Hopefully they play along that he is being deported and he really gets a new identity.
He can't stay in Brentwood now. He's a marked target.
ProPublica - Teenager who informed on MS-13 to Police is Slated for Deportation (and Certain Death)
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Hopefully they play along that he is being deported and he really gets a new identity.
He can't stay in Brentwood now. He's a marked target.
I lived in Nassau County, and the difference between Republicans in both counties is quite scary. On top of the issues our nation already face with gang violence and illegal immigration, this is another example of the rotten treatment minorities face with law enforcement. I have friends in Suffolk, and many of them have been complaining of the county being dumped with illegal immigrants with limited English fluency, poor education, and low skills for employment that they have to deal with the consequences regarding health care, education, social services, and crime. It is a hotbed of a lot of problems with immigration, and the changing ethnic and racial background of an overwhelmingly Caucasian and wealthy county.
Do we have any indication what El Salvador's position is on this? Do they have the ability to put Henry under effective protective custody?
Suffolk County has plenty of poor communities. You have small pockets of nice communities but the real wealth is on the North shore of Nassau and the north and south forks (Hamptons)
Random suburb in random state isn't a nice middle class neighborhood.
These are good points, thanks. Sad that he had a chance and got driven back into that shit.
if, if , if. it's not so simple to just uproot specially if you are new to the country.
yes, they did. that's how gangs initiate their members. they take them very young. you don't expect a 12 year old to make right decisions all the time do you?
we are not "bringing "gang members over to the USA.
Much the same regarding Nassau County and our poorer communities, but never mention that too loud. Regardless, they are hating the changing face of their communities and results that come with it.
It is... and it isn't. This is a LOADED statement, an when you look at the history of some of these gangs, you'll see that this is not always true. Sometimes it's fucking HARD to stay out of gangs.
This is a tough one. I find it hard to believe his reasoning for moving to the US, and falling back into the gang. I'm a bit conflicted, seeing as he was essentially born into this life, but I think his true intentions changed too late, and only when things weren't going his way. It doesn't seem like he is taking responsibility for his actions, and instead explaining how he was under duress. Henry informing the gang of the girl flashing hand symbols doesn't sit well with me either, considering how that played out.
The consequence for Henry is extreme, and doesn't lend itself to others coming forward in the future.
The consequence for Henry is extreme, and doesn't lend itself to others coming forward in the future.
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He was forced to rejoin the gang. The penalty for leaving the gang is death, and if he didn't start running with the gang again he would die.
So, in such a violent culture, do you really believe that someone made an anonymous threat via phone which prompted him to leave and move to a region where MS13 was well established?
Everything that goes wrong is this story isn't his fault from his perspective, and I don't believe that.
Edit: Also, if he was already in the gang for life, why was he given a 13 second initiation beating in the forest? Change a few details in this story and it sure paints a different picture.
Edit2: To be clear, I don't want him to face the consequences, I'm just questioning the story.
If El Salvador wants to save the kid they should send him to another country tbh.
Kid is probably safer without El Salvador help tbh, somebody will rat him out for sure.
He moved to where his parents (and then uncle) were. He was given the beating because he hadn't reported in to the gang after moving there. Not saying you can't question it, but it does explain those points.
Him reporting on the girl making hand signs thing (and threatening other students) doesn't sit well with me either, but even the story says he did see rejoining the gang partially as a relief (at least at first)- it's not exactly hiding that part of his feelings or some of the things he did.
This is a depressing read before work.
It's just sad situations like this exist. I am not rich but I was lucky to grow up in a neighbourhood that didn't have things like this.
It's just sad situations like this exist. I am not rich but I was lucky to grow up in a neighbourhood that didn't have things like this.
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Have an update to the story
Teenage MS-13 Gang Informant Heads Into Final Asylum Hearing (Slightly Misleading, if only due to the Immigration Court judge's decision)
Basically, Henry's decision to get his story out there worked and might have bought himself the support he needs preserve his asylum status. It also shamed his handler (mentioned in the previous story) into testifying on his behalf, and won him a lot of support across the country. However, his status is still up in the air and will remain so until May, and he continues to live in detention along other suspected MS-13 members. He fears being moved into protective custody, since then the MS-13 members in detention will know that he was a traitor for a fact.
It sounds like his lawyer is pretty solid, since he has a few contingencies lined up in case the immigration court judge rules against them in May.
Teenage MS-13 Gang Informant Heads Into Final Asylum Hearing (Slightly Misleading, if only due to the Immigration Court judge's decision)
The reporter posted an update on Twitter this afternoon.
Hannah Dreier said:
Basically, Henry's decision to get his story out there worked and might have bought himself the support he needs preserve his asylum status. It also shamed his handler (mentioned in the previous story) into testifying on his behalf, and won him a lot of support across the country. However, his status is still up in the air and will remain so until May, and he continues to live in detention along other suspected MS-13 members. He fears being moved into protective custody, since then the MS-13 members in detention will know that he was a traitor for a fact.
It sounds like his lawyer is pretty solid, since he has a few contingencies lined up in case the immigration court judge rules against them in May.
That's the point. They want immigrants,legal or otherwise to live in constant fear.
Y'all really can't complain about gangs on one hand and then be pro-discarding informants. Law enforcement needs informants...
This is why no one snitches
This couldn't have backfired any harder. He gets deported and the people he snitched on go home due to lack of supporting evidence
That risk was nowhere even worth it. Just kill the kid right now instead of wasting the time and money to deport him cuz the moment he steps in El Salvador he's dead.
This couldn't have backfired any harder. He gets deported and the people he snitched on go home due to lack of supporting evidence
That risk was nowhere even worth it. Just kill the kid right now instead of wasting the time and money to deport him cuz the moment he steps in El Salvador he's dead.
Yeah. I'm not even sure what to think about people feeling a 13 year old should have known better. What?
Any brown person automatically fully matures as an adult the moment they enter thier teens. It's a known fact.
Yet guys on this board...over 18...get a pass for not knowing they should be taking showers, washing their hands after using the toilet, and practicing basic hygiene. But a 13 year old should have known better.
LOL.
I had to read a lot about cases like this kid in school (psychology) . Their initiations are usually fear based aka do this or we will kill X relative, friend, bf/gf etc. While I'm not excusing him nobody here knows his true background other than what's being accounted on the article. Again, not excusing him, but a lot of this kids saying no when in his position = dead.
What do you think will happen when the feds send informants to their deaths?
The fuck magic bubble you live in where people struggling and have low wage jobs they have to get to every day can just up and bounce with ease?
If it were that easy everyone would do it. The fact these gangs can even thrive here pissed me off to no end. Living amongst shit like that is fucking terrible.
Sounds about right.
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I'm black n I do think that 13 year olds should know better than to murder ppl n tell on girls who throw up gang signs which results in violence. Guess I'm old fashioned tho.
Not at all, they are afraid of them to a certain degree too. Think of cartels in Mexico but with violence instead of drugs. He is dead on arrival, they don't hold punches down there.
There are other areas on the Island (Suffolk specifically) where they could have moved to. Would they be nice middle class areas? No not exactly but if i was them i would much rather be living say in a basement apartment in Medford than Brentwood. It's unfair to these kids to come up here and basically be fucked as soon as they enroll in school. I'm not going to pretend that they can afford it on their own, me and you both know it's not just one family living in the houses out here. Would it be easy to find another family to move in with? I can't speak to that but the sooner they get out of the town of Islip's spanish speaking communities the better. It's not like MS-13 is confined to Brentwood/CI, but it's def the heart of it.
He was 12 years old and surrounded by hardened killers while a tatted 60 year old mass murderer tells him to either kill a man or be killed alongside said man... yeah im sure you would have done "better" at that age.
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Another Update (or rather, the primary journalist wrote this, got it edited and ready to publish this morning).
https://www.propublica.org/article/...rtation-ice-asylum-hearing-temporary-reprieve
Teen Who Faced Deportation After He Informed on MS-13 Gets Temporary Reprieve
https://www.propublica.org/article/...rtation-ice-asylum-hearing-temporary-reprieve
Teen Who Faced Deportation After He Informed on MS-13 Gets Temporary Reprieve
sending informants off to die is a great way to get fewer informants in the future though. law enforcement needs people to squeal to fight organized crime effectively.
Judge seems to be on the kid's side. I hope the kid can pull through this.
You don't have a choice at 12 in such an environment. Kid is basically a child soldier.
Yeah, this.
I'm black and I do think 13 years old should know better than to murder people in a regular setting. I also know that when you're being surrounded by a bunch of guys who would most likely kill you on the spot or do bad shit to you and then kill you if you didn't do it would fuck up your decision making process and morality.
Guess I'm old fashioned tho.
Yeah. The 13 year old is as much of a victim here. I'm glad he ratted them out. He has to live with his own murder for the rest of his life. We also have a process for making him pay for that crime. I mean isn't that why we have a juvenile criminal system??
But sending him to his death considering the circumstances isn't warranted. Especially since we more than likely prevented even more deaths from his information.
But sending him to his death considering the circumstances isn't warranted. Especially since we more than likely prevented even more deaths from his information.
I hope they can move him the fuck off the island and away from Ms-13 altogether.
If I can run into random ex girlfriend's just by stopping at a CVS in some town I hardly visit, there is a good chance he will run into these guys or someone else from his village years down the line out here. The island ain't that big, he needs out of NY.
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Why does the 60 yo being tatted matters? Why does he tell on the girl if he knows how these hardened killers would react if he is such a remorseful nice guy? How much did being around these mass murders n hardened killers affect how he thinks n behaves? How well do you know Aizen-S-Kennedy's life? Do you know if he was surrounded by killers at a young age or nah? So many questions
Okay, so you're trolling in a thread about a 13 year old facing deportation and possible death. Great.
I probably know Aizen-S-Kennedy more than I wanted to now.
Not trolling at all. N not worried about what you think you know or if you think I'm " trolling". I know muthafuckas that actually left the same gang y'all talking about personally. They are alive n well. I don't share your views on deportation sorry.
I am insensitive to gang members plight. I also guaran fucking tee I've been around wayyyy more gang members then 99% of the people commenting on this topic but ok.
Matter fact since I got a warning from moderation I'll make another edit. Y'all sit on the side lines n judge this gang shit without ever being around it. I grew up in it. So did my fam. https://www.wwaytv3.com/2015/10/16/man-pleads-guilty-sentenced-for-2013-wilmington-murder/
Gang members murdered my pops on some just tryna catch a weed lick shit n I'm supposed to care about peer pressure. Nah b. Everybody who leaves ms13 aren't murdered. You don't always have to kill someone to get in. You don't follow cars with headlights flashing. Stop believing everything you read about shit you know nothing about in real life. Fuck outta here.
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He's fucking dead if they actually deport him
and not just dead, he's like, really dead
Dawww...sweet summer child
Aren't you just adorable.
and not just dead, he's like, really dead
Dawww...sweet summer child
Aren't you just adorable.
I'm not sure i understand - are you saying he was born into gang membership, as if it was somehow inevitable?