term. Dead as in no longer supporting dedicated store fronts. Dead in as more people will consume games digitally than physically in the coming future.

Dead doesn't mean you can't buy them at all.
 

Dragonyeuw

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Nov 4, 2017
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You can still buy DVDs, Blu-Rays and CD's. Dead doesn't mean it's not available at all.. it just means it becomes to the point of not being worth floorspace at retail in the long term. Dead as in no longer supporting dedicated store fronts. Dead in as more people will consume games digitally than physically in the coming future.

Dead doesn't mean you can't buy them at all.

So niche, as I said above. What is your definition of a 'few years''? Stores still dedicate shelf space to physical movies and games, albeit less than some years ago. When do you foresee not being able to walk into a Best buy, Target or Walmart and not being able to pick up a physical game?
 

SimonM7

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sweden
Six years ago I was holiday shopping and popped in at a gamestop to buy a steam wallet card - the only product they can't conceivably hike up the price of. I overheard a mother at the counter, asking to buy a game for her son. She was holding a case from the new releases shelf, priced 699 SEK. The store clerk (of course) informed her that she could buy it used, for "just 599 SEK".

From every single Swedish online video game retailer, the game was priced 499 SEK *new*.

She said "oh..." and paused, indicating that money was definitely enough of an issue to contemplate a used christmas present, and I had to wrestle myself to not intervene.

The fact that there's "morale" enough left to dwindle at Gamestop is the most surprising thing about this news to me.
 

cowbanana

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Feb 2, 2018
13,783
a Socialist Utopia
Six years ago I was holiday shopping and popped in at a gamestop to buy a steam wallet card - the only product they can't conceivably hike up the price of. I overheard a mother at the counter, asking to buy a game for her son. She was holding a case from the new releases shelf, priced 699 SEK. The store clerk (of course) informed her that she could buy it used, for "just 599 SEK".

From every single Swedish online video game retailer, the game was priced 499 SEK *new*.

She said "oh..." and paused, indicating that money was definitely enough of an issue to contemplate a used christmas present, and I had to wrestle myself to not intervene.

The fact that there's "morale" enough left to dwindle at Gamestop is the most surprising thing about this news to me.

I honestly don't understand how Gamestop stores continue to exist here in Denmark as the situation is, of course, very similar to what you describe. Massively overpriced new games, compared to ordering physical games online from Elgiganten, Coolshop or any of the other stores that operate online. Used games at Gamestop are usually more expensive than buying a new game online with free shipping and next day delivery in your mailbox. Most small towns with roughly 15k+ residents and upwards have a Gamestop. I honestly think that they must live off a huge number of uninformed people, as it makes absolutely no sense to shop there at all. I like physical media, but I'd never even consider buying anything from Gamestop.
 

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So niche, as I said above. What is your definition of a 'few years''? Stores still dedicate shelf space to physical movies and games, albeit less than some years ago. When do you foresee not being able to walk into a Best buy, Target or Walmart and not being able to pick up a physical game?

When the Boomers, gen x, and old-minded millennials die out.
 

NervousXtian

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Oct 27, 2017
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So niche, as I said above. What is your definition of a 'few years''? Stores still dedicate shelf space to physical movies and games, albeit less than some years ago. When do you foresee not being able to walk into a Best buy, Target or Walmart and not being able to pick up a physical game?

I think it'll go to more what they did with CD's.. only stocking bigger titles and new titles that recently came out... not holding a lot of back catalog. And 5 to 6 years.
 

RoninChaos

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Oct 26, 2017
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They lie, cheat, and steal from their customers, treat their employees even worse than their customers, have the most expensive games of all the major retailers, They went from the only source of niche physical games to one of many, and one that honestly doesn't always carry that great of a stock of new product. They failed to get into phones, failed to make a digital storefront, failed to make a good online store for their vast inventory of old games. They've done nothing but spit on their most loyal employees and customers and have had no answers for the big box retailers who see video games as nothing more than a tool to bring feet into the building, let alone Amazon.

They have no answer to the fact that most retail games don't hold their value for more than a few weeks besides some limited exceptions. Big games come out all the time, go on sale for 33% off within weeks, are 50% in months, and66-75% off in six months to a year. Routinely. Digital has made retail games hold their value for much shorter periods of time. Why oh why would you ever buy a used game for 25 when you can get it new, door to door from Amazon or Best Buy or Target or what have you for 20. Why would you put up with the hard sell when their prices are the worst in the business? They have deals and they have an onsite inventory that can sometimes really help you out if you're willing to look around and play in the used market. Or you could sit on your ass at home and get the game digitally or physically for about the same price. Not giving 10% back on used games anymore, what the hell are they even thinking with this.

Hell they are now de facto the worst place in the US to get new release Switch games. Even the Eshop gives you back at least 5% on purchases, sometimes 10%! Walmart and Target give you ten percent off. Amazon will pricematch from time to time, and Best Buy still has deals when they can manage it. And you know what? None of those other places rely on games to drive business.

To your point, Gamestop's main failing is they treat their main product, games, like shit. I've posted about this at length before so I won't go into it again but it's a problem that's only only gotten worse at GameStop. Now most stores don't have new copies of ANYTHING if you didn't preorder. I bet that royally fucked them this Christmas.

Thing is, I don't want them to go out of business but it seems like the people at the top would rather do stupid shit like they are now than adapt and change. And they should have seen this coming five years ago. Instead, they doubled down on being antagonistic to their customers.