It will definitely not be forgotten, studios will hesitate too work with MS since they can't be trusted and there Plattform is shaky ground.
Sarah Bond dodges questions on Xbox studio closures
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Send in the clowns...
It will be brutal seeing Ryan dodge asking every hard question, the questions will lost likely be prepped in advance.
Hellblade II has become irrelevant to them, imo, there's not even proper marketing for it, I feel like. It is what Hi-Fi Rush was for them, a "prestige game" that won't sell gangbusters and lead to the closure of the studio because Xbox's new strategy is Fallout and COD.
Unsure if that makes it better or worse tbh. The idea of high level execs like her being in the dark about these things…..Still a mess of a situation regardless.
I mean shit on MS and Xbox all you want for the Tango-closure but where is this "award-winning, hearts-conquering, mind-boggling" games output talk coming from ?
Hif-rush was a failure sales-wise (I bet it didn't even sell a million on steam, did it sell half a million atleast ?) and ghostwire tokyo was a mega-dud from all possible fronts. Some good gamepass numbers don't offset what's clear hard facts in front of you.
Hif-rush was a failure sales-wise (I bet it didn't even sell a million on steam, did it sell half a million atleast ?) and ghostwire tokyo was a mega-dud from all possible fronts. Some good gamepass numbers don't offset what's clear hard facts in front of you.
And how much sales is that exactly ? Is it not terribly low (look at the total no. of reviews) ? The game failed to gain any sort of big traction in the mainstream for how good it was.
And glad you ignored ghostwire tokyo altogether lmao
Virtually every game Microsoft has put out has been a failure sales wise.
Hi-Fi Rush did win a lot of awards though. Which you can't really say about other things Microsoft has put out the past few years.
I started playing Hi-Fi Rush after the news dropped and the game is fantastic, it's a mix of good gameplay, visuals, characters, music... it has a strong personality/sould unlike plently of other games. This is a devastating news, Tango truly was a great studio.
I don't know how much sales that is, but I know that Forza Motorsport is much worse (6000 mixed reviews) and has always had much less players than Hi-Fi Rush ever had.
Let's go close Turn10, they're making bad games no one likes.
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Much of all Microsoft games are failures both critically and sales wise, Hi-Fi Rush is standing out because it didn't.
That isn't what you said. You're moving the goalposts now.
It was on Game Pass. I don't know what point you're trying to make other than dismissing the first game Xbox had in GOTY discussions since probably the 360 era.
tbh it gain traction a lot but gamepass and shadow dropping the game does killed it sales potential, in august it has 6 million players and it sold like 770k
unlike GAAS this is 12 hours one and done game that even 14 days gamepass trial players could complete it easily then never touch gamepass forever
if it sold less because of xbox strategic and marketing decision I wouldnt put blame on them
He is on the fan-level of Jez and TimDog.
Xbox and especially Phil Spencer can't do no wrong and this is part of a greater plan.
Most questions will be about his shirt collection and what the hidden messages mean.
And how sad he was about people nuking his fallout camp.
You can't hurt that poor man so much!
People please have feelings for Phil Spencer!
Hi-Fi Rush literally got awards that were earned thanks to its good quality.
Something you can actually build up on in the future and turn this into a big franchise like a good publisher that throws billions at everything would do.
Like outside of the Forza Horizon Studio nothing was matching them in the past decade because Halo,Gears and everything else is just not up there in terms of quality.
They wanted to finally get a 90+ rated game and the studio delivered.
They finally had a game that was taken serious at GOTY discussions.
Everything else would have come with trust and actual marketing for a potential sequel.
If it weren't for past glory of games from over a decade ago Starfield wouldn't have sold shit either.
And that game was actually bad and low quality.
Meanwhile Todd Howard is keeping his job unlike those that actually delivered a good game.
You asked where the award winning talk is coming from, someone posted a tweet showing the awards. That doesn't translate to a sales number.
MS said Hi Fi hit all of their performance metrics.
Wow, she came unprepared.
So she gets the interviews after studio closures, Spencer gets the interview with boolicker Ryan McCaffrey after the showcase. Speaks volumes...
(And in her defense, I bet she had no clue what mess was about to happen when she worte that Tango Happy 14th tweet)
So she gets the interviews after studio closures, Spencer gets the interview with boolicker Ryan McCaffrey after the showcase. Speaks volumes...
(And in her defense, I bet she had no clue what mess was about to happen when she worte that Tango Happy 14th tweet)
Game that shadowdrops onto a subscription service has fewer sales than a traditionally launched game?
Damn that's crazy how did Microsoft not see that coming.
If Hi-Fi Rush was moderately successful, but Xbox closed Tango anyway, that means Xbox crippled their leg while claiming they want to move forward.
If Hi-Fi Rush was a commercial failure, then Tango was closed, then you can't trust anything they say, because there's no way sales aren't included in "all key measurements and expectations".
Great job
If Hi-Fi Rush was a commercial failure, then Tango was closed, then you can't trust anything they say, because there's no way sales aren't included in "all key measurements and expectations".
Great job
Funniest thing about sales arguments is that hi fi rush probably didn't even do bad sales wise.
According to steamdb it's somewhere between 500k and 700k and it probably sold some on PS5 and even xbox. so I would guess it was close to a mil.
It sold SIGNIFICANTLY better than forza on steam and probably cost significantly less to produce.
According to steamdb it's somewhere between 500k and 700k and it probably sold some on PS5 and even xbox. so I would guess it was close to a mil.
It sold SIGNIFICANTLY better than forza on steam and probably cost significantly less to produce.
There is no way that Microsoft closes these studios on a whim. The reason Arkane was working on a patch is because these employees don`t get the privilige of knowing that they are going to lose their job ahead of time, so things are going to be business as usual until the axe drops.
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Twisting the conversation into 'look at how successful the fallout TV show was!' did not sit right with me. These are people's jobs, people's lives and what's left of the fanbase wants to know what the vision is.
I really hope fans get more clarity soon, because it's hard to see what the plan is when studios that are capable of making highly rated games are shut down.
I really hope fans get more clarity soon, because it's hard to see what the plan is when studios that are capable of making highly rated games are shut down.
A couple of awards don't mean anything to any big company when it doesn't translate into sales. Its not rocket science people lol.
Also I love how everyone chooses to not focus on Ghostwire coz you know it will destroy any point that you're trying to make about Tango closure.
I might be wrong on this but I think I remember reading how Mikami left and took key members with him so Tango was already crippled personnel-wise.
Also I love how everyone chooses to not focus on Ghostwire coz you know it will destroy any point that you're trying to make about Tango closure.
I might be wrong on this but I think I remember reading how Mikami left and took key members with him so Tango was already crippled personnel-wise.
Just get Bobby back to run the gaming division. At least he's an honest ghoul. I hate these mealy mouthed word-salad fuckers.
None of their games have actually been selling though.
And no one's focusing on Ghostwire Tokyo because realistically, Sony already paid for timed exclusivity so that already gave them money to offset some lower sales. Plus Hi-Fi Rush was the one that was critically acclaimed.
Mikami left on his own because he felt the studio would be safe under Microsoft and that they didn't need his name to stay open. 1 year later, this happens.
What are you even trying to argue right now? And please stop spreading bullshit about Mikami leaving just to prop up your own argument. Ironic you're calling people out but using unsubstantiated information so you can look like you're making a valid argument. Stop, it's obnoxious.
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Ghostwire was partially financed by Sony's 1 year exclusivity deal, so not as important if it did badly (we don't know how much bad it did, but even then it has more reviews than Forza motorsport), that's the point of exclusivity deals.
But also remember that studios like Compulsion games that have 59 meta titles in their pedigree and bought out since 2018 never released a title since their buy-out.
I'm not here wishing for other studios to close down, but Tango definitely wasn't the one to take the closure first in the line if we're being fair.
you think any "journalist" will ask phil & co any hard hitting questions? the only person that would do that, is jeff gerstmann. and he sure as hell is getting no interview. all these people will hype ms through the roof, after they dropped some cg teasers at their showcase.
It hit every performance target they had for it, why are you trying to argue it did not sell well when they publicly stated it did what they expected.
It was said Tango got closed because they weren't doing any active projects and were in the process of pitching.
Why was Ghostwire Tokyo sequel in the roadmap of Xbox in the FTC Leak, then? Do they put games that are not pitched in a roadmap?
Because roadmaps are projected until they are fully realised.
"Why not close this other studio, see no sales there either" is whataboutism and does not hold any real value in trying to ascertain the problem at hand.
For all you know, those other studios will be cut soon as well.
I never said to close other studios. Merely that if sales were the main factor for a studio to not get closed, then virtually all of their studios failed that.
And that's probably mostly due to management, not the studios themselves.
It was said Tango got closed because they weren't doing any active projects and were in the process of pitching.
Why was Ghostwire Tokyo sequel in the roadmap of Xbox in the FTC Leak, then? Do they put games that are not pitched in a roadmap?
It's highly likely that the far away games on that list were just intended to represent the cadence of releases they could expect from the studios. It's more optimistic than "Unknown Tango Gameworks Project #1" because it's basically what they will logically be expected to work on if the first game is a success, but it's not a project they've done anything more than vaguely pencil into a calendar as a placeholder.
Dishonoured 3 was also a project that Arkane Austin was only recently pitching, despite also appearing on this roadmap.
YOU asked about the awards, so people showed you where that talk was coming from.
Are you just making the point that the studio should have been shut down?
To be fair that list was basically a rough roadmap sketch from before MS acquired Bethesda. Ghostwire 2 could have easily been dropped after the first game flopped.
It was said Tango got closed because they weren't doing any active projects and were in the process of pitching.
Why was Ghostwire Tokyo sequel in the roadmap of Xbox in the FTC Leak, then? Do they put games that are not pitched in a roadmap?
But you seem to pick and choose whatever random said on twitter?