Because you acknowledge it was obvious but are only mad now that he confirmed the obvious
Rian Johnson confirms Reylo would have happened under his direction
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Because you acknowledge it was obvious but are only mad now that he confirmed the obvious
What an odd statement. This is entire thread is based on hypotheticals.
I'm not mad because it was confirmed, I always disliked that aspect of TLJ in regards to this. In fact I'm pretty sure I've had a discussion with you in regards to my dislike of those aspects. All this has done has removed any shadow of doubt.
That's not an odd statement.
It's completely pointless to say "yeh, but what if?" to make what we actually have seem worse than it is.
What we literally see in TLJ is a complex relationship, with an extremely intimate exchange, and Rey realizing Kylo is too far gone sand turning her back on him
I admire what Rian was trying to do with Kylo and Rey's relationship, but the kiss in TRoS did not feel earned. It would have if the first and third movies had built on the relationship arc consistently. Sadly, the trilogy is all over the place in many areas, but particularly so when it comes to character relationships.
Any sequel SW thread on ERA is guaranteed to get hundreds of posts. Hell there have been such threads where the OP was literally a single sentence and it still got to 10 or more pages. People really want to care about these characters and they deserve to be written better.
Any sequel SW thread on ERA is guaranteed to get hundreds of posts. Hell there have been such threads where the OP was literally a single sentence and it still got to 10 or more pages. People really want to care about these characters and they deserve to be written better.
This whole thread is based on people all but declaring that Rian would have put those two together as an actual couple if he had wrote IX
When it's just him seemingly saying the obvious, in TLJ there was a romantic element in the mind connection where both were trying turn the other.
That romantic element is outright rejected by the end. So this thread is based of rien... rien Johnson
We're talking about how a previous directors interpretation of character differs or is consistent to the final film of a trilogy. If what we're doing is not discussing a what if, then what exactly are we discussing here? That Reylo as is, is how both authors envisioned it? Ok then.
Really should've been, yeah. A nobody that carved out her own future and a Stormtrooper that rejected the future decided for him, joining together to explore the Force in their own way and establish a new Jedi Order that doesn't have a Grandmaster that chooses a path for people to follow but encourages them to find their own...
Now that would've been the beginning of something special.
Death of the author and all that, Daisy herself stated she didn't think there was any romance between them, in TLJ. Obviously it could be interpreted that there was something there, but just as much the other way too. Then TROS just does the dumbest thing imaginable
No, what you were doing with that specific comment was trying to make what we see in TLJ worse based on what might have happened if the story was different.
And it actually would have made sense for their characters, imagine that
How is that different to someone thinking that a Rian directed episode 3 would have handled Reylo situation better? It's the same shit you just don't like the discussion.
TROS is stupid
Like Rian closed the door and locked and JJ takes a riot police battering ram and throws it open for no good reason. Because JJ fucked it all up
Because despite what the thread title says there's nothing in the tweets that even says Rian would have put them actually together in his IX
And TLJ makes it rather upfront that he didn't seem them ever being actually together
TLJ is also the movie that most set up Reylo. And it also made it impossible to tie together plot threads coherently in one more two hour movie. Which is one of the major problems detractors had for it. I do prefer it to TFA because TFA basically was just a retread reset button.
JJ was too busy trying to please everyone, including incels and the MRA
I'm talking about the discussion that has been actually going on in the thread and makes up a sizeable portion of it
Because we're talking about what we see in TLJ... not TRoS... come on...
TRoS obviously takes it to a shitty place. If Rian had taken it to the same place it would be shitty too, but the point is we don't know... we only have what he gave us, which is Rey explicitly turning her back on Kylo.
Finn and Rey doesn't make any more sense than anyone
And no point is there any indication Rey feels romantic feelings for Finn, she loves him like a friend and brother but not a lover, this is true from TFA on.
Rey doesn't and never needed a boyfriend.
Which is based mostly on people freaking out about a misreading of some tweets
Can't have that now. No, the true lesson of the sequel trilogy is apparently that men can be as abusive and violent as they like and women will still love them for it.
A disney series is gonna have a romance at some point, it's basically a rule. And Finn got fridged hard outside of a hug. I wouldn't say the confrontation Rey and Kylo had shut the door on that, even though it should have. Kylo was basically an incel already in TFA and yet it was still thought of as a good idea to create a romantic connection between Rey and Kylo anyway.
That is the lesson of TRoS, which sadly does direct the sequel trilogy there.
Set up
It rejected it.
That's literally the end of that movie, like literally a door is closed on their connection. Like not even a metaphorical door, an actual door.
No one ever "needs" a partner, but they could want one. They make a fuck ton of more sense than Reylo nonsense
Love is a natural part of life and if it's written well, go for it
And then he senses the force again, he's out busting heads. Then he's back to the ship for some more full penetration. Senses the force. Back to the ship, full penetration. Force. Penetration. Force. Full penetration. Force. Penetration. And this goes on and on and back and forth for 90 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends.
It shouldn't be a rule that every female lead needs a romance. It being Disney isn't a good reason for that.
TRoS would have had Rey get with no one.
Finn and Rey, and Finn and Poe having positive, platonic hetro relationships instead of the standard sexualisation could have been awesome.
And Finn should have been a Jedi.
TROS sucked
The correct set up out of TLJ is Ren is the big bad, is killed like the big bad, and Rey has no boyfriend to speak of.
I mean TLJ definitely felt that way to me
Anyway, at least they kept the Black man away from the white lady. The force can't handle that I guess😏
Anyway, at least they kept the Black man away from the white lady. The force can't handle that I guess😏
That scene didn't go over as a permanent end to the relationship to me at the time. More of an "I'm disappointed in you".
I agree, but Disney makes mass marketed products with generic formulas. I'm not presenting it as a good reason, I'm presenting it as this is how Disney does.
Like there's a really weird undercurrent of this thread that is basically Rey needs a boyfriend and Finn is owed Rey as a girlfriend.
There's no reason for her to not have a partner if it works and is written well. I'm not sure why you're so adamant about this. There's nothing wrong with being with someone.
Then I can't help you.
If you don't see a closing of the door as a closing of the door. *shrug*
And short of also re-writing TFA there was no partner set up for Rey
There is something wrong with the standard of having female leads and characters needing romantic relationships, though.
In my case, I just think it's inevitable that Disney will stick to a formula for marketing purposes and to get the "I want a romance to watch the movie for" market a hook.
Closing of a door in a soap opera formula usually just leads to increasing sexual tension till the couple gets back together. It's dumb, but Disney and stupid romance formulas go hand in hand.
Disney used to do a lot of things that weren't great, they still do. They have changed for the better in some ways over time, they could still.
I don't think anyone here is saying she needs one (I'm not, anyway). It's just as strange to say she doesn't need one.
Examples of a heavy handed image of a door closing like this ending up with what you claim?
The imagery was very obvious here.
No it's not, the entire point of saying she doesn't need one is to highlight the issue I just mentioned.
