The only sad part about this is that the other four poachers with him didn't get stomped on and eaten too.
How do we know this had to do with survival of his family and not greed for example?Easy for a bunch of privileged people to sit in their homes and to look at this and see this as justice served. For this person the survival of his family was most likely more important than the life of some kind of rhino that western people value so much.
Unfortunate situation.
Easy for a bunch of privileged people to sit in their homes and to look at this and see this as justice served. For this person the survival of his family was most likely more important than the life of some kind of rhino that western people value so much.
Unfortunate situation.
Don't put words in my mouth. Blame the system that created the need for this person to go so far as to risk their life for some cash leaving behind their family. And stop celebrating the death of people of colour.So killing endangered species (for their horns that sells for thousands of dollars in the grey and black market) is A-Okay because ..... economic inequity?
Human beings are truly the most intelligent, reckless and destructive parasites on the face of this planet.
If it's the former, I feel bad for his family. I can still dislike poaching at the same time.
Don't put words in my mouth. Blame the system that created the need for this person to go so far as to risk their life for some cash leaving behind their family. And stop celebrating the death of people of colour.
I would appreciate privileged people to not talk about this at all, at least not in the way this thread did. Because some of you are just as guilty when it comes to the preservation of endagered species. Poaching is just one piece of the whole.
I agree.That's exactly the point.
We're not saying feel bad for him, were saying that propel shouldn't be laughing and cheering on his brutal death given the level of nuance and poverty involved with the situation.
So killing endangered species (for their horns that sells for thousands of dollars in the grey and black market) is A-Okay because ..... economic inequity?
Human beings are truly the most intelligent, reckless and destructive parasites on the face of this planet.
I can think of a lot of desperate things people have to do to survive. Stealing food for example. Prostitution. Killing...rhinos? Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me.
As you sit here, without desperation, living comfortably at the expense of desperate people, judging those who make life and death decisions daily.
Fuck this guy, right? He shoulda been out sucking dick.
Yes there is a net positive they get money because they're impoverished. And you only quoted one sentence of my entire post where I also explained the death of one hired worker won't affect the poaching trade one bit. Another desperate worker will quickly be brought in to replace himYes. There has been a defense of poaching here. There's posts like bringing up the impoverishment of the poachers and why they do what they do is necessary to survive. That's all not very well and good considering that there is absolutely no net positive for doing what they're doing and the consequences, believe it or not, affects us all.
As you sit here, without desperation, living comfortably at the expense of desperate people getting exploited, judging those who make life and death decisions daily.
Fuck this guy, right? He and his family shoulda been out sucking dick.
Gotta feel bad for the lions for having to eat that piece of shit.
What's wrong with sucking dick? Is that supposed to be some homophobic bullshit?
Also, get off from that high horse of yours. What is wrong is wrong. It's intention vs impact. Also, can you kindly back up your claim that this person was making life and death decision out of sheer desperation, presumably to justify his actions?
And just so that I make myself abundantly clear, I would rather see these poachers be arrested and the system that enables poaching be eradicated like the vile filth that it is. However, if a person dies in the act of poaching, I would have far less sympathy for him than his family and his prey.
What are you basing that assumption on?Easy for a bunch of privileged people to sit in their homes and to look at this and see this as justice served. For this person the survival of his family was most likely more important than the life of some kind of rhino that western people value so much.
Unfortunate situation.
Indeed, the study does show that poverty is a major driver of poaching. Close to half of the poachers (46 percent) considered their households as poor compared with other village households. These people poached for a longer period and more intensively than those living in average-income households.
Four in five villagers said they engaged in poaching for food or income. Almost all (96 percent) claimed that they would stop if they received income through other means to meet their needs.
But poverty was not the only driver, because over half of the poachers considered their household income as average compared to other villagers. These poachers had a higher proportion of income from non-poaching sources, such as cattle sales or outside employment, than households that considered themselves poor. They possessed more cattle, and a high proportion of them owned motorcycles, both of which enable alternative sources of income, yet they poached at levels on par with households that labeled themselves as poor.
Do I have to feel sorry for someone who gets shot robbing a bank too?
So basically never criticise any criminal act ever that could be borne out of economic hardship? That doesn't leave much then. I mean, even an assassin can be poor.I said there's something wrong with people who are well off criticizing desperately poor people for doing what they what society pressures them to do to survive. There's something especially wrong with a poster, speaking from privilege, dictating what other forms of other poverty driven, often dignity robbing measures are acceptable.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with sucking dick. Nice straw man.
I said there's something wrong with people who are well off criticizing desperately poor people for doing what they what society pressures them to do to survive. There's something especially wrong with a poster, speaking from privilege, dictating what other forms of other poverty driven, often dignity robbing measures are acceptable.
How exactly am I the one on the high horse? I'm not the one judging poor people for being poor.
Are you or your third graders living in poverty though?I'm not well off, and I think basic human decency dictates that you shouldn't kill rhinos.
I'll ask my third graders tomorrow if they would kill a rhino. They're not well off either.
I think there's a lot of room between that and gleefully celebrating and joking about a man's death. That's what seems to be triggering people, and it's pretty disingenuous to frame that as saying all crimes and poaching is fine.So basically never criticise any criminal act ever that could be borne out of economic hardship? That doesn't leave much then. I mean, even an assassin can be poor.
That's not what the poster I quoted said, though. I fully agree, celebrating this death is pretty weird to say the least. That doesn't mean I can't criticize rhino poaching, though, independent of the economic situation of the poacher. Also, that poaching in South Africa is predominately done by poor people is something a few posters in here vehemently object to.I think there's a lot of room between that and gleefully celebrating and joking about a man's death. That's what seems to be triggering people, and it's pretty disingenuous to frame that as saying all crimes and poaching is fine.
Odd that you lot end up being the reason for most of these animals being slaughteredNo, we're all filthy rich. It's one of those posh schools where we just go on and on about not killing endangered animals. We have not a care in the world for the people who make their living slaughtering them. There's an entire lesson about bullfighters after recess. For this week's field trip, we plan to harass human traffickers.
Odd that you lot end up being the reason for most of these animals being slaughtered
Yep people got sick minds on hereCelebrating the death of a human being is really gross. Some of y'all are gross but I still wouldn't wish ill on any of you.
Wild animals are not capable of violence because they cannot reason between violence and nonviolence.
Nah as long as it's a black dude who's dead or dying it's hilarious apparentlyYa'll know nothing has changed right? This death isn't going to deter future poachers or the demand for ivory from rich people.
The dude was just a extremely poor guy trying to feed his family. There will be many others like him and who will also be asked to do the same thing for money so they can feed their families. So all ya'll just doing is laughing at a poor dead African that was stuck in a rock and a hard place.
Yes pouching sucks and it's unfortunate people are choosing to kill endangered animals for rich people in order to feed their families, but it's pretty gross some of ya'll or laughing and posting memes over this death.
Kinda what I was thinking and might I add: I like your avatar. Very much looking forward to the new album.
Firstly, who here is judging poor people for being poor?
Also, the indignities and injustices brought forth by inherent inequities present socio-economic systems is a harsh reality and there are "wrongs" contributing towards basic survival that can be justified on that front. Poaching populations of endangered species, put into that position by our progenitors and economic incentives, is orders of magnitude more serious a crime than common theft of say, food or water.
I personally would never celebrate or laugh at a human death. I think the Darwin Awards are grotesque, for example.
This.Most of the times these poachers are impoverished people from a local village, the people who involved with the animal smuggling trade (aka the people who deserve to be eaten by lions) aren't affected at all by this.
So yeah, I find the celebrations here kinda gross.
This.
Do people here actually think poachers would be doing an illegal and high-risk job if they actually had a decent job they can rely on? They're poor people whose last concern is the life of an animal. Can't believe the reactions here of celebrating the person's death. This isn't some white rich American going to the safari for fun and bringing home a trophy.
Probably the same people who decried about the 13 yo who had to do yard work to buy a car because it's "struggle" but the truly struggling poacher who lives in an impoverished continent thanks to America having to do illegal job and meeting his demise is somewhat "fantastic". Privileged 101 at its finest. Wait for them to defend themselves for that logic.