What is he gonna do? It's his court!
It would be admitting that he doesn't have the power to shape the courts like he argued he did.
SCOTUS rules against Trump administration in challenge to decision to end #DACA program
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What is he gonna do? It's his court!
It would be admitting that he doesn't have the power to shape the courts like he argued he did.
The thing is, that Trump and co tried to play off ending DACA as something they had no choice in 'because it was unconstitutional', but that it made them feel bad doing because they 'felt' for the people who were brought here as children illegally through no fault of their own.
The reason they messaged it like that is because DACA has bipartisan support from voters. That's why I think he'll probably be too cowardly to kill it now that such rhetoric has fallen on its face.
But given how racist he is, and given how he seems to only really care about the base anymore, I can't rule out him having another go at it.
Nah. Roberts is just a Bush appointee who is more dedicated to the rule of law that pushing conservative issues like the other conservative members. Roberts is very focused on the court's image and civility in general. To the point that he usually makes the prosecution and defense refer to each other as "my friend" during cases. It's safe to say that Roberts must hate what Trump represents more than him becoming more moderate. The Chief Justice has no intention of allowing himself to be a blind conservative "win" as the swing vote.
The whole conservative plan to chase Kennedy into retirement in order to replace him with Kavanaugh has been slightly muted because Roberts likes having a swing vote on important cases (that said, the court still regularly goes 5-4 conservative on less high profile cases)
He probably doesn't want the Supreme Court to become more of a joke than it already is.
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And with full control of the legislative branch on the first half of your term, lol.
If he is somehow re-elected you can bet your bottom dollar they will do away with DACA. The ruling more or less provides a guideline on how to do it. So we need to go out and vote.
The gist I'm getting is that had a competent Republican administration done this, the ruling would've gone the other way.
It was overturned simply because Trump is a buffoon.
It was overturned simply because Trump is a buffoon.
Yeah.
They're not saying they can't rescind DACA, but the way I'm seeing it, they have to have a valid reason to do so, and it has to be executed in a fair and equitable manner, because this directly involves the wellbeing of thousands upon thousands of families.
I don't see what the legal basis would be for the SCOTUS to release against releasing Trump's taxes... Again, it's not his personal taxes (though, we could discover that as the process moves forward) it's at the request of a criminal investigation into his organization. Unless the argument that not only is Trump exempt from legal jeopardy, but his companies are as well.
This is where we also sort of lucked out on Gorsuch because he isn't actually a social conservative. 99% of "textualists" would not have conceded to the argument, but Gorsuch seems like a true libertarian instead of dogmatic so he bit.
"Who will protect your rights"
Uhhh Ben? How does supporting DACA infringe on anyone's rights exactly?
Yes. He'd actually do it within whatever rules needed, and it'll be gone for good. Him being gone is critical if someone wants DACA to continue while also having the possibility of outright citizenship.
This was from November, not sure if this played into it:
www.cnn.com
DACA advocates tailor their appeal to Chief Justice John Roberts -- with his own words
Lawyers trying to save an Obama-era program that defers the deportation of certain undocumented young adults are strategically directing their arguments to one man: Chief Justice John Roberts.
www.cnn.com
Im glad Roberts cares about his self-image more than his ideology
seriously tho, this is really good news. I personally know one dreamer and this just makes me glad for her and for so many people. Hopefully Biden pushes for further and significant immigration reform if he wins.
seriously tho, this is really good news. I personally know one dreamer and this just makes me glad for her and for so many people. Hopefully Biden pushes for further and significant immigration reform if he wins.
HAHA DONAD!
HOLD THAT L!
The right to be a racist piece of sewer rot.
HOLD THAT L!
The right to be a racist piece of sewer rot.
In his twisted fucked up mind it infringes on his "right" to remove brown people from the country.
Bush's only good legacy is putting Roberts on the supreme court. He could very well be the Kennedy of his generation.
Here's the thing, if you believe a law or whatever put in place by the former administration is illegal... you send it to the courts. The supreme court will rule on it, and if they agree that it *is* illegal, then it will be struck down.
That's how it's supposed to work. That's always been how it's supposed to work.
Heck, if you think you have the votes to update or change any law, then do that. But if your argument is 'this is illegal' the courts are the ones who should make that determination. Thomas, as is often the case, is full of shit.
That's how it's supposed to work. That's always been how it's supposed to work.
Heck, if you think you have the votes to update or change any law, then do that. But if your argument is 'this is illegal' the courts are the ones who should make that determination. Thomas, as is often the case, is full of shit.
yup thats the main difference ive seen with Republicans and "Democrats"
republicans will hold their nose and vote for trump all day every day because of the supreme court and federal justices. I'll never forget, i was in Orlando Florida in October 2016 and im walking out of the building and this group of white guys were standing around talking and one of them says something along the lines of trump sucks but we have to have the supreme court. Meanwhile dems here are like hmm idunno if joe biden is liberal enough for me to vote for.
not American but this and the LGBT decision bring some hope for the country, yes? i hope some day the whole SC is liberal leaning.
now where's Trump's taxes??? what happened to that?
now where's Trump's taxes??? what happened to that?
This Supreme Court might be hostile to the Left but they are clearly having none of Trump's shit so for that they get credit.
Thank you!
Amazing, and nice to see Roberts join the progressives in two consecutive consequential rulings. I do believe that if Roberts weren't chief justice, he wouldn't be so flexible. He doesn't want "The Roberts Court" to be seen as historically regressive, but mixed, tip-toeing on the rail.
Of course I can't help but bring it back to politics -- Paradoxically, though, this is like a political bailout for Republicans and Trump. DACA is a very popular program, most Americans think that DACA recipients should be given some sort of permanent status or citizenship, and if the Trump admin won this case it would put the pressure on Trump to go ahead and revoke status for DACA recipients, something that only the narrowest, most xenophobic part of his base really wants him to do.
The Biden camp has to start rolling out the ads about how Trump wanted to revoke status, immoral AND unconstitutional. Really pin this on him. THey can't let Trump off the hook for this politically, because it's one of those issues that Trump is slithery on ... In interviews, he always says he is with DACA recipients and he wants legislation from Congress to address DACA, but in practice, his administration has continually tried to strip protected status from them, and it's opposed all legislation that Congress has offered on DACA.
Joe Biden should come out and say that on the first day of his presidency hes going to issue an executive order extending status for DACA recipients, and then ask congress for legislation that he;ll sign within his first 100 days extending permanent status to DACA recipients.
Amazing, and nice to see Roberts join the progressives in two consecutive consequential rulings. I do believe that if Roberts weren't chief justice, he wouldn't be so flexible. He doesn't want "The Roberts Court" to be seen as historically regressive, but mixed, tip-toeing on the rail.
Of course I can't help but bring it back to politics -- Paradoxically, though, this is like a political bailout for Republicans and Trump. DACA is a very popular program, most Americans think that DACA recipients should be given some sort of permanent status or citizenship, and if the Trump admin won this case it would put the pressure on Trump to go ahead and revoke status for DACA recipients, something that only the narrowest, most xenophobic part of his base really wants him to do.
The Biden camp has to start rolling out the ads about how Trump wanted to revoke status, immoral AND unconstitutional. Really pin this on him. THey can't let Trump off the hook for this politically, because it's one of those issues that Trump is slithery on ... In interviews, he always says he is with DACA recipients and he wants legislation from Congress to address DACA, but in practice, his administration has continually tried to strip protected status from them, and it's opposed all legislation that Congress has offered on DACA.
Joe Biden should come out and say that on the first day of his presidency hes going to issue an executive order extending status for DACA recipients, and then ask congress for legislation that he;ll sign within his first 100 days extending permanent status to DACA recipients.
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I'm honestly really surprised. I wasn't expecting this at all. I'm going to dig into the decision now.
