Dammit.
If it won't be shorter overall, it looks like some publishers are jumping to next gen sooner vs this gen.
I've said it before, the first 2 years will be interesting.
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Dammit.
If it won't be shorter overall, it looks like some publishers are jumping to next gen sooner vs this gen.
I've said it before, the first 2 years will be interesting.
You should believe the years of generational transitions we've had already: old hardware always holds back the new.
yep, this has been done before. we saw titanfall and rise of tomb raider get ported down to the xbox 360 this gen. however, both games had a cross gen feel to it. tomb raider's level design was very last gen especially compared to the large open areas of uncharted and lost legacy. who knows how that wouldve translated.
titanfall looked dated when it launched, and was on the source code. And thats just the graphics, jaguar cores were basically on par with the ps3 and 360 CPUs. with next gen games utilizing the cpu, i dont know he well they will be able to scale down a game thats using a CPU thats 8x more powerful.
I don't know where this thinking came from. When the Xbox 360 and PS3 came out there wasn't as big a marketing and development effort towards cross gen titles. Despite 100 million sales for the PS2. Games were still developed for the PS2 up until I think 2014 but people moved on to the new gen. Same thing with the PS1 to PS2. No need to treat consoles like mobile phones that get updated every year. These are machines you have for 5-7 years. Had my PS2 from 2003-2007. Had my PS3 from 2007-2013. Had my PS4 from 2015-2020. I'll be keeping my XSX from 2020 -2026-2027 when the next gen comes out. And with BC there's more of an incentive to move forward.
I'm excited about playing current-gen games on new hardware
just visually speaking TLoU2 and RDR2 will take a while to be topped
Suspiciously looks like Shroud.
I'm not saying that Shroud is the child of Phil and Don, but I'm not not saying that either.
Precisely. Which is why the entire point of having first party studios is to have next gen games ready at launch. to give gamers a reason to upgrade because third parties wont.
The reason why Phil Spencer was given so much grief over this was because he was going against the grain here by saying the xbox first party would support the xbox one for two more years after launch. We know now that it wasnt entirely true since Halo was pretty much the only first party AAA title to be cross gen so it was kinda bizarre for him to even talk about this stuff.
The issue was that some major games that should have been a showcase of next gen would be held back by current gen. Halo Infinite is most likely proof of this. They should have changed development to focus on next gen then ported back to current gen, nw they've delayed the game because it looks nothing next gen. There have always been cross gen titles in previous gens but it wasn't as big of a deal because most major games focused on the new gen. Games were developed for PS2 up until 2014 but most major games were being developed on the PS3 and X360. No reason to launch a new gen with such a high emphasis on cross-gen especially when you have such a new revolution in storage(SSDs). It makes it even worse thinking about cross gen tbh.
Probably most, but most popular will be somewhat effected by price like in 2013. It will certainly help determine which, if any, I buy this Fall.
I remember Guerrilla Games said they wanted flying machines in Horizon ZD but eventually couldn't as the PS4 wasn't powerful enough. Now imagine there are flying machines in Horizon FW, but Guerrilla had to have a PS4 version... that would mean they would have to remove the flying sections to match.
Previous gen versions can definitely hold back games, but it also depends on the type of game.
Previous gen versions can definitely hold back games, but it also depends on the type of game.
Witcher 3 got gutted to run on PS4/XB1 before it was even released! Lmao.
I actually have no idea how far along the original version shown got, but it lives on as an infamous downgrade. Maybe the original version was bringing beastly PCs to their knees, who knows.
But something like The Witcher 3 or Doom was not developed with the Switch's specs in mind. Those were impressive ports done after the fact, which is fine. Like Dead Rising got a Wii port, but it took some serious reworking to get there. If the original release targeted the Wii the 360 version would have suffered.
Infamous was the first time i saw genuine next gen excitement on this forum. i remember how so many photomode threads were created for it. i believe they became so popular Sucker Punch patched in what would become a current gen staple.
I still remember this shot 6 years later.
which is weird because Ryse and KZSF had come out earlier and had phenomenal next gen graphics, but there was something about an open world game looking better than linear games that really blew people away.
Facts. I think we need another thread for this. Where did people rewrite the history of next gen titles. A lot say that true next gen games come out years later but its not true. Kill Zone and Ryse were next gen. Ryse looks better than a lot of games up to today.
Lmao. I can't tell with you sometimes..
I would like to see that actually, now that you mention it. Next gen games at 480p on XBO.
I think some may have missed John also mentioned the PS4.
Its time to move on. The games released in the last couple of years that the base consoles struggle with should be enough evidence. It's just that it's gonna be worse for Xbox games.
Infamous was the first time i saw genuine next gen excitement on this forum. i remember how so many photomode threads were created for it. i believe they became so popular Sucker Punch patched in what would become a current gen staple.
I still remember this shot 6 years later.
which is weird because Ryse and KZSF had come out earlier and had phenomenal next gen graphics, but there was something about an open world game looking better than linear games that really blew people away.
This looks amazing tbh for a game that launched roughly during the launch year. Ryse Son of Rome as well, looks unbelievably good in almost every aspect of the game. It's unbelievable. And it was a launch game. Next gen experiences can be delivered during launch.
Honestly saw this video and was surprised that these same statements are echoing now. Continuing support for current gen is good but video game consoles are not mobile phones. It's always better for these companies to focus on BC and move consumers over to the next gen with some cross gen support.
i think what this whole issue has clearly underlined is that when people say something is scale-able ..its in ref to framerate and rez ... all the typical things PC based gaming is familiar with.
i mean its just logical ... IF there was such a button .. why the hell do we need human game developers ? just hit that build game button every 12 mths and we are good. oh and fire all the humans
this kind of "upgrade" does not cut it for console gamers ...we expect game design to take generational leaps. there is no "scale up game and level design" button.
MS tried to manage expectations .. it blew up in their face PR wise as badly as the alwaysonline/kinect debacle last time
i mean its just logical ... IF there was such a button .. why the hell do we need human game developers ? just hit that build game button every 12 mths and we are good. oh and fire all the humans
this kind of "upgrade" does not cut it for console gamers ...we expect game design to take generational leaps. there is no "scale up game and level design" button.
MS tried to manage expectations .. it blew up in their face PR wise as badly as the alwaysonline/kinect debacle last time
Two things can be true- current gen consoles are holding back next gen graphics, and a lot of people are too broke to afford new consoles.
Man, this game was a god damn marvel at the time, I remember taking so many fucking pictures in photomode.Infamous was the first time i saw genuine next gen excitement on this forum. i remember how so many photomode threads were created for it. i believe they became so popular Sucker Punch patched in what would become a current gen staple.
I still remember this shot 6 years later.
which is weird because Ryse and KZSF had come out earlier and had phenomenal next gen graphics, but there was something about an open world game looking better than linear games that really blew people away.
You don't have to believe IGN. Believe common sense.
Developing for the lowest common denominator always means compromising your higher end ambitions in some form.
You hit the nail on it's head. It just feels like they have mixed up PC gaming with console gaming a bit in their strategies. This is 100% on point. It doesn't cut it for us to be honest. We want new experiences.
Series S and Series X both have better CPUs than PS5, right? If that's the case CPU-limited games would be held back by the PS5.
The big difference between S and X is the GPU, and I doubt games would be designed principally around the fidelity the S is capable of. Devs will probably make the games look good on X and PS5, then reduce the resolution/textures/etc to get it to run acceptably on the S.
I don't think the S will be holding back game design much this gen due to its GPU; stuff will just look worse on it. Based on what we know now the "lowest common denominators" affecting game design will probably be stuff like the PS5's CPU and Xbox's slower SSD.
Time will tell I guess.
Luck for us not a lot of people remember Ryse cuz you need to be more interesting than just visuals. I'll take a previous gen game with next gen upgrades over a game like Ryse.
Not true.
First next gen title was KZSF at launch.
Spring 2014 - Infamous Second Son
Fall 2014 - DriveClub
February 2015 - The Order
March 2015 - Bloodborne
Fall 2015 - Until Dawn - one of the lowkey best looking games on the PS4.
Ratchet - Looked straight up CGi. Released a month before Uncharted 4.
You missed out on a lot of next gen games this gen bruv.
It is just Marketing/Positioning and largely a red herring !
Believe Bill Stilwell !
Believe Bill Stilwell !
The PS5 CPU and XSX SSD won't hold back games as well. The PS5 could use unified L3 cache and thus save CPU cycles when getting data. Also considering the PS5's DMAC has one feature not present in the XSX DMA engines, the XSX CPU still has to do some tasks such as check in and load management to determine where in RAM the data the DMA controller is sending will be in RAM. So most likely the XSX and XSS CPU advantage over the PS5 will be negligible even when the variable frequency kicks in and drops the frequency in the PS5 CPU. The SSD as well seems like the XSX solution is sufficient. There is only 13-14 GB of RAM for games. The effective throughput of both devices with their customizations will be above 5GB/s(1-3 seconds to reload data, which won't always be the case due to locality and spatiality). The PS5 has the advantage here but the XSX/S will still be able to load into RAM virtually equivalent data thanks to SFS.
So for me the issue with XSS comes down to having devs spend time to create ports for XSX games onto the XSS. Is it really economically worth it to create games playing on last gen resolutions? I don't think so but the market will decide. And how will this affect development if the XSS outsells the XSX. Will devs still be incentivized to develop XSX first?
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Microsoft already have their lower-end "scalable" console in the XS, having a third tier that's tied to 7 year old hardware is extreme overkill. Especially when they're trying to sell a cloud service as well. Especially especially when they did the worst out of the big three this gen and have the least to lose in terms of audience carryover from the One. Literally, there hasn't been a better time to cut their losses and forge a path for the future of Xbox. Handicapping their AAA showcase titles just to hang on to the One stragglers and have one extra tick on the feature list is just dumb. The focus should be on making the best games possible.
I think there's a lot of people that remember Ryse! The terrible reputation of the Xbox One brand during launch didn't help but it was a solid showcase of graphics and the gameplay wasn't bad either.
Ryse looked incredible. it looked so good i played it all the way till the end despite hating every second of it. just like the order and kzsf.
Killer Instinct had some sick particle effects.
Forza 4 also looked very next gen.
Exactly this.
And a recent disappointment about 'Japanese Games'...
At this point I'm more inclined to believe an IGN guy who actually talked to developers.
Ryse looked incredible. it looked so good i played it all the way till the end despite hating every second of it. just like the order and kzsf.
Killer Instinct had some sick particle effects.
Forza 4 also looked very next gen.
These graphics are unbelievable tbh. I can't believe we have such powerful hardware this time. Better dev tools. I'm honestly excited to see what happens in the coming months. We need a real next gen launch line up.
I think it'd have to get a pretty significant delay for them to do that before release, like missing most if not all 2021, which I don't see happening. I do think it'll pretty quickly drop XB1 support after release, similar to how stuff like GTA Online did not long after it released on PS4, XB1 and PC (I think was like 6 months after PC).
Not true.
First next gen title was KZSF at launch.
Spring 2014 - Infamous Second Son
Fall 2014 - DriveClub
February 2015 - The Order
March 2015 - Bloodborne
Fall 2015 - Until Dawn - one of the lowkey best looking games on the PS4.
Ratchet - Looked straight up CGi. Released a month before Uncharted 4.
You missed out on a lot of next gen games this gen bruv.
Honestly hadn't seen Until Dawn before it looks unbelievable!! and RC looks as good as what was showcased with the PS5. Nota s many particle effects but it looks CGI as well.
My expectation is that Series S versions will be decent at the start of the gen and then become more and more of an afterthought as the gen progresses.
Sony making their exclusives PS5 only makes sense if you want to show off what your hardware can do.
Love Ryan, I'm a PS guy but listen to podcast unlocked + unfiltered on the regular, feel like he's one of the most level-headed, candid and seminal voices in gaming.
I had the privilege to play ratchet on my pro on a 1080p tv downsampled from 4k, and tbh it looked better downsampled than it did on my 4k tv that i bought a couple of months later. The downsampling eliminated all jaggies and gave it this thick AA that made it look like a Pixar movie. The IQ was perfect on a 1080p tv. i havent seen anything like it since.
Well..... until i saw this shot in Horizon on PS5.
Absolutely obvious.
The number of people falling over themselves in that "Phil says" thread thinking otherwise was a little embarrassing.
A game written in 2020 to run on a 2013 Jaguar processor is going to require some compromises. Let's see games designed for generation 9 consoles, and generation 9 SSDS.
The number of people falling over themselves in that "Phil says" thread thinking otherwise was a little embarrassing.
A game written in 2020 to run on a 2013 Jaguar processor is going to require some compromises. Let's see games designed for generation 9 consoles, and generation 9 SSDS.
I believe in cross-gen gaming but there is obviously a line in the sand that must be drawn.
Multiplayer has the most obvious cross-gen benefit. Without cross-gen compatibility the next generation user base will have a diminished experience, due to a much smaller number of users.
For single player games, being next-gen only is absolutely fine. Even so, not every next generation game is going to need the full power of these new consoles. There are still many game types which are perfectly fine for cross-gen. It's just a developer choice.
Multiplayer has the most obvious cross-gen benefit. Without cross-gen compatibility the next generation user base will have a diminished experience, due to a much smaller number of users.
For single player games, being next-gen only is absolutely fine. Even so, not every next generation game is going to need the full power of these new consoles. There are still many game types which are perfectly fine for cross-gen. It's just a developer choice.
now Microsoft really have no choice but I think they should have been prepared for a console launch and to this, they should have to designed some of his developers To start working in nextgen only games Like 2 or 3 years ago.
It was at least a bad management in my opinion.
Isn't this guy agreeing with Phil's original statement, games won't be held back by old hardware?
funny how in the conversation someone states MS need to show games to stop people being worried, and this conversation happened before Halo infinite gameplay.
lol......That's an awesome throwback video. You'd think we would know better by now when it comes to technological advances.......I guess not..lol
Well yeah, because pc games can scale and run on various machines. Look hot on one and barely run on another.
the problem arises when the series x version looks like the one x Version
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