Scott Pilgrim Takes Off creator criticizes streaming dumps: "Imagine if the whole season of X-Men 97 was out "
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Weekly releases are better for the show. Not necessarily the viewer, but conversations around binge dropped shows are always just sort of annoying. You've got to work to avoid spoilers and are never on the same page with people, and it ends up making everything feel shorter lived because the people that are most excited about it watch it in an afternoon and then are done talking about it by the time everyone else is done.
Very much on team weekly drop. I finish way more shows that are weekly drops. I know I can parse out the binge shows and watch them whenever I want, but there's this weird overwhelming feeling I get when a show drops at once. People start asking me if I've watched it yet, and I feel pressured, and then by the time a week goes by I feel like I either know everything about the show or everyone has moved on to the next thing. Weekly drops are more manageable, and allow for more fun discussion. I really wish Fallout was a weekly drop
I will say though that I was spoiled on this show within a couple hours of it releasing, so there's that.
The audience of folks who are into Scott Pilgrim would watch no matter what so for them the conversation/speculation thing is fair, but for the casual audience that Netflix tends to want to cater for the weekly model wouldn't do much and I feel they'd be less likely to continue with it if they dipped their toes in with episodes 1 or 2 dropping at first then waiting for other episodes to drop weekly after.
As for the topic of binge drop at once vs weekly releases, my opinion is as SanTheSly said, "If you only want to consume an episode a week and join in a specific community's per-episode discussion of it, you can still do that. The onus is now just on you to make that call." Similar for anyone who cites spoilers, the onus is on them to avoid things when they know something is releasing.
personally, agree. I have a dislike for binging. I don't think I've binged a show since maybe cobra kai season 2? and I think we were sick at the time.
how can you possibly digest a show when you binge it?
it just becomes 'how does it end' and there's no space to be contemplative about the show or think through anything, there's no impact, no lasting power, no discussion, discourse, internal monologue, all the cool parts of making a story meaningful (to me anyway).
FWIW, my wife disagrees, she likes to binge the more trashy side of stuff, and it used to be a struggle, but now we've agreed to just watch 1 tv show together a night, so that's 1 hour, and we spend it on one show at a time, and honestly, it's been great. i can't imagine watching something like 3 body problem in 2 days, the show wouldn't work for me, no impact, no thinking, just ... stuff happening.
how can you possibly digest a show when you binge it?
it just becomes 'how does it end' and there's no space to be contemplative about the show or think through anything, there's no impact, no lasting power, no discussion, discourse, internal monologue, all the cool parts of making a story meaningful (to me anyway).
FWIW, my wife disagrees, she likes to binge the more trashy side of stuff, and it used to be a struggle, but now we've agreed to just watch 1 tv show together a night, so that's 1 hour, and we spend it on one show at a time, and honestly, it's been great. i can't imagine watching something like 3 body problem in 2 days, the show wouldn't work for me, no impact, no thinking, just ... stuff happening.
For the cream of the crop, a weekly schedule is better, because I value the conversation of a great show. The conversation in OTs are easier to follow if we're all on the same schedule.
Like The Bear is a great show, but the conversation is messy and those threads suffer because of the dump.
Like The Bear is a great show, but the conversation is messy and those threads suffer because of the dump.
With anime series they usually start airing before the later episodes are finished.
In order to dump all the episodes at once, they'd have to delay the airing. That's bad for the people who like weekly releases and doesn't really benefit the people who like to binge.
I have to say I prefer weekly. Builds anticipation and there's nothing quite like loving a show so much that every weekly drop feels like a treat. Plus it's harder to get spoiled compared to dumps.
The only thing that makes weekly watches superior is that we have SO MUCH content that everything needs to exist for longer than a week or two to find traction. Everything else is just people's personal tastes.
The binge model creates disposable pop culture.
The guy who made a show and watched its public awareness plunge shortly after the binge drop is wrong?
Weekly is where it's at. If I want to binge, then I can hold off and wait until all the episodes have dropped.
Weekly is best of both worlds.People who want to binge just have to wait a few weeks.
With some shows I want to be part of the weekly discussion and catch the memes etc. and sometimes I just want to binge a show over a weekend. Weekly releases let me do both.
With some shows I want to be part of the weekly discussion and catch the memes etc. and sometimes I just want to binge a show over a weekend. Weekly releases let me do both.
All shows should drop at once. Maybe it's not a correct business model, but I think that the way streaming companies rate "engagement" and value is the real problem.
I always just wait until all episodes are out and then binge anyway. I hate watching week to week.
Binging is the better model from a consumer standpoint, weekly is better from a content creator/owner standpoint.
I don't watch weekly and never will. It's just a way to get more dollars paying for a service you may not care for (hello, Amazon, Max, Disney) and you lose context between episodes. You can certainly "breathe" with binging, as no one's forcing you to watch the entire series in one sitting. I watch maybe one episode a day, depending on the day and can process things just fine. I don't read books all in one sitting either and that "binging" model works fine.
I don't need to discuss the episodes with my coworkers or friends because we live in a near infinite media world where most people are watching different things anyway.
Dumping X-Men 97 all at once would be great and spare me the expense of paying for Disney+, a service with sparse new content. Scott Pilgrim didn't suffer from the model; it just serves a niche audience and came twenty years later after the prime of the series' (it was okay, not great).
I don't watch weekly and never will. It's just a way to get more dollars paying for a service you may not care for (hello, Amazon, Max, Disney) and you lose context between episodes. You can certainly "breathe" with binging, as no one's forcing you to watch the entire series in one sitting. I watch maybe one episode a day, depending on the day and can process things just fine. I don't read books all in one sitting either and that "binging" model works fine.
I don't need to discuss the episodes with my coworkers or friends because we live in a near infinite media world where most people are watching different things anyway.
Dumping X-Men 97 all at once would be great and spare me the expense of paying for Disney+, a service with sparse new content. Scott Pilgrim didn't suffer from the model; it just serves a niche audience and came twenty years later after the prime of the series' (it was okay, not great).
It certainly is with D+, HBO at least is airing shows on real tv still
What's stopping people from watching it week to week even though it's dropped all in one day? Give people choices. You want to watch all of them in one day? Great. You want to space them out? Great do it.
I think I get it, but man it really depends because there are shows that I enjoy more because I can power through them in one or two sittings versus those where having some breathing room works. I guarantee, if X-Men 97 dropped all at once, even without knowing what the rest of the season holds, the conversation around the last episode wouldn't be as heightened. For a show like that, it makes sense to want a weekly drop - hindsight being 20/20 and all that.
Conversely, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed Parasyte The Grey nearly as much if it was a weekly drop. I polished it off in a weekend and enjoyed it quite a bit since I could do so at my pace.
Conversely, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed Parasyte The Grey nearly as much if it was a weekly drop. I polished it off in a weekend and enjoyed it quite a bit since I could do so at my pace.
Of course you can, but if it's all released at once it kills a lot of the disucssion and excitement that is there when a show is released week to week.
If that's not important to you that's great. But there is something lost there.
Television series as a format was built around weekly schedules and seasons and was that way for 65 years before Netflix came along with their binge model. Series are still structured that way. Otherwise, why have individual episodes of similar lengths? Hell…some shows even still have "commercial breaks" even though there aren't commercials, simply because the format works better with built in breaks in the action.
An argument could be made that binge watching and full season drops should lead to a rethinking of how shows are written and formatted, but overall, most shows work better with weekly or limited episode drops.
I don't think this is true. I think if you care about a show, having the show have a better chance of success for the show to continue is still in the interest of the consumer.
The opposite is true, actually. With the Netflix model very few casuals are checking in to begin with. Which is exactly why the creator of the show is upset. When a good show airs weekly, the word of mouth gets to build for two months, drawing new people in the entire time.
Watching Fallout and I think about this every single episode. You can't build organic buzz by dumping hours and hours of television at once. Instead of people posting and the ole "making content" about an episode weekly, it is people that watched an unholy amount of television in a matter of a few days saying "sure, i guess". I looked at the Fallout thread on day two and it was a true wasteland of spoilered messages from every episode on a single page. Just makes no sense to do it that way to me for the health of the show or the companies involved making them.
This summer when House of the Dragon S2 is airing weekly for 2 months it will be in constant conversation. No matter how amazing the entirety of this first season of Fallout could be, it won't be still buzzing in 2 months. People that want to watch 8 hours straight of tv will get the opportunity when everything has been released but you can never create that week to week buzz around your show.
This summer when House of the Dragon S2 is airing weekly for 2 months it will be in constant conversation. No matter how amazing the entirety of this first season of Fallout could be, it won't be still buzzing in 2 months. People that want to watch 8 hours straight of tv will get the opportunity when everything has been released but you can never create that week to week buzz around your show.
? How do kdramas and cdramas work, don't they usually come out on TV weekly in their countries?
It's true. Dumping it all at once is super dumb.
I hated binging OPLA in one day, but I had to fucking lock myself into my room for 6 hours and do it to avoid spoilers and discuss it with people.
One episode per week has worked just fine for 60 years and it works fine now. I'm loving X-Men 97 and Shogun at one per week.
I hated binging OPLA in one day, but I had to fucking lock myself into my room for 6 hours and do it to avoid spoilers and discuss it with people.
One episode per week has worked just fine for 60 years and it works fine now. I'm loving X-Men 97 and Shogun at one per week.
You know what's worse than just a full dump of a season?
When the show is getting streamed weekly somewhere but you can't watch it because Netflix doesn't to and will just drop the whole thing like a bad habit with no fanfare and you're left with a show that can only be binged but you will never know when or if you get the next part because fuck you.
Yeah, still salty over Jojo P6.
If for some reason you wanna watch the 7Deadly sins, good luck shit is getting on Netflix when they feel like it and you'll get what you get with no promo or anything.
It's the dumbest shit ever.
And sometimes you never get the next part at all, wanna watch Attack on Titan on Netflix US?
You'll watch S1 and that's it, fuck you and get Crunchyroll if you want the rest.
When the show is getting streamed weekly somewhere but you can't watch it because Netflix doesn't to and will just drop the whole thing like a bad habit with no fanfare and you're left with a show that can only be binged but you will never know when or if you get the next part because fuck you.
Yeah, still salty over Jojo P6.
If for some reason you wanna watch the 7Deadly sins, good luck shit is getting on Netflix when they feel like it and you'll get what you get with no promo or anything.
It's the dumbest shit ever.
And sometimes you never get the next part at all, wanna watch Attack on Titan on Netflix US?
You'll watch S1 and that's it, fuck you and get Crunchyroll if you want the rest.
If people were cancelling subs for that (in enough numbers) Netflix would have changed long ago
It was worse than that. They released three giant dumps where each dump was effectively a year apart from one another. Poor Stone Ocean, it deserved better.
On the one hand, having to sit on the Scott Is Dead twist for an entire week would be a fantastic hype generator. Everything's changed, what's gonna happen next??
On the other hand, the show we got was absolutely incapable of paying off that level of hype. Uhhh what happens next is all the bad guys go to therapy and future scott responds to mean tweets
On the other hand, the show we got was absolutely incapable of paying off that level of hype. Uhhh what happens next is all the bad guys go to therapy and future scott responds to mean tweets
Yeah…that's going to be Star Trek Prodigy too. It's already aired in France, and Netflix is just going to dump it all and it will have like a weekend of spotlight.
That's fine for a show like Game of Thrones or The Last of Us for example, but Scott Pilgrim is small and extremely niche compared to those so I don't believe the same effect would apply.
What people don't want to hear is that shows were subsidized by ads and people hate ads.