So I know a lot there's a lot of consternation about the severity of sanctions on Russia due to economic blowback, but surely they can just go to town on Belarus right?
It's mostly "boomers" who still remember Soviet Days plus some people who remember and fear the chaotic 90s. However, majority don't think Stalin is great, don't want return to Tsars and Soviet Union and so on.No, but much like Trump with America he represents a disturbingly large portion of Russia. I still remember a disturbing article I read several years ago about how some absurd percentage of Russians think Stalin was just great.
But yes, it's easy to lose the reality that a large percentage of the Russian people don't agree with this bullshit. And it's tremendously brave of them to go out and do that on the day Putin himself warned anti-war protesters "could be" arrested.
Russian police is literally arresting citizens for protesting the war in CNN.. It's happening right in front of their cameras.
the German economy is generally concerned about EVERYTHING and the German political elite is generally concerned about the economy AT ALL TIMES.Makes sense. I just wonder what happens once the last 3 reactors go offline, would the mix go more toward gas?
Ok, makes sense. So most gas like folks previously stated is going toward home heating.
I also wonder if German industry is concerned due to things like Palladium likely spiking up (and aluminum, and other metals).
Russian police is literally arresting citizens for protesting the war in CNN.. It's happening right in front of their cameras.
Depends on your definition of do nothing. If do nothing is just sanctions and sending allies to NATO countries like you're saying, then yes we should do nothing. It is a no win situation and shitty for Ukranian people, but no one is going to start a WW3, nuclear or not, over a non-NATO ally.So do nothing then?
Yes I am sure they were blindsided, the only ones that were are not juiced in and Putin doesn't care about those, the ones he does would have known.
I don't want more death, but a few sanctions and words isn't going to do anything, and as for these "cyber attacks that will stop Russian trains etc" give me a break.
It's okay. The world is complex and interconnected enough now that lots of people know Russia and its people aren't a monolith - and certainly not all Putin.
What's your read on the ground level Russian perspective? No worries if that's nor appropriate or too anecdotal etc
Italy and Germany have a ton of Russian money tied up and other economic ties.This is driving me nuts how is this possible, it's no time to think about the economy we need to stop Russia at all costs.
Russia really is planning on a quick invasion in their minds. If anything, gives Ukraine more reason to resist as Russia might not have the will for a long campaign.
Maybe Putin going off the deep end will kill any chance Trump has of reelection in 2024.
they are always late with these speeches. never expect them to be on time
Oof, that sounds more concerned then Susan Collins about Trumps' shenanigans.the German economy is generally concerned about EVERYTHING and the German political elite is generally concerned about the economy AT ALL TIMES.
You have never seen someone love something the way a German politician loves the German economy.
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Significance of this is that it's 60 miles north of Kyiv, one of the shortest land routes from the Belarusian-Ukraine border (where Russia is moving troops in) to Kyiv. Low population density which makes it ideal. It's a staging ground for moving on the capital using the Hostomel military airfield.
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It is a quick route from Belarus to Kyiv, essentially. It also has an airstrip which can be used as a staging ground. It has tactical significance.
Ukraine should blow up the pipelines. F that.
Quite possibly, but if so then it'll take a while for a new consensus to form regarding acceptable interactions between state actors. Whatever that consensus might be, I think it's very unlikely that there'll be general acceptance that economic sanctions aren't okay or that cyberattacks are okay.I think unfortunately, conceptual lines have been obliterated given the events today.
I have the impression that Putin really thought it will work this quickly. That's the only explanation for going for this insanity now.
I've looked up the statistics for the heating market, it's a bit old (2017 on the right), but I don't think much changed.(...)
Ok, makes sense. So most gas like folks previously stated is going toward home heating.
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Unfortunately, its hard to hurt the ring leaders without hurting regular people; most of whom are even against the current "misadventure".This should set a precedent to follow instead of enforcing sanctions to hurt common people.
It's mostly "boomers" who still remember Soviet Days plus some people who remember and fear the chaotic 90s. However, majority don't think Stalin is great, don't want return to Tsars and Soviet Union and so on.
You guys realize it's cold in Europe right now without gas? Now, the problem isn't buying gas right now, is not changing stuff in these last years so they wouldn't have to buy gas from Russia.
Hopefully this means that things will change going forward, but expecting things to turn on a dime is unrealistic, problematic as it might be.
Oh sure, but again, that's not common with folks in their 40s and on down. Most people just want to live, work, have kids, be like a normal Western country. Hell, most Russians wouldn't have minded joining EU/NATO, but they are powerless and mostly fatalistic. It's like the Hong Kong example earlier in the thread.I think to some extent it's also about pining for the days when Russia was still a genuine world power, and not the crumbling kleptocracy it is now.
Natasha Bertrand
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Biden: "Today I'm authorizing additional strong sanctions and new limitations on what can be exported to Russia." Says "we have purposefully chosen these sanctions to maximize the long-term impact on Russia."
1:46 PM · Feb 24, 2022
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Natasha Bertrand
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NEW: Biden says, "today we're also blocking four more major banks. That means every asset they have in America will be frozen. This includes VTB, the second largest bank in Russia, which has $250 billion in assets."
1:48 PM · Feb 24, 2022
I was thinking the same thing. If they did that .... can you imagine the heat they would get from Russia???