- Status
My expectation has generally been that if Series X was running games at 4k, the PS5 would be at around 1800p or something using reconstruction techniques to achieve a similar level of visual fidelity. If DuskGolem thinks this is a problem, I don't know if it'll play out that way in practicality. Unless developers intend to brute force 4K at the expense of performance/visuals.
Matt said the same thing FWIW. The gap between these consoles is smaller than the gap between PS4 and XB1 and yet people are somehow expecting more profound differences? How does logic work?
Gt7, ratchet and clank, sack boy ,kena,godfall,tokyo ghost wire etc..
All running on ps5 . Not ps5 equivalents.
They barely used checkerboard 1.0,
That hardware went almost entirely unused by the big titles in favour of rendering that best suited the content
This is literally not how any of this works. PS5 and Series X have to render more complex scenes and thus games could have lower resolution than 4K, even thought Pro and One X had native 4K games.
Until we actually see XSX gameplay, I'm not putting much stock into this.
Even if, give us 4k checkerboarding and let the framerates run higher.
Even if, give us 4k checkerboarding and let the framerates run higher.
True, but DLSS is Nvidia's baby and neither PS5 or XSX have dedicator tensor cores. We know XSX offers a DirectML solution to this using FP16/8/4 compute on the GPU however. Sony hasn't talked about this yet but I'd be surprised if PS5 hasn't implemented a similar solution. Obviously it won't be as good as having dedicated hardware like Nvidia, but it could still yield better upscaling than CB/TI. None of the games in the PS5 showcase used any kind of AI upscaling though, at least DF didn't notice if they did. Not convinced any of the games in Xbox's showcase were actually running on XSX hardware tbh, think it was all PC.
I mean....the GPU is more expensive, the PS5s ssd was probably more and they seem to have more expensive coprocessors on board imo. I wouldn't be surprised if their closer than most think and Microsoft is ready to take a hit sense they're making a bigger bet on services.
Wouldn't be surprised if the series X is the cheaper console.
Some people want to believe the PS5 will be hard to develop for like the PS3. And the unconventional approach to clockspeeds and the new I/0 tech, both of which are hard to explain in a simple soundbite, gives them a lot of wiggle room to believe that.
What first party games were cross gen? A bunch of the third party stuff was, but we've already known that since June.
No true 4K, no PlayStation 5 for me then.
All the available budget will go to a RTX 3080Ti.
DLSS for the win.
Oh... wait...
We aren't getting 4K RT outside of racing games.
RT is the feature people should be worried about being over hyped. It's not going to be pretty on consoles above 1080p.
5% real world performance?
I'm not really surprised, these past two, maybe even three gens touted a resolution (480p, 720p, 1080p) and only got there some of the time.
User Banned (3 days): Console wars and conspiracy theories about the media over a number of posts
idk, but in yesterday's DF video in particular I got a sense that they were trying to paint Sony with the same issues MS is facing right now as far as hype and Halo reception... when that is obviously and starkly not the case at all, but they were *really* trying to push it. It was weird af. lol
Ratchet and clank and spiderman are both confirmed native 4k and raytraced . So is godfall and ghost wire Tokyo and plenty more
4K is possible but it just comes down to at what cost. We have native 4K titles on PS4, so obviously it is possible.
I thought people wanted 60fps more anyways.
I thought people wanted 60fps more anyways.
Even though Sony says they expect the variable clocks to stay max/high, until they really prove it (or optimize it) I think there is a lot of room for at least questions how well it will truly perform, especially for third party's who balance builds between multiple hardware configs. So rumors like this are not unsurprising to at least on the hardware side to me, but as the Generation goes on I'm sure the system will tighten up with optimizations and development experience. Me personally as a PC guy, I'm not a fan of variable clocks but that is just an opinion.
It is amazing how fast DLSS is maturing with such noticeable revolutionary outputs. Not sure if the console folks can work with AMD to do something similar this generation at that scale to be honest (maybe XCloud can), but in my mind that tech is far outpacing anything else being put into gaming (including those SSD's but those are pretty sexy).
Sept. 1st is going to be very interesting I think.
We'll see.
I'm sure more games will be native 4k on XSX but games like Resident Evil 3 on Xbox One X show that this isn't the right choice for every single game.
Can't wait until this whole spiel is over and we can see real facts from digital foundry, etc.
I'm sure more games will be native 4k on XSX but games like Resident Evil 3 on Xbox One X show that this isn't the right choice for every single game.
Can't wait until this whole spiel is over and we can see real facts from digital foundry, etc.
I've only read the first page, but does that mean my purchase of a 4k TV is now useless? Era please validate my purchase.
Yes I am kidding .
Yes I am kidding .
R&C
GT7
Godfall
Sackboy
Returnal
Spider-Man
Destruction All Stars
Astro's Playroom
Bugsnax
Deathloop
Kena
Oddworld
Ghostwire Tokyo
Little Devil Inside
I'm pretty sure that all the trailers for those titles (and others I've missed) showed actual gameplay footage in some way.
i dont think anyones trying to push a narrative, other than to say that there will be a gap in performance between the systems. Which given the specs shouldn't be surprising. Sony is way better aligned this holiday, they have a major exclusive game at launch, microsoft doesnt
User banned (3 days): Platform wars. Concern trolling.
Just to be clear, 12.16 would be the Xbox number of we are giving them the same detailed estimate, and 10.28 is not constant so you are also measuring a variable clock by its maximum which it cannot always use. I've seen some estimates of it dropping to about 9.2 depending on load, heat, and resource needs but I'll refrain from doing that math if we think it may be lower or higher than that and i missed it. But 18% is the most generous assumption you could give PS5.
Its quite reasonable for anyone here to realize that to achieve the same performance and settings, PS5 with even that generous calculation is about 1/5th less power so of course it may not be able to have the same resolution as Series X.
It's what I expected for third-party. Otherwise games would be 4K on the Xbox Series X and PS5, with a difference in visual features. What seems likelier is they would have shared 'console' settings, the Xbox Series X would reach 4K and the PS5 would be a lower resolution.
If FauxK allows for RayTracing and other fancy shit, bring it on. Not like I'm planning to grab a 4K TV anytime soon anyways.
Who's the other one?
Nah, Cerny himself said the PS5 will run at the top clockage most of the time and will only "downclock" if the game doesn't need any extra juice.
Indeed. But if I had to guess the RT settings in those games are the equivalent to "low" on PC.
I think we'll get subtle RT settings. But no RT showcases like Control.
I thought teraflops didn't matter?!
By the way I don't get the focus on TF, since resolution is determined by the GPU power and bandwidth. Thus your percentage is false anyway, because the Series X has a RAM advantage.
Nope, Cerny talked about PS4 games needing 8TF to run at native 4K.
Nope, we are getting a massive leap in CPU power and thus interactions, physics, ... and obviously much better graphic.
it just seems like insiders and media are trying to reignite hype for XSX, and handicap PS5 in order to do it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Surely its not just related to raw power but development tools/stacks and the level of control developers have over the system architecture.
- Status