For what it's worth, Ghost of Tsushima is about as far from a Soulslike as you can possibly get! The closest similarly-themed game to the show which is actually a Soulslike is the recently-released Rise of the Rōnin.
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Shōgun |OT| An Epic Saga Of War, Passion And Power Set In Feudal Japan
- Thread starter DinkyDev
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For what it's worth, Ghost of Tsushima is about as far from a Soulslike as you can possibly get! The closest similarly-themed game to the show which is actually a Soulslike is the recently-released Rise of the Rōnin.
You probably meant Sekiro.
....which I haven't played either and I DID like Bloodborne. Another one for the list!
I really hope this gets a 4k release, it's a beautiful looking show. Hulu's audio doesnt sound as good to me as some other services like Apple TV, so Id rewatch just for improved sound alone.
Jesus....do you guys think maybe toranaga gave the command to have that done in order to push everyone against ishido or am I thinking too deeply on this? Seems like that doing that would PISS everyone off and turn every lord against ishido and Ochiba so it would be more destructive than just letting them go
You're 100% right. I might need to look into this after all.
Thanks and thanks as well SFLUFAN .
Speaking of Shogun - I feel like Sanada isn't getting much attention, but he's been great, IMO.
Mariko clearly is there to rile up the upper class by pushing Ishido to a lose lose situation where he either openly states no one's leaving than the others can drop the pretense of playing dumb that they are hostage or let them go then everyone goes and he loses all leverage
He also can't kill or let Mariko get kill since she's a noble from a prestigious family and she's a guest as well it looks bad on him
Also shes Christian
And since Toranaga made a point about Yabu being predictable he probably counted on him betraying them and Mariko took the opportunity to sacrifice herself
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Well yeah. It's the final episode.
You call it a season finale even though there is only one season.
Ishido , trying to extricate himself from Toranaga's high stakes trap, has kinda shot himself in the foot.
I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture in the 1600s but honor and shame were huge parts of it. If Ishido fails in his sacred oath to the Taiko as lord of Osaka castle and custodian of the heir, he brings shame to himself.
In the context of this episode, what will likely happen is the Japanese nobility, after hearing about Mariko's death while a guest of Ishido, is not going to be sympathetic to him anymore against his power-hungry rival. This is HUGE for Toranaga. Ishido may try to brush it off all he wants, but his actions have alienated the honor-obsessed samurai class and made Toranaga more palatable to them in comparison..to this peasant who clearly knows nothing of honor, while Mariko is a goddess and a bushido legend who reflects very well on Toranaga. If that's who he surrounds himself with, then he must be honorable as well, right?
Ishido better eliminate Toranaga immediately or he can kiss his ass goodbye.
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Somebody please tell me the finale is at least 80 minutes long 😭. I am not ready for this to end.
My interpretation of the line was "different but familiar" or "different but still beautiful". A single blemish in a perfect garden, but still elegant. The line was himself, sticking out from the crowd, against the grain but still can be part of the whole and add something unique to it.
He isn't Catholic or Japanese, and thought the entire thing was stupid, but wanted her to have somebody to do it so she didn't suffer.
I think it's a visual representation of their constant arguments about life and death. Mariko's opinions on life, and particularly death, are flexible, while John's are rigid towards the concept of death, fighting it at every turn in this show and episode, thus the unyielding straight line, clashing among these rippling patterns that rise and fall.
For Marilo she doesn't want to doom herself to Hell so she needs a second the kill her. It also shows a level of trust and support that Marino didn't have in that moment. She had asked him to not interfere and offering to be there as her second shows he supports her despite not agreeing with her. Showing he respects her enough to support her Japanese and Catholic beliefs which he has struggled with throughout the show at basically every turn.
We've got to get some Fuji for the finale right? They wouldn't do us dirty like that and not have her show up.
What a fantastic episode, a true emotional roller coaster, multiple outstanding moments. Best episode of the season for me and it has good competition. I can't believe the finale is here. Really was not expecting much of this show going in, never have read the books. I am HOOKED. I have been trying to get my friends to watch it.
To add to what the others have written.
He's a Christian, so he knows how conflicted the act of suicide would make her.
He did not want her to be alone in her final moments.
Comitting seppukku with a second is also a safety net. When stabbing yourself you do NOT go for the heart so it will take some time before you die with all your intestines spilling out. Also, you might not have the strength to do the slice, so you end up being in great pain with an abdominal wound and NOT die which would be a great dishonor.
So the second makes sure it happens and that you don't suffer. They are there for you to keep your honor.
Well, Blackthorne doesn't know though :-D
After one whole episode with zero Toranaga, I think we are going to get a lot of big T for the final episode.
Who would be unhappy his student was killed because of a betrayal
People were saying that? Woof!
Not knowing anything about these historical events I would have thought Mariko would make it to S2. Now y'all telling me there isn't going to be a S2? Fuck.
To add to this, seppuku is either murder or suicide, depending on how you interpret it. John is also a Christian (despite being Protestant) and murder is also a mortal sin. Mercy killings are still considered murder by the Church of England (like, even today).
So by his faith, he is condemning himself to hell as a murderer to prevent a Catholic from condemning themselves to hell by suicide.
This is why he says, "Hell is no place I haven't already known".
Well he is a pirate sorry privateer
He's no stranger to murder
Those last 15 minutes holy fuck, after saying all season he is not a warrior blackthorn seriously threw down when it mattered. And Mariko with her hodor holding the door moment… ugh. I'm tearing up. This show is magic, like I think it's serious going to be considered one of those underrated gems of peak tv like the leftovers was.
can someone explain the last few moments of ep 9 for me?
why would ishido sent assassins to grab mariko while she's still in the castle?
isn't it a simpler and better choice to send yabushige to assassinate them while on the road outside of osaka?
everyone's gonna point at ishido now since this all happens while mariko and co are still in the castle
this move of sending ninjas really dont make any sense
isn't it a simpler and better choice to send yabushige to assassinate them while on the road outside of osaka?
everyone's gonna point at ishido now since this all happens while mariko and co are still in the castle
this move of sending ninjas really dont make any sense
Doing it on the road would not work.
Mariko being sent to get Toranaga's ladies is pretty much a cover story. She is being sent to get ALL the hostages out because their presence is what prevents Toranaga from making alliances against Ishido. If she is seen to leave officially, then everyone will want to leave AND feel that they obviously should be allowed to when a putative opponent of Ishido gets the permission.
Abducting Mariko before she leaves on the other hand makes Ishido able to take advantage of the uncertainty. Shinobi breached Ishido's castle - who sent them? Who was their target? Were they sent by Toranaga? Was it an attempt on the heirs life? Did Mariko let them in? Were some of Ishido's guards killed in the attack (diverts the blame)?
Doing the abduction in the castle was incredibly risky but also the only place to do it. He had to make the other hostages afraid of leaving. They will of course still be afraid of leaving but now none of them can keep up the pretence of them enjoying the hospitality of the heir/being protected by Ishido.
Let's not forget, Ishido and Toranaga are NOT officially at war. But now Ishido has (inadvertently, but that does not matter) killed a guest in his own home. Someone who was under his protection, as are all the other hostages.
Mariko being sent to get Toranaga's ladies is pretty much a cover story. She is being sent to get ALL the hostages out because their presence is what prevents Toranaga from making alliances against Ishido. If she is seen to leave officially, then everyone will want to leave AND feel that they obviously should be allowed to when a putative opponent of Ishido gets the permission.
Abducting Mariko before she leaves on the other hand makes Ishido able to take advantage of the uncertainty. Shinobi breached Ishido's castle - who sent them? Who was their target? Were they sent by Toranaga? Was it an attempt on the heirs life? Did Mariko let them in? Were some of Ishido's guards killed in the attack (diverts the blame)?
Doing the abduction in the castle was incredibly risky but also the only place to do it. He had to make the other hostages afraid of leaving. They will of course still be afraid of leaving but now none of them can keep up the pretence of them enjoying the hospitality of the heir/being protected by Ishido.
Let's not forget, Ishido and Toranaga are NOT officially at war. But now Ishido has (inadvertently, but that does not matter) killed a guest in his own home. Someone who was under his protection, as are all the other hostages.
I also figured he can also make the excuse of locking down the place until they find out where a precious went or who kidnapped her
the guests will still know its bullshit but they can't prove or do anything about it
This is so funny to me because he's protestant, which just illuminates how stupid the whole fight between catholics and protestants is
It's the same damn religion. It's literally people killing each other over a different interpretation of a story.
Is this show actually getting a large viewership? It would be criminal if this fell through the cracks. Easily some of the best TV in years.