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Reuters: France's Macron reeling as tough stance against 'yellow vests' backfires
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Didn't the protest die down after the concessions Or is back to full force now?
Also I'm pretty sure they wont stop till Macron resigns.
Also I'm pretty sure they wont stop till Macron resigns.
Macron fucked himself when he gave in, he's living proof that violent protests work. He might as well just resign.
Are you under the impression that France of all countries in the world needed proof of this?
Not really full force, and a lot of the people blocking the road are gone, but there is a lot of strong extremist from far right, far left, who really want to fight with the police force.
Even during the Algerian independence war the President didn't resign. This isn't the United States
The issue is that the Yellow Vest are largely disorganized. They have no representative accepted by all of them, no set of claims common to all... Even if you give in to some of them, other YV won't accept it when one representative decide they obtained enough to stop.
Since there is little point in negociations when the other party has little actual decision power over itself, the best the governement can do is some loose set of promises, a few initiatives to make the average YV believe he's being heard, and play for time until the movement die out.
"Macron responds, as he prepares to bring in stricter rules for unemployment benefits and cut thousands of public sector jobs."
Good Fuck Macron and Fuck Austerity.
Good Fuck Macron and Fuck Austerity.
So, essentially, he defused the catalyst from last year that led to the riots (the diesel tax), and then created a brand new one
I'm sure those people on the ground are just tired from eating too much cake.
???
The only US president to ever resign was Nixon, and that only happened when he was sure he was going to get kicked out by congress even if he didn't.
...what? Only one US President has ever resigned, while many French Presidents have...
Not only do violent protests work, peaceful protests only work because of the threat of violent protests as an alternative.
It's why American protests accomplish nothing because everyone knows you're all to cowed to do anything but schedule protests weeks later on a weekend and only if you're not working
Having it where if you protest you lose your job and healthcare has proven to be quite effective at curbing protests.
A case where the Birdseye view doesn't give a very good picture.
Used to be that protesting meant you were at risk of being legally shot by your managers, people still found the spine to do it though.
Nowadays people won't even protest their favourite wrestling company. This site put on a good show of not supporting that Saudi wwe pay per view but I couldn't help but notice a month later the threads were back.
he never was a good choice, he was just not as terrible as lepen!
Just because he did some "nice" speeches and didn't bow to trump doesn't mean he was good
Annoying labor market reforms that are widely acknowledged as being necessary even on the left half of the economics field are easy.
Everything else is a much harder judgement call.
Crazy to see in here people saying he should of not concede some to the protests. We really are starting to moe in the direction of authoritarianism on the left as well.
I'm bracing for the 2019 EuroParl disaster myself.
Then again M5S is suddenly sorta europhilic again which is nice. Hopefully they don't 180 again by next week.
The M5S is gonna crash and burn at the Europeans election.
#hottake.
Lega is gonna take most of the votes they drop which is even worse.
When the future of our planet is at stake maybe a little well focused authoritarism is warrented.
Maybe next year our people will get tired of Salvini "bullying" Malta or for simply being a shitty human being :v.
Yeah, there's no stopping them. They are a mishmash of ideologies, many contradictory or detached from reality, and the only thing uniting them is blaming the current establishment for basically everything. I'm sure there's reasonable people among them with legitimate gripes, but unfortunately it's also the ideal sheepskin that the nationalist wolves across the western world love to use.
That's the thing. It's not Macron who is bad ( he has mainly a communication problem that's all, he didn't do anything really bad yet, besides hard but useful changes.) , it's french people who start to be ungovernable. Just imagine the same people that voted for Trump but with a history of protests for everything and a country that lived on credits, is used to have an easy life and needs painful changes and you have France now. Babies that destroy everything because the candy time is finished and it's Macron who tells them so it's his fault. ( the changes are not even strong, we are FAAAAR from thatcher or from losing our social protections...)
Populists are as always promising paradise with a cherry on top and continuing even now to put oil on the fire to try to gain credit on the "yellow vests" movement ... problem is , we have only populists outside of Macron today ( lepen, melenchon, dupont aignant, even wauquiez ( right)... ) they all dream to be the next trump.
Our medias are not better, because of internet their audience is going down so they put that 24/24 because it's selling, helping the movement to keep traction. it's an everyday news on nearly every channel or paper when some other protests with millions of people didn't stay 2 hours on the news.
The 2022 elections will be a shitshow.
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I think May is gonna be too soon for that, unless there's some really dumb government crisis. I believe people will get tired of him eventually but we need more time.
Wish America emulated this approach. I'm kinda proud, at least in principle, for this kind of uprising in France, even if I wish humane policies and approaches didn't have to be pushed and made via flashpoints. Austerity and the further commodification of services, especially in a jobs cult culture, will always be flashpoints. It seems it's us American who gargle on the trash trying to find nutritional value everytime this happens here. Perhaps we can learn by studying actions abroad.
Much of the first world is at this "global flashpoint" because we've collectively lived by ideas, visions, and assertions about "The Way Things Are" that have absolutely broken down. For example, who has the balls to say the 20th century ideals to what we demand life to be have broken down and have died in 2008? None of these countries having neonationalists inches from positions of power have done so and are literally playing a game of this_is_fine.jpeg, and it's a bit too late to talk about the house being on fire when every room is in flames.
Guy Standing is perhaps one of the leading figures in the world in regards to this global problem, and he's been ringing the bells years before the Great Recession. One of his more recent talks is a good summation of the geopolitical problem afoot.
Remember that ERA is also an American-centric forum. They've already normalized what the French are standing up against, and that says quite a lot.
Automation, unemployment and UBI are the future. The sooner countries realize this, the easier everything will be.
There are less people protesting than before, but there are still enough people for the "yellow vest" to still be a thing. Concessions made wasn't that important and were poorly announced. So it's not back full force, but the most radical protestors are much more angry than before, thus a violence that isn't decreasing.
Not sure if the resignation of the president would be enough for some of them.
Any cult, and the current global climate is a jobs cult, always doubles down on the mythology and mysticism it erects, even if it gets uprooted with evidence, facts, trends, and data.
What's most concerning about cults, and why this is gonna be a hard thing for us to leap over, is it's their own narrowing worldview against change and "reality" that inadvertently create the doomsday scenario they worry about most. If Christian fundamentalists believe Satan will return and hell will come to earth, their climate denial is unintentionally the fuel needed to have this scenario happen, though in this sense "Satan" would just be moral breakdown and "hell" would be the burning earth. Similarly, the doubling down on jobs, and thus the doubling down on the idea one is impoverished and needs benefits from jobs will be the same people that fuel social implosions when jobs cult cultures fail and continue to fail in allowing people to check enough boxes to be a "haver" in a game that is increasingly, and overwhelmingly, a game of have nots.
This is why austerity is rocket fuel to the fire here; it will, and has never, done any actual good, but only seems good in the context of a jobs cult and "grooming" people back into it. This runs into the primary problem at play: the assertion that everyone needs a job, and if one lacks a job, the world goes to hell. It's a self-affirming approach.
Why is this a concern to you? Are you worried protesters are gonna beat up tourists?
Progressives caping for the yellow vests are in for a very rough surprise if any party starts taking their demands seriously.
A cursory glance at their positions should tell you that they are not your allies.
That's without taking into consideration that Neoliberal Macron of the Sacred Invisible Hand is largely a myth.
A cursory glance at their positions should tell you that they are not your allies.
That's without taking into consideration that Neoliberal Macron of the Sacred Invisible Hand is largely a myth.
It's way overblown, you won't have any problems. I live in France and we never even notice the protests. We went to Paris for the weekend in November and only encountered the protests once. Even then it wasn't anything dangerous or violent. The media is focusing way too much on the violence.
"as he prepares to bring in stricter rules for unemployment benefits and cut thousands of public sector jobs"
Protect the rich, they're the most important people!
Protect the rich, they're the most important people!