People continue to doubt the guy who is literally making the console. And also, for the people who say they were disppointed by the announcement, I would say to just relax until PlayStation has its conference.
So they copied all the same promises and features their competitors already have or promised long ago and are in full catch-up mode. How is this interesting? It's also hypocritical of them when they spent an entire generation shitting on BC and how "that's not what our players want" only to come out and say "okay yeah they all have BC and people like it, so we caved and did it too but only for ps4."Maybe ms revealing more is what Sony wants lol. Now Sony has got the ball rolling and put the basic stuff like powerful system, low loading times with ssd and thrown in raytracing, 8k buzzwords and cleared any concerns that people might have regarding Bc, they can just wait as long as possible to have their full reveal event and games launch lineup.
I don't think that the All digital is a driver for Microsoft as you think it is. It's another option which is why it was quietly announced on a show that not many people watch rather than holding until E3. The mixer stream had 25k viewers when I was watching. If you think Sony were that shook by this console they had to talk PS5, well...Sony did a smart thing getting in front of MS and announcing their specs. They stole the lime light right at the moment when MS was about to reveal the XBox All Digital console and made the gaming public both on here and on social media go nuts
What even is this post? I don't see why Microsoft's current gem sales matter for a generation where everyone starts at 0.Microsoft's console sales trajectory is so far behind the Playstation. I don't how Microsoft should be capable of doing a far better job than Sony to beat them. There are no risky parts about the Playstation 5, it's just smart implementation.
By doing... what, exactly? Acquiescing to demands to have features that competitors already have that they spent an entire generation shitting all over because "it's not a valid business path and we'd rather develop new titles?" Or are people being swayed by "oooh SSD support" when the competitors already had SSD's confirmed as well for their next gen plans. Or is it the better 4K support that it lacked, but competitors also already had?
I'm not sure what tone or trajectory you think they've set, but all they've done is try to play catch-up
I don't think that the All digital is a driver for Microsoft as you think it is. It's another option which is why it was quietly announced on a show that not many people watch rather than holding until E3. The mixer stream had 25k viewers when I was watching. If you think Sony were that shook by this console they had to talk PS5, well...
What even is this post? I don't see why Microsoft's current gem sales matter for a generation where everyone starts at 0.
By doing... what, exactly? Acquiescing to demands to have features that competitors already have that they spent an entire generation shitting all over because "it's not a valid business path and we'd rather develop new titles?"
Or are people being swayed by "oooh SSD support" when the competitors already had SSD's confirmed as well for their next gen plans.
Or is it the better 4K support that it lacked, but competitors also already had?
I'm not sure what tone or trajectory you think they've set, but all they've done is try to play catch-up
A lot of people do not want to concede that. There has been a narrative going on for a while that Xbox was going to come roaring into nextgen and crush Sony (a little hyperbolic, but not much) because they felt that Sony's decisions and relative silence the last year means they have gotten "Arrogant" or some other bullshit and will rest on their laurels next gen.Wow, tough crowd in here. Obviously I'm not suggesting that there's anything "genius" in a company giving a publication the exclusive scoop on its next-gen console, but I think the fact that it came out of absolutely no where was a masterstroke. They kept the mystery of the console while quelling key fears, and they're now driving the next-gen discussion when practically every single person on this forum expected Microsoft to do that.
You can disagree with the language I used, but I don't think I'm saying anything wildly controversial in this article.
Thanks for reading and commenting all the same! Haha!
Wow, tough crowd in here. Obviously I'm not suggesting that there's anything "genius" in a company giving a publication the exclusive scoop on its next-gen console, but I think the fact that it came out of absolutely no where was a masterstroke. They kept the mystery of the console while quelling key fears, and they're now driving the next-gen discussion when practically every single person on this forum expected Microsoft to do that.
You can disagree with the language I used, but I don't think I'm saying anything wildly controversial in this article.
Thanks for reading and commenting all the same! Haha!
I don't think that the All digital is a driver for Microsoft as you think it is. It's another option which is why it was quietly announced on a show that not many people watch rather than holding until E3. The mixer stream had 25k viewers when I was watching. If you think Sony were that shook by this console they had to talk PS5, well...
What even is this post? I don't see why Microsoft's current gem sales matter for a generation where everyone starts at 0.
The problem here is that Microsoft was already driving the discussion. We've known about Xbox scarlet since last year. Known about it and known it aims to be the best console out the gate. Sony was quiet and now they responded.
The problem here is that Microsoft was already driving the discussion. We've known about Xbox scarlet since last year. Known about it and known it aims to be the best console out the gate. Sony was quiet and now they responded.
Where did Microsoft confirm specs in the the next Xbox? And if you're going to make a claim, make sure you have all of the details. The article reports bc with at least PS4.So they copied all the same promises and features their competitors already have or promised long ago and are in full catch-up mode. How is this interesting? It's also hypocritical of them when they spent an entire generation shitting on BC and how "that's not what our players want" only to come out and say "okay yeah they all have BC and people like it, so we caved and did it too but only for ps4."
😅 Sorry my post came off that way but I I didn't mean it exactly like that. I know the Xbox All Digital isn't a major part of MS' future strategy for next gen and I'm sure Sony doesn't view it as a threat. It's just that I feel it was smart of them to still steal attention from MS and control the narrative in the way they did.I don't think that the All digital is a driver for Microsoft as you think it is. It's another option which is why it was quietly announced on a show that not many people watch rather than holding until E3. The mixer stream had 25k viewers when I was watching. If you think Sony were that shook by this console they had to talk PS5, well...
The problem here is that Microsoft was already driving the discussion. We've known about Xbox scarlet since last year. Known about it and known it aims to be the best console out the gate. Sony was quiet and now they responded.
So they copied all the same promises and features their competitors already have or promised long ago and are in full catch-up mode. How is this interesting?
It's also hypocritical of them when they spent an entire generation shitting on BC and how "that's not what our players want" only to come out and say "okay yeah they all have BC and people like it, so we caved and did it too but only for ps4."
I believe it's the latter. Google has made their plans public and Microsoft is expected to follow up. Sony wanted to make sure they're in the conversation with their direct competitor.I don't know... I feel like the PS4 event reveal was as stroke of genius... it took all the wind out of the reveal for Xbox and was public enough that gamers everywhere got hyped. This felt a bit muted, confident mind you but muted and low key...which is really odd unless one of two: maybe PS5 really is farther off than most think and 2021 is the real window? So Sony wants to be in the mix by bringing this to light but they don't have more specifics to give? OR they just wanted to get this out now so once Xbox announces they will already be part of the conversation including Google and can do a response full reveal after the MS showcase? Personally I would have thought they would have done exactly what they did with the PS4 since that worked really well.
A lot of people do not want to concede that. There has been a narrative going on for a while that Xbox was going to come roaring into nextgen and crush Sony (a little hyperbolic, but not much) because they felt that Sony's decisions and relative silence the last year means they have gotten "Arrogant" or some other bullshit and will rest on their laurels next gen.
Having this stuff confirmed, the PS5 being more of the same but better, the PS5 being backwards compatible, the PS5 being no hardware slouch, and Sony taking the reigns on the discourse for next gen shatters that narrative.
The problem here is that Microsoft was already driving the discussion. We've known about Xbox scarlet since last year. Known about it and known it aims to be the best console out the gate. Sony was quiet and now they responded.
You mean we've known about the Scarlet through rumored leaks. MS hasn't come out in any fashion to talk about the capabilities of their next gen console(s). All we've got from them is confirmation that they are working on something for next gen which is pretty much a given. I don't see how you can conclude that they've been controlling the narrative based on that alone.The problem here is that Microsoft was already driving the discussion. We've known about Xbox scarlet since last year. Known about it and known it aims to be the best console out the gate. Sony was quiet and now they responded.
What even is this post? I don't see why Microsoft's current gem sales matter for a generation where everyone starts at 0.
What has Microsoft shared about scarlet other than best console out of the gate?
Cerny's the one who gave the info not a leaker. He's the engineer in the trenches leading the team making the actual hardware. And if it's indeed coming in 2020 it seems obvious he's almost certainly settled on the component details of what's going to be in the box aside from any bumps they might be able to do due to timing, like the ram bump the ps4 got due to timing making it possible.Come back to us when the final hardware is on a plate because it's not gonna be exactly what was said on paper. It never is.
Yup.Sony is kind of driving the discussion. They know how people respond by paying attention to social media and various discussion forums/groups such as this. I think this was a smart play. E3 shouldn't be a requirement for revealing a new console, given the dynamics of how people react to and discuss new information online today (and also how something like this shapes our opinions). Sony basically enlarged and then grabbed the hype wave by the arm by doing this, and arguably have more power over it and the impact of the discussion opposed to just doing an old fashioned E3-like reveal.
They can now focus on some kind of event where they go way more in depth on the console and its offerings.
I remember that like it was yesterday.
Sony fansite claims Sony's latest move was genius.
But jokes aside...
I wouldn't call it a stroke of genius but getting ahead of MS and confirming backward compatibility right off the bat were really good moves.
I'd imagine they're less concerned about Microsoft this go around, what with MS's focus on services and streaming, which isn't something Sony has focused on much in its messaging.It's a bold move. Microsoft can now easily outperform the PS5 specs wise and we know MS won't release a weak console ever again.
What ?With the PS5, Sony is planning to reenter a marketplace that's in a constant state of flux, with no stated plans to do anything but offer more of the same.
Xbox One initial marketing campaign was about redefining how games were played. Innovation for the sake of innovation does not "just work".Sony does run the risk of bringing a machine to market that's "just" a traditional games console, when other major players are focusing on redefining how games are played.
This guy never heard of PsNow??However, it's also coming up to bat in a video game industry that's in a greater state of flux than normal. Google's streaming service Stadia promises to put serious marketing and programming muscle behind cloud-based gaming in a way that can't help but change the landscape around it. Microsoft already has a streaming service of its own, as well as new initiatives such as the Xbox One All-Digital Edition, the All Access program, and bringing the Xbox Live experience to its competitors' platforms.
Sony does run the risk of bringing a machine to market that's "just" a traditional games console, when other major players are focusing on redefining how games are played.
Those were good times 😌I remember that like it was yesterday.
They end up making a pro
You haven't been paying attention then.No one was saying the next Xbox was going to crush the PS5. The PS5 information doesn't really change anything since no reasonable person was expecting Sony to heavily drop the ball by repeating a PS3/XBO-level mistake.
I'm curious how you even came to this scenario in your head.
No one was saying the next Xbox was going to crush the PS5. The PS5 information doesn't really change anything since no reasonable person was expecting Sony to heavily drop the ball by repeating a PS3/XBO-level mistake.
I'm having difficulty reading the article since I'm cringing so hard to the Kaz as Hulkster pic.
Sony fansite claims Sony's latest move was genius.
But jokes aside, it was a good move. Microsoft was "winning" the next-gen talks because:
With this, they showed some of their cards early and in an official way, confirming some of the stuff we were hoping for next-gen (ray-tracing and SSDs, among others), while also confirming they'll finally have proper backwards compatibility too - one of the things that could have potentially been a huge point in Microsoft's favour come next-gen.
- There wasn't basically any next-gen talk around Sony or Nintendo (not that Nintendo needs to talk about that yet)
- Microsoft's next-gen plan sounds great (more first party studios, full backwards compatibility, more power than the competition, xCloud, multiple SKUs, etc.)
Yup.I remember when people were disappointed they didn't reveal the box when they announce the PS4. How much does that matter today? We will get everything in time, what they talked about in the interview is perfectly fine for a console coming sometime next year. At least now devs can say their games are coming to the next gem PlayStation and we know all our shit from PS4 will carry over.
What does this matter? Sony said it first?Why would they reveal price and power to their competition so far out? They did the smart thing of just revealing enough to let 3rd parties to talk openly about it and letting their fans know that they will have a solid system and their games will carry over through Bc. They also threw out the buzzwords like 8k, Ray tracing etc... before ms does the same during their reveal at e3.
microsoft won last gen when it mattered, Sony caught up in the end but at that time Microsoft was still the one to beat.....until Mattrick happened.Sony have the market share and that matters as peoples digital pruchases will keep them on the platform they have right now, that is not starting at 0. I don't see MS increasing their market share by huge amount compared to what they have now.
For Sony the job is alot easier they pretty much have the rest of the world, they just gotta to focus on the US to keep/increase their market share, whilst for ms the it is alot harder as people outside the US don't really see the Xbox as compelling and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
The problem here is that Microsoft was already driving the discussion. We've known about Xbox scarlet since last year. Known about it and known it aims to be the best console out the gate. Sony was quiet and now they responded.
The fact that it existed at all. That was all they needed to do. And now Sony had to do this. They couldn't just say PS5 is coming. Their silence and other actions drummed up too many theories and conspiracies. They addressed BC, which MS set a standard for this gen and already said is the rule going forward. They addressed power sort of, which MS already committed to with the One X. They quelled fears, while as I keep saying, not really saying anything. Sure PS5 will be strong but how strong? It will have BC with PS4 but what about everything else? Like other desperately needed network and service features? We don't even know if it will have a 4K Blu-ray player that the Pro should've had. They matched what we already know about the next Xbox. That's really it in my eyes.