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RAGE 2 will skip Steam, launching on Bethesda Launcher, pre-orders are LIVE for all platforms

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PJsprojects

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Fine by me,already use Bethesda launcher for FO76 so will pick Rage up on a sale when I have less to play.
I must already have six or seven launchers installed so it just seems to be the way things are going.
 
ShinUltramanJ

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low-G said:
I suspect Rage 2 will make them quit their Bethesda store ambitions very fast. Very few people will download the launcher for Rage 2. It will fail, just as they tried to make Quake Champions a thing exclusive to their launcher and that was free.
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They're sending Rage 2 to die on PC, because nobody's going to bother installing the Bethesda store.

So either they'll come around to releasing on Steam as well, or Epic will throw money at them to put it there so it can die twice.
 
JD3Nine

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TBH I wouldn't even mind Bethesda going exclusive on their own launcher. But, they can't even be bothered to turn it into a usable piece of software, let alone add some features that a PC player might want. It's just disrespectful to me as a consumer. But, Steam has me brainwashed, am I right?
 
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We're going to go through the same thing all over again where publishers say there's too little interest in PC games for them to have the releases worthwhile, like they did with blaming piracy last gen.
 
RPGam3r

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Lol can't imagine not buying a game I was interested in just bc it's on a different storefront. This sounds similar to statements I made to peeps back in the day about consoles, except the barrier to entry here is laughably low. At least with consoles I could understand not wanting to shell out for another system.
 
Fatmanp

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Are they seriously even trying. Its £59.99 on the store yet i can grab it from Cdkeys for £29.99. I am fine with publishers keeping games exclusive to their own launchers but at least make the price competitive.
 
low-G

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RPGam3r said:
Lol can't imagine not buying a game I was interested in just bc it's on a different storefront. This sounds similar to statements I made to peeps back in the day about consoles, except the barrier to entry here is laughably low. At least with consoles I could understand not wanting to shell out for another system.
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I've bought stuff on other storefronts, but I'm not going to buy a game on a terrible-loading, featureless, insecure system that will lose my credit card info and I'll lose my account on because there's no protections.

Would you give your credit card to a guy on the street for a PS4 game?
 
MrBob

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lmao the bethesda launcher is even worse than the epic one...skipping. this wont go well for the pc version.
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As someone who bought fallout 76 for PC this is... correct. Many issues but most importantly no two factor authentication. At least not when I last checked. Bethesda seemed to hastily put F76 behind their launcher wall without making sure their launcher was fleshed out first. It amazes me Bethesda wants to lock their games behind a launcher with no security.


As much as I want to play rage 2 id rather not play rage 2 than be forced to use the Bethesda launcher. It's quite unfortunate but it is what it is and the launcher is a cesspool of garbage.
 
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Zojirushi

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All these huge Software companies including MS having terrible stores/launchers it's pretty clear that programming this must be the most difficult thing in the world apparently.
 
MrCibb

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I probably would have bought this if it was on Steam. But I'm really putting my money where my mouth is with all this "competition" that's going on right now. Steam isn't perfect and Valve needs to work on a lot of things, but I still trust them with my game library and my information. I do not trust Bethesda or Epic. And I will not support their storefronts. So I'll either be waiting for a Steam release of RAGE 2 (at a discounted price), or I guess I'll be skipping it entirely.

Thankfully a lot of these games I'm not too big on anyway. If Halo MCC was for some reason exclusive to the Bethesda or Epic store, that'd hurt. But I can skip RAGE 2 without caring too much.
 
cowbanana

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I actually really want to play this game, but buying it on the Bethesda launcher just isn't going to happen. They'll have to put in on Steam, GOG or even Uplay/Origin if they want me to buy it. I'm very adamant about not supporting the Bethesda launcher or the even worse and utterly shitty Epic store.
 
Thrill_house

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Whew damn. Well looks like this one is getting a rental on ps4. Not installing Bethesda's launcher. They can keep it lol
 
RPGam3r

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I've bought stuff on other storefronts, but I'm not going to buy a game on a terrible-loading, featureless, insecure system that will lose my credit card info and I'll lose my account on because there's no protections.

Would you give your credit card to a guy on the street for a PS4 game?
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A guy on the street is not equivalent to a company. Also I haven't heard of security flaws with systems, at least not related to PCI.
 
low-G

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A guy on the street is not equivalent to a company. Also I haven't heard of security flaws with systems, at least not related to PCI.
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Yes, it is.

(Same news item, pick which you prefer)
https://gamerant.com/bethesda-security-breach-personal-info/
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/fallout-76-breach,news-28781.html

They lost private info just a few weeks ago. You'd be a fool to trust them. Also, just like some sketchy drug guy on the street, Bethesda Store will definitely not be around for long. Epic Store might last, but Bethesda Store won't be around in 10 years. Those purchases will be gone forever.
 
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Yes, it is.

(Same news item, pick which you prefer)
https://gamerant.com/bethesda-security-breach-personal-info/
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/fallout-76-breach,news-28781.html

They lost private info just a few weeks ago. You'd be a fool to trust them. Also, just like some sketchy drug guy on the street, Bethesda Store will definitely not be around for long. Epic Store might last, but Bethesda Store won't be around in 10 years. Those purchases will be gone forever.
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No they're not the same no matter how many times you repeat the ridiculous analogy. Also they lost some PII, but I don't see where they lost payment info.
 

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Seriously, why do you even give a shit? Everyone can spend their cash however they want. Well, everyone except PC players apparently. We go through these same dumbass arguments every thread.
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Trying to understand "PC gamers" logic has been entertaining, though. Still chuckling at the "No Steam, no buy" posts.
 
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RPGam3r

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Seriously, why do you even give a shit? Everyone can spend their cash however they want. Well, everyone except PC players apparently. We go through these same dumbass arguments every thread.
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I'm allowed to comment on other comments made on a public forum. Why do you give a shit that I think its somewhat funny how anti other storefronts this place seems to be?
 
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I've bought stuff on other storefronts, but I'm not going to buy a game on a terrible-loading, featureless, insecure system that will lose my credit card info and I'll lose my account on because there's no protections.

Would you give your credit card to a guy on the street for a PS4 game?
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I wouldn't even give my credit card to Sony with what I've seen.
 
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RPGam3r said:
Lol can't imagine not buying a game I was interested in just bc it's on a different storefront. This sounds similar to statements I made to peeps back in the day about consoles, except the barrier to entry here is laughably low. At least with consoles I could understand not wanting to shell out for another system.
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Here's a friendly reminder of why people want to avoid the bethesda store:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/5/18128248/fallout-76-customer-information-leaked-collectors-edition


It's not a bug, but a feature! No one will trust bethesda with their info because of their reputation.

edit: saw someone already said that and you just lol'ed at it. eh, what did i expect from someone with a vault boy avatar lol.
 
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JD3Nine

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RPGam3r said:
I'm allowed to comment on other comments made on a public forum. Why do you give a shit that I think its somewhat funny how anti other storefronts this place seems to be?
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This shit has been explained over and over and over and over. So...because you lack reading comprehension skills we should just explain it to you over and over and over and over, again?

But, the thing isn't no matter what we say you are still gonna come back with some variant of "it's just another click" or "no Steam no buy." It's a total waste of time.
 
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Unlike Epic, Bethesda arguably has valid justification for exclusivity.
Also unlike Epic, Bethesda does distribute keys to third party resellers.
And the price is pretty good, at least in my region. £40 RRP, £34 at GMG.
So this could've been worse.

But it's hardly good.
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Why?
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Bethesda's streak of incompetence.
The FO76 premium trash bag situation where they misled customers and then kept fucking up the response.
Leaking customer data.
The continued misadventures of Fallout 76.

I've never used Bethesda's launcher, but reportedly it's bad both technically and policy wise.
Apparently Bethesda doesn't do refunds. That's a significant repellent, especially in combination with the general incompetence displayed.
No 2FA either?
 

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Unknownhero said:
Here's a friendly reminder of why people want to avoid the bethesda store:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/5/18128248/fallout-76-customer-information-leaked-collectors-edition


It's not a bug, but a feature!
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But hasn't Steam itself have large data leaks and vulnerabilities previously? Why not the concern in this case?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-15690187

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...ke-remote-control-of-gamers-pcs/#e8260d6240e9

https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/25/10665814/valve-steam-holiday-sale-security-problems
 
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I really don't mind multiple storefronts. But, a Bethesda one is where I draw the line. Fuck off. Doom is one of my most hyped for games, but I will absolutely be cancelling my preorder if they announce it is fucking Bethesda store exclusive. Every fucking publisher doesn't need a launcher.
 
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Unpopular opinion. I'm actually cool with them putting it on their own storefront and not being moneyhatted by Epic. There is a big difference between the two actions so I'm alright with Bethesda doing this.

I also understand why people are not happy with it either.
 
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Yeah no thanks, not interested enough in the game that I'm gonna use a new launcher AND pay more than if it were on steam
 

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Unless I'm missing something I don't really think it's an issue. I'll buy the game on GMG probably, if it needs a Bethesda account I'll just make some info up, no reason to use my real information there, especially if the launcher is as bad as people claim. I would have to do it for Doom Eternal anyway so might it as well get out of the way with Rage 2

edit: I don't know if it was confirmed yet or not but I'd be very surprised if Doom Eternal releases on Steam.
 
J_Viper

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>doesn't go above 1080p on XOX or Pro
>stuck on Bethesda launcher on PC

It's like they don't want me to buy this





Wait



Oh shit


What if they pull this with Doom?
 
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But hasn't Steam itself have large data leaks and vulnerabilities previously? Why not the concern in this case?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-15690187

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...ke-remote-control-of-gamers-pcs/#e8260d6240e9

https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/25/10665814/valve-steam-holiday-sale-security-problems
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pffft, nice try. As bad as it was it's still not at the level of incompetence of bethesda leaking names and CC info over customer support tickets. Nice try into justifying it though.
 
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This shit has been explained over and over and over and over. So...because you lack reading comprehension skills we should just explain it to you over and over and over and over, again?

But, the thing isn't no matter what we say you are still gonna come back with some variant of "it's just another click" or "no Steam no buy." It's a total waste of time.
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I can read just fine. I don't find what I read compelling enough to avoid games. Is it that hard to understand? I'm pretty sure it is not that hard. With that said almost all forum posts are a complete waste of time.
 

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Since both the client platform/store and the publishers of the game are the same, I guess its logical on their part to have the game on Bethesda launcher.

Now if Bethesda Launcher was owned by another subsidiary of Zenimax Media and the publishers of the game were still Bethesda Softworks, then you can be sure that the subsidiary company will be taking a cut (similar to steam) for having the game sold on the launcher.
 

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pffft, nice try. As bad as it was it's still not at the level of incompetence of bethesda leaking names and CC info over customer support tickets. Nice try into justifying it though.
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Huh? So the method of how the data leaked is the issue now? Not that the data was leaked at all?
 
RPGam3r

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Unknownhero said:
Here's a friendly reminder of why people want to avoid the bethesda store:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/5/18128248/fallout-76-customer-information-leaked-collectors-edition


It's not a bug, but a feature! No one will trust bethesda with their info because of their reputation.

edit: saw someone already said that and you just lol'ed at it. eh, what did i expect from someone with a vault boy avatar lol.
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I didn't "lol'ed" on that response. I admitted they leaked some PII.
 
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