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Renewed outbreaks in South Korea, Germany and China show continued risk as more countries seek to reopen

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That was South Korean President Moon Jae-in, speaking Sunday after a new cluster of coronavirus cases emerged in the country's capital Seoul, sparking fear of a second wave of infections in the East Asian country.

South Korea was among the first places to deal with a major coronavirus epidemic, and seemed to be on track to loosen restrictions, after weeks of social distancing measures and careful surveillance. But the new cluster seems to have put an end to that, for now, with Moon warning his people "we must never lower our guard regarding epidemic prevention."

China too, is introducing renewed restrictions after two cities reported new cases of the virus. Shulan, in Jilin province in the country's far northeast, has been put under lockdown, following 11 newly confirmed cases. Jilin borders both Russia and North Korea, and concerns have previously been raised over imported cases from overseas causing a renewed outbreak.
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Renewed outbreaks in South Korea, Germany and China show continued risk as more countries seek to reopen | CNN

Countries that appeared to be on top of the virus are again reporting domestic transmissions.
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SK just went back to another 30 days of modified lockdowns. I feel like our politicians and some of our populace (US)still don't get it. Many are using magical thinking to believe re-opening is just gonna be business as usual.

Also, consumer confidence is gonna be low. We're really not taking this thing seriously and just hoping.

We need a jobs program. We need medical investment. We need to erase HCP student loan debt. Hazard pay for all essential industries for at least a year.
 
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Most do get it, they just don't care. Look at people crowding beaches, parks, etc. People want movies, sports, and everything to all open up already.
 
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SK was really risking it with the reopening of Itaewon , how do you enforce social distancing in that area
 
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yuoke said:
Most do get it, they just don't care. Look at peoppe crowding beaches, parks, etc. People want movies, sports, and everything to all openup already.
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I get that, but there's a lack of systems thinking here. Doesn't everyone want to re-open though? I miss gyms, restaurants, travel, seeing family and friends, and so on.

But I also understand how viruses work and that these stops and starts don't achieve any economic recovery long term. It's more costly. Every major economist has said that quickly re-opening will more disastrous.
 
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"Fun" fact: The nightclub/bar outbreaks happened in the "foreigner" neighborhood of Seoul.
 
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America should stay in lockdown but implement a $2000/month Emergency UBI to starve off Great Depression 2.0

It makes so much sense that you know it won't happen
 
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This isn't going away until a vaccine is found. I dont see us getting back to normal normal until late 2021 at this rate.

And were probably going to continue to see a rise in violence in regards to frustration of the lockdowns. The worlds a fucking mess.
 
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entremet said:
I get that, but there's a lack of systems thinking here. Doesn't everyone want to re-open though? I miss gyms, restaurants, travel, seeing family and friends, and so on.

But I also understand how viruses work and that these stops and starts don't achieve any economic recovery long term. It's more costly. Every major economist has said that quickly re-opening will more disastrous.
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They don't this way for whatever reason. They think it will just be "everything opens up and goes back to normal and the virus will slowly go away".
 
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Dennis8K said:
America should stay in lockdown but implement a $2000/month Emergency UBI to starve off Great Depression 2.0
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Exactly. But the buffoons in Congress and Administration just don't' get it.

It's all magical thinking.

Senator Lamar Alexander, a high ranking GOP senator basically said we don't have enough money. How can a guy this tenured not understand FIAT currencies?
 
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Musubi said:
This isn't going away until a vaccine is found. I dont see us getting back to normal normal until late 2021 at this rate.

And were probably going to continue to see a rise in violence in regards to frustration of the lockdowns. The worlds a fucking mess.
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Imagine fall and winter, when mucous and particles fly all over from standard colds and flus... just the paranoia alone will drive people mad.
 
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entremet said:
Exactly. But the buffoons in Congress and Administration just don't' get it.

It's all magical thinking.

Senator Lamar Alexander, a high ranking GOP senator basically said we don't have enough money. How can a guy this tenured not understand FIAT currencies?
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socialism or death

I guess they prefer death
 
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It never was about having no new cases. It was always bout keeping the curve to a degree that enables the healthcare system to keep up until a vaccine or treatment is available.

To that degree, reopining has to be carefully planned and under strict guidelines to ensure that.
 
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HooAmEye said:
It's a hope thing, Far better for many to believe in it fading quickly, rather than realize that we might be looking at another 16 months of this.
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Yea but it's literally not the case, like factually. It's people wanting everything to reopen immediately, not just hoping things get better soon.
 
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Dennis8K said:
America should stay in lockdown but implement a $2000/month Emergency UBI to starve off Great Depression 2.0

It makes so much sense that you know it won't happen
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More or less this needs to be done, or discontent from people who have lost their jobs and aren't earning enough will be too high to enforce any measures at all. At the very least they have extended (temporarily) unemployment insurance but that hasn't even been paid out due to the backlog.
 
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This was unfornately going to happen with no vaccine.

It's funny about "reopening" when so much of the country (US) barely closed with the requirements so half assed and not reinforced.
 
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I think it's too soon for Germany, at lesst in parts. Old folks homes are being opened up for visitors again...though we just started an effort to test all seniors living in care facilities our jurisdiction. So if there're any hotspots of infections they could now spread easily. Sigh.
 
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Zukuu said:
It never was about having no new cases. It was always bout keeping the curve to a degree that enables the healthcare system to keep up until a vaccine or treatment is available.

To that degree, reopining has to be carefully planned and under strict guidelines to ensure that.
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The Trump Administration also torched its own reopening guidelines and many though those were pretty loose as well.
 

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We're going to be in for a rude awakening come summer. I already see people on Instagram acting like everything is over. Fuck that, I'm going to continue social distancing and staying away from areas with gatherings or groups of people. Don't have to go to work until September, so that helps as well.
 
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without vaccine, not sure what anyone expected. The only reason countries were able to flatline the virus was cause they were shutdown.

Its gonna happen everywhere.
 
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We are re-opening here in Portugal and I think it's a matter of time until the lockdown is implemented again.
 
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I don't get this, what do you mean by "foreigner"? Is it illegal immigrants?
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Unless you're Korean, you'll inevitably be called a "Waygookin" or "Waygook" in Korea, which is Korean for foreigner/out-of country.

It's essentially the equivalent of the "China-towns" that we have in the west, but with a more diverse population.

It's home to a large amount of Soul's expat/immigrant community and is located directly next to one of the US army bases (which is supposedly moving out of Seoul, but they've been saying that for years). It's also home to the only mosque in Seoul. It's also one of the two bigger party neighborhoods (the other being Hongdae), so it was inevitable that as soon as bars/clubs reopened people would flock to them.

For a large part of it's recent history, it's had a bit of a seedy reputation ("Hooker Hill" is a very well know landmark) that it just seemed to be getting over the past couple years. When I first moved to Korea in 2014, I was told by multiple Koreans to "not go to Itaewon" and that "it's dangerous". Judging by the reaction's my friends who are still living over there are reporting their schools are having with this news, it may be back to square one. Two have schools that are telling everyone if they find out you're anywhere near Itaewon, you're gone.

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JB1981 said:
5 new cases in a big city like Wuhan counts as an outbreak now?
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Yeah, exponential growth and all.

Also, if you couple new cases with relaxed measures and summer for most of the developed world bad case scenarios aren't good. You want to plan for the worst-case scenario.

But the fact is, many also want economic recovery. You won't' get economic recovery if consumer confidence is low with situations.

I don't think we're doomed, but we' re not taking this thing seriously from a policy level.

In the US, Trump scrapped his own re-opening model.
 
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when will people get it through their fucking skulls. this virus isn't going away until there's a vaccine and we've only mitigated more deaths and work for our health care workers is because of stay at home/isolation/social distancing

undoing all of that is just re-introducing same problems because it's far too wide spread at this point. there's no putting it back into the bottle now.

2nd wave was worse back in spanish flu epidemic and i fear it'll be the same here because everyone will think we've somehow beat it after two months.

essential workers lives don't matter
 
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The US isn't using magical thinking, we're using American gun violence thinking, "this is a terrible thing but attempting to address it is liberal hysteria and requires liberal solutions, thoughts & prayers is all we need."
 
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"what are you standing up for"

this'll be a long haul for everyone it seems, but at least korea did good initially and that counts for a lot
 
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without vaccine, not sure what anyone expected. The only reason countries were able to flatline the virus was cause they were shutdown.

Its gonna happen everywhere.
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I also don't see why people really really believe there will be a vaccine in 2021. Yes lots of research and cool things happen currently, but there is no sure way to know right now.
 
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
The US isn't using magical thinking, we're using American gun violence thinking, "this is a terrible thing but attempting to address it is liberal hysteria and requires liberal solutions, thoughts & prayers is all we need."
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There was an NYT Op-ed article on this from last week. Basically, guns trained many ppl to accept preventable deaths as something we can and should tolerate for "mah freedoms".
 
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when will people get it through their fucking skulls. this virus isn't going away until there's a vaccine and we've only mitigated more deaths and work for our health care workers is because of stay at home/isolation/social distancing

undoing all of that is just re-introducing same problems because it's far too wide spread at this point. there's no putting it back into the bottle now.

2nd wave was worse back in spanish flu epidemic and i fear it'll be the same here because everyone will think we've somehow beat it after two months.

essential workers lives don't matter
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They don't care about "getting it". A combination of ignorance and selfishness.
 
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It's never really about eliminating the disease. It's about making sure that the healthcare system can keep up with the amount of cases stretched over a longer time.

Thinking there won't be any new cases after things reopen is foolish.
 

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It'll probably be worse in America because most people act like wearing a mask is the equivalent of giving a kidney.
 
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5 cases is *prescisely* the time you want to be locking down. Everywhere that locked down really early has done better than places that waited until they had hundreds or thousands of cases.

Look at NZ. They locked down before they'd had a single confirmed fatality, and the virus is almost completely eliminated there now.
 
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Yeah, exponential growth and all.

Also, if you couple new cases with relaxed measures and summer for most of the developed world bad case scenarios aren't good. You want to plan for the worst-case scenario.

But the fact is, many also want economic recovery. You won't' get economic recovery if consumer confidence is low with situations.

I don't think we're doomed, but we' re not taking this thing seriously from a policy level.

In the US, Trump scrapped his own re-opening model.
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yes? remember how it all started (exponential growth, etc.) ?
sk had like zero new cases in the last weeks.
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Who is expecting this to go to zero before relaxing measures?
 
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Antiwhippy said:
It's never really about eliminating the disease. It's about making sure that the healthcare system can keep up with the amount of cases stretched over a longer time.

Thinking there won't be any new cases after things reopen is foolish.
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Definitely, but at least in the US, we've scrapped the CDC guidelines for re-opening. Again, this Trump's CDC too lol.

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Who is expecting this to go to zero before relaxing measures?
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No one lol.

It's about containing it. We're not even following our own Federal guidelines. It's hoping and praying.
 
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