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By JESSICA PUCKETT


Reclining seats are one of the most controversial airline amenities. For some, it's a necessity for getting comfortable on long flights. But for others, it's a source of broken laptops, spilled drinks, and mid-flight arguments.

No matter which camp you fall into, it's no secret that personal space in economy has slowly, but surely, eroded over the years. And as airlines release new seat designs, some travelers fear they may be stuck sitting upright in the near future.

When Southwest Airlines recently debuted its new cabins rolling out on planes in 2025, travelers were quick to take to social media complaining about the seemingly thin design. The airline has since confirmed that the new RECARO seats will have the same legroom, seat width, and recline capabilities as its current seating options. However, the internet backlash Southwest initially faced underscores just how protective fliers are over their legroom—what's left of it, that is.

While Southwest passengers can rest easy (for now), the recliner still risks an extinction in economy class as airlines increasingly opt for lighter seats, William McGee, senior fellow for aviation and travel at the American Economic Liberties Project, tells Condé Nast Traveler.

"This trend has been occurring for several years now, and I think it will continue," says McGee. "Lighter seats are what the airlines want, because with the cost of jet fuel they are always looking to reduce weight onboard."

Seats that don't recline have fewer mechanisms inside and therefore weigh less, lightening the load on board each plane and helping reduce fuel costs considerably. "Recliners also require more maintenance, so that is an added cost as well," McGee says. No-recline models have been flying for years on low-cost carriers like Spirit and Allegiant, who refer to the stationary seats as "pre-reclined," as they're molded at a slightly deeper angle than regular seats in the upright position.

The trend then jumped to mainstream carriers in 2018 when British Airways added "pre-reclined" seats to economy cabins to its fleet of Airbus A320neos. Around this same time, major US airlines like Delta, United, American, and Southwest, began trimming economy seat recline to an average of just two inches instead of a roomier four inches that used to be standard.

"The simple fact is that US airlines have been degrading their economy class products for many years now, slowly and gradually, but permanently as well," McGee says. "Think about it: as recently as the early 2000s, an economy ticket bought you a much more comfortable seat that reclined and offered several inches more legroom pitch and width." Economy fliers would also get free checked bags, a snack or hot meal, free drinks, and no seat selection fees.

"Consumers have been losing much more than seat recline in economy class," McGee says. "It's just that in this case, losing the ability to recline can be a blessing in disguise for others, because tighter seats have made reclining unfair to fellow passengers."

A trigger for in-flight incidents

Indeed, as seats have gotten tighter, the amount of unruly passenger incidents centered around leaned back seats have soared. "There is no question that [reclining seats] are potential triggers for unruly behavior for a variety of reasons," says Philip Baum, visiting professor of aviation security at Coventry University and the chair of DISPAX World 2024, an international conference on how to handle unruly plane passengers. Those reasons include instances like a passenger finally falling asleep only to be bumped by the person behind them or a passenger who reclines and the person behind them complains, among others, according to Baum.

As such, eliminating seats that recline can actually make the flight experience smoother. "There's no question this can be good news for air travelers," McGee says. "The airlines have pitted passenger against passenger in the 'right to recline' wars and it's led to discomfort, fist fights, arrests, and overall misery. When reclining inconveniences and disturbs the passengers behind, then it's problematic."

Carriers are starting to recognize the problem and offer solutions for passengers' recline frustrations—if they're willing to pay for an upgrade, that is. A growing number of airlines are introducing fixed-shell backs in their premium economy cabins, eliminating the dispute for the upgraded customers while also allowing a deep recline. Carriers such as Japan Airlines and Lufthansa recently added the fixed-shell feature to their newest premium economy seats. Premium economy also offers a deeper recline—often up to seven or eight inches.
Although pushing your seat back can be controversial, some believe it should still be available to fliers. "Personally, I think we should allow passengers to recline their seats but let people know that they may be asked—better still, required—to have their seats in an upright position during meal service," Baum says.

But McGee says passengers should expect to see reclining seats disappear in economy class in the near future. "Will some passengers miss recliners in economy class? Undoubtedly," he says. "But many more will be grateful they don't encounter a broken laptop or hot coffee spilled on them when the passenger in front decides to slide back."
www.cntraveler.com

Reclining Airline Seats Are Disappearing From Economy Class

The right to recline is one of the most highly-contested travel debates. But should airlines get rid of the option entirely?
 

Fat4all

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Oct 25, 2017
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economy class?

get rid of chairs all together

let the cattle stand the whole flight
 

Jarmel

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Oct 25, 2017
19,406
New York
As such, eliminating seats that recline can actually make the flight experience smoother. "There's no question this can be good news for air travelers," McGee says. "The airlines have pitted passenger against passenger in the 'right to recline' wars and it's led to discomfort, fist fights, arrests, and overall misery. When reclining inconveniences and disturbs the passengers behind, then it's problematic."

lol this corporate PR bullshit
 

AgeEighty

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Oct 25, 2017
11,478
I like having reclining seats but it does get annoying when the flight attendant has to ask the person in front of me to put their seat all the way up for the tenth time during descent.
 

Addie

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Oct 25, 2017
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Guess I'll be heretical and say I'm thankful no one can recline into me anymore.

And yes, there should be more room all around.
 

MadLaughter

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
13,103
Every flight I've ever been on the recline has been so minimal that it feels pointless, and even if it didn't, I never recline

That said, corporate BS at its finest
 

Salty Catfish

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Oct 25, 2017
2,780
Florida
Good. There's barely enough legroom as it is. I'm tired of people crashing their seats into my knees. Though the obvious solution is just to give everyone more legroom across the board, but they won't do that.
 

shaneo632

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Oct 29, 2017
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I've had way more issues than benefits from reclining seats, personally. It's annoying being on a long flight with the person in front reclined back as far as possible. There should absolutely be more space though.

I mean… if they gave the option to just be given some bomb ass sedatives for the whole flight I'd take it. I hate flying and just want it to be over.

100% this. Honestly I find all the bullshit getting to the airport and "hurry up and wait" for 2-3 hours the worst part. I'd love to pay a company to incapacitate me, transport my body through security, and wake me up when we land lol.
 

Xyer

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Aug 26, 2018
7,387
I had a woman on the flight down to Japan recline the entire way back and when I asked if she could move it up a little, she flat out ignored me. Soured me on reclining seats tbh. Haha. I was completely squished for 14 hours.
 

Fuchsia

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Oct 28, 2017
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Or we could just give more legroom.

…Nahhhhhhh that would be stupid what am I thinking?!
 

Trace

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Oct 25, 2017
4,693
Canada
IMO at current (lack) of legroom, removing recline makes the most sense. The real answer ofc is give me more legroom and don't charge double or triple for the privilege of an extra 2 inches of space. I'd be happy to pay a $50 or $100 premium but seeing a $700 flight turn into $1400 for "premium economy" is ridiculous.
 

manzoman96

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Oct 25, 2017
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The way it is now sucks, every time I'm on a flight the person in front of me lowers their seat all the way back and their head is practically in my lap.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,874
I only recline when there is no one behind me and even then I'm disappointed by how little the seats actually recline.

May as well take it away, the current form is awful in practice and only serves to create passenger conflict.

One day we'll have good air travel for taller folks.
 

Wyndstryker

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Oct 25, 2017
1,252
I've been on planes where the seat doesn't recline, but the padding you are seating on does. It's horrible if more airlines use this
 

Grenlento

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Dec 6, 2023
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I can never sleep sitting back in airline chairs. I'm better off dozing leaning over the table tray like I was back in school.
 

Grym

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Oct 27, 2017
3,974
I don't need ro recline on domestic flights....international I'd miss. But this just keeps the guy in front of me out of my space. So. Ok.
 

BourbonJungle

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Nov 1, 2017
2,137
As a tall person whose knees are constantly jammed into the seat in front of me I despise reclining seats.

Leaning back the tiniest bit does me no good but I'm already at negative legroom so every bit is precious.
 

HeySeuss

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Oct 25, 2017
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Considering how Era views people reclining their seats on a plane I would think this should be welcomed news.
 

Huey

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Oct 27, 2017
13,247
Honestly, reclining in economy on an airplane in 2024 is kind of a crappy move given how little room there is. It's a thing that used to be possible when airplane seating was different than it is now, but now it provides almost no benefit to the person reclining while cutting into the minuscule room the person behind you has.
 

fulltimepanda

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Oct 28, 2017
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if they can do this while giving us more legroom im all for it

but that isn't the case so they can stuff off
 

Pirateluigi

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Oct 27, 2017
6,885
I'd rather they just increased Leg room, but we all know that isn't going to happen, so yes, please get rid of the reclining seats. I fucking hate them
 

Saito

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Oct 25, 2017
1,812
This is good so there has to be a catch somewhere. I assume they'll cram in more seats somehow.
 

DeadlyVenom

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Apr 3, 2018
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I mean, they don't give enough room to recline in the first place so yeah. I can't fit anything in my tray table when someone in front reclines.
 

nonoriri

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Apr 30, 2020
4,248
Yeah honestly reclining is just fucking annoying with how minimal the space between you and the seat in front of you is. Someone reclines and they're basically banging into your knees. And also people just slam their seat back without thought or care for the person behind them.

I haven't flown international in so long I can't remember if their economy spacing is the same as a domestic plane but I see a better argument for keeping it there.
 

loco

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Jan 6, 2021
5,539
I know some flight attendants that hate the reclining chairs and people that complain about them. Just made their job slightly more enjoyable.
 

Trup1aya

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've gotta admit- I've never reclined my seat in economy because I know it'll instantly ruin the flight for whoever is behind me, but man do I wish there was enough room For me to do it
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,161
Talk to any flight attendant and they will tell you about some WILD fight between passengers over reclining seats. Flying sucks today and this doesn't make it any better, but I completely understand why this is an appealing decision for many people at airlines.
 

GDGF

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Oct 26, 2017
6,339
As a tall person whose knees are constantly jammed into the seat in front of me I despise reclining seats.

Leaning back the tiniest bit does me no good but I'm already at negative legroom so every bit is precious.

This right here. Last time I took a flight I had both seats and it was freaking heavenly because I could angle.
 

louiedog

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Oct 25, 2017
7,322
I'm tall. I hate when people recline into me and so I don't recline into anyone else. The discomfort for the person behind you is greater than the little bit you gain.
 

BourbonJungle

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Nov 1, 2017
2,137
This right here. Last time I took a flight I had both seats and it was freaking heavenly because I could angle.

WestJet was my favourite Canadian airline as they were the only ones who let you switch to the emergency row for free when doing your advance check in a day before the flight.

Not only would I get all that glorious legroom, but they also let the emergency row passengers board early so I wouldn't have to compete for the overhead bins.

Flights are always oversold and more often than not they're begging passengers to gate-check their bags as there's not enough bin space for all the carry-ons.

Sadly they started charging extra for the emergency row a few months ago. Just realized this on my last trip with multiple 6+ hours flights