I'm sure Arcade and Stadia find their own audiences and levels of success, no doubt, but threat? Nah. They're more like accompaniments than a threat.
Post-Google and Apple gaming service announcements, do you still think Sony/MS/Nintendo are in trouble?
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Neither Stadia or Apple Arcade can replace what Sony/MS/Nintendo offer, so i don´t see the problem. The first is streaming only and the second centered around Apple platforms, so they are pretty limited in scope compared with the others, which offer far more (Sony has streaming + digital + retail, MS game pass...)
Microsoft and Sony are in incredible positions to pivot. Nintendo would be also if they got with the times. Sony and Microsoft are already riding the wave of the future.
No info whatsoever of price/subscription model for both services.
And Nintendo!?
And Nintendo!?
I'm pretty convinced Google won't stick to stadia over the long term. It takes generations to work out the kinks in the hardware console space and while Google may be able to move faster on the software-side they also have to worry about infrastructure. I don't see them having them that kind of patience - cuts to the Pixelbook and Google Fiber being to very recent examples.
Apple is pretty happy with their space in mobile gaming, and this announcement seems to be doubling down on it. I could see Nintendo creating software specifically for it. I don't think traditional console makers have to worry as long as there is a market for traditional console games.
Apple is pretty happy with their space in mobile gaming, and this announcement seems to be doubling down on it. I could see Nintendo creating software specifically for it. I don't think traditional console makers have to worry as long as there is a market for traditional console games.
the cool thing with those threads is that now everyone can experience the wonderful "DOOMED" narrative no matter the console they own
LMK when Apple and Google produce games like Spider-Man, Yakuza, and Ghosts of Tushima. Then we'll talk.
For the next 3-4 years nah no problems at all. The question is a generational one. Kids who are 2-5 years old now, as they ease into gaming, will they still want consoles? Will they want specific ones? Who knows, its really hard to tell what the game landscape will be in 5 years. I think its safe to assume Nintendo is pretty safe, they have their own little bubble and they are doing their own thing. Its unlikely Nintendo will ever double their customer base or anything like that.
Sony and Microsoft, I dunno. Google and Apple definitely want a part of their customer base, its just completely up in the air whether people will see a reason to switch or not. And its not a all or nothing kinda thing, but probably more insidious: you sub to one of their streaming services, and still have your consoles. But over the years you play more on the stream platforms and less on a console. And when time comes for next gen, you decide to just stick with streaming...
Sony and Microsoft, I dunno. Google and Apple definitely want a part of their customer base, its just completely up in the air whether people will see a reason to switch or not. And its not a all or nothing kinda thing, but probably more insidious: you sub to one of their streaming services, and still have your consoles. But over the years you play more on the stream platforms and less on a console. And when time comes for next gen, you decide to just stick with streaming...
Not in the slightest. A full streaming future has many more dependencies than the current setup. Which works quite well for most. Outside massive installs/patches/updates. But streaming largely shares the common issue of bandwidth for many people.
Oh they're very real gamers who largely (Some do not) encourage terrible industry practices and throw inordinate amount of cash at sub par offerings. Is this more appropriate. Or did you just not want people to criticize mobile games? Lol. Because it's gonna happen whether people say they're real gamers or not.
Apple Arcade isn't really a direct competitor because mobile gaming is pretty much its own separate thing. I don't see console gamers switching to Apple Arcade. Stadia could become serious competition in a few years but I don't think we'll really be able to judge that until Sony and Microsoft reveal their next gen plans.
Well we haven't seen what Sony/MS will be selling for the next several years to complete with these as the PS4 and Xbox One fade away. So I dunno. Nintendo are in a good moment, though how long the Switch will last and what will follow it is still unknown, though I don't think Nintendo fear subscription services for 3rd party games considering they don't even rely on more tangible 3rd party games to begin with.
The two can co-exist just fine, but they are aimed at very different audiences. You won't find the Division 2 on Apple Arcade, and that's fine, it's a different demographic and for that reason I don't think it competes with Sony/MS, where Stadia (i hate the name) seems more of a direct competitor.
The Apple announcement seems no more relevant to the console platforms than mobile gaming has or hasn't already been.
It seems like Apple's take on what Amazon did with that storefront which renumerated devs based on time spent in app, no IAP etc.
I don't think it'll be attracting 'console' games.
It seems like Apple's take on what Amazon did with that storefront which renumerated devs based on time spent in app, no IAP etc.
I don't think it'll be attracting 'console' games.
Apple's focus is on mobile games with their subscription service. It just allows those devs that release paid games to have more of a chance in the mobile market so heavily influenced by F2P games.
Google is focused on streaming games with their service with no download play from the looks of it.
Nintendo/Sony/MS shouldn't be worried. It's just another option for the market. They are the physical/local media bearers (along with PC).
Google is focused on streaming games with their service with no download play from the looks of it.
Nintendo/Sony/MS shouldn't be worried. It's just another option for the market. They are the physical/local media bearers (along with PC).
I don't think they were or are in any trouble. However, Apple is going for exclusive and Stadia will too, so I hope we won't need a lot of subs to be able to enjoy all the games we want to, because that would be really bad. I'm more concerned about us being in trouble.
Nah. Stadia seems like an industry changing product. Sony needs to keep doing what they are doing, and keep making great content. Nintendo always manages to stay competitive. Xbox needs new leadership, thankfully, Satya Nadella is leading the MS ship.
Too soon to tell...
Too soon to tell...
They were never in trouble. Maybe certain trends will require them to adjust but they've continuously shown the ability to do just that
Why would it hurt it? If anything, I'd imagine Apple Arcade would only help it out as opposed to hurting it as there'd be another platform with a similar level of power to develop for
Apple and Google are just starting, give them five years to build out and see where everyone stands.
Sony is the only one that is in danger of anything because they lack any sort of infrastructure. Nintendo may lack as well, but they're the bell of the ball. They're the disney caliber level of well known characters that can go anywhere and be courted to. Any of the services would be lucky to have them. Sony doesn't have the pedigree to pull that off.
Sony is the only one that is in danger of anything because they lack any sort of infrastructure. Nintendo may lack as well, but they're the bell of the ball. They're the disney caliber level of well known characters that can go anywhere and be courted to. Any of the services would be lucky to have them. Sony doesn't have the pedigree to pull that off.
Sony has already dabbled in streaming and subscription services for years. Microsoft has a great subscription service that's doing well for them and they're hyping up the rollout of their streaming service. Both of them have an enormous advantage over the newcomers as far as content is concerned. Nintendo is Nintendo. If it becomes apparent that they can't survive without joining the trend, they'll easily find a willing host or partner.
The Apple thing doesn't really register and I think a positive outcome for Google would be to eventually lease out their infrastructure to a large content publisher . I think there might be room for Google and Apple to do well, but I don't see them as threats to usurp the current hierarchy.
The Apple thing doesn't really register and I think a positive outcome for Google would be to eventually lease out their infrastructure to a large content publisher . I think there might be room for Google and Apple to do well, but I don't see them as threats to usurp the current hierarchy.
