Maybe that's where the S comes in
"Next gen" 10-12 TF machines for the hardcore who want and can afford the best cutting edge and lower resolution with upgraded next gen everything else for the mainstream
Like the pc graphics card market
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"Next gen" 10-12 TF machines for the hardcore who want and can afford the best cutting edge and lower resolution with upgraded next gen everything else for the mainstream
Like the pc graphics card market
It would go against everything I've seen and read but lets see. 2020 has been a shit show all round so I guess ending the year on such a note wouldn't be that surprising....
$600+ next gen consoles would be very bad for next gen sales.
There is no way either of them going above 500$
Xsx500
Ps5 500
Ps5de 450
Xss 300
I think $ per tflop is probably one of the most arbitrary measurements for console hardware value ive ever heard. Think holistically about these devices, also a point like "more storage" is also nearly moot for comparison since these machines can be expanded to multiple times the out-of-the-box capacity for relative pennies. And you also forgot about the I/O speed differences that could be the major differentiator this generation (because as we have seen, 18% tflop gap won't show appreciable improvements to the naked eye). I won't even touch on how people really find value in console hardware: software
I don't think PS5 dE will be 50 dollars less than PS5 depending of the price of PS5. This is occam razor model.
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Game Pass is already available on Xbox One you aren't required to buy next gen to use it, and that unimpressive launch line-up isn't moving the needle because the only game that is not available on Xbox One Game Pass at launch will be The Medium.
Speaking of which I don't actually think that game looks as good as I hoped it would and Bloober didn't really impress me with Blair Witch.
$ per flop? Why not $ per GBps SSD transfer rate? That is by far the biggest difference between the two consoles and would have the PS5 coming out miles ahead.
Both metics would be complete nonsense of course. You can pick any spec point and try to extrapolate a value scale, but in the real world value is not determined by these things. It's determined by the amount and quality of games available on the system along with various other intangible aspects (online ecosystem, backwards compatibility, proven track record with exclusive games etc.)
Both metics would be complete nonsense of course. You can pick any spec point and try to extrapolate a value scale, but in the real world value is not determined by these things. It's determined by the amount and quality of games available on the system along with various other intangible aspects (online ecosystem, backwards compatibility, proven track record with exclusive games etc.)
I know it's vague but want to caveat that this doesn't mean there won't be anything Xbox related this month, but there's things that were going to be shared this month that got pushed to September.
I suppose lockhart and price were pushed back to september.
This is what I have been saying. Very little acknowledgement by the console gaming community that we are in the midst of a once in a lifetime health and economic crisis. I think some of that is because games are an escapist exercise for many on this forum. Psychologically it's difficult to acknowledge that your one means of escape may get hindered dramatically. I also see this cognitive dissonance in the gaming media. They are delaying and not giving out prices and what not because they don't know. Things are changing daily. It's like trying to shoot a bullseye during an earthquake.
Neither of the big two have really shown anything. They have been reluctant to release the most basic information. MS started out like a house on fire and then there was COVID-19. Now they won't even acknowledge Lockhart and they know that we all know it exists. With regards to Sony, we know that the PS5's BOM increased unexpectedly due to COVID. These companies are dealing with a lot now. Just because online play and games sales are up doesn't mean that it's sustainable. We are looking realistically at 20 to 25 percent unemployment and a a half a million deaths in the U.S. alone. That is having a huge effect, and will continue to do so on all of these companies whether we want to acknowledge or not. Expect more bad news.
There's absolutely no way a console launches at $599.
The stigma that the PS3 created with this value is too big. No one would be crazy to commit the same mistake.
Spill the beans my friend, I'm still really excited for anything Xbox and I'm glad Infinite has been delayed. 343 deserve the time to fulfill their vision.
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I hope you aren't calling me out on a technicality...
Yeah, if I had to guess what got pushed, it's Lockhart and price. Since Sony didn't give price at their August event, MS pushes back price reveal once more.
What video? The Halo one? When do they claim it's a rumor? Don't they just speculate that these things seem expensive?
They suggested hearing around that the next gen consoles could be $600 or higher. I'll have to go back and watch the video again when I'm not at work to see exactly what was said.
Went back and watched and Linneman does mention "rumors" that the consoles will be expensive, though I took that to mean the Bloomberg article from February about manufacturing costs (Hard to know the veracity of that at this point since it also mentioned a new PSVR for PS5 launch). I haven't heard anything else, but maybe he really was suggesting some other rumors he's heard.
That BOM estimate keeps coming up as people try to predict the PS5's MSRP, but I really wonder how actuate it is. Could it be a false flag of sorts to throw off the competition's plans?
What I find most interesting are those who suggest PS5 has more tricks up its sleeve and could be the better system yet the same people are very quick to price Series X above PS5, why? Personally I think both will hit the $499 mark.
Yes it's obvious which is the strongest console yet somehow that keeps getting mitigating responses.
Everyone who knows anything about how these things work have said it's not even a question. The last few days have been crazy.
The only way Series X is coming in above PS5 is if the BOM is roughly equivalent, and the only number I've seen floated around is $500 for the Series X. I agree with you and think both both companies will take a hit for the remaining logistical costs to reach $499 at most.
Having said that, I can entertain the possibility of a more expensive Series X. Top Microsoft leadership (i.e. the "we are services company" types) might not stomach taking a non-negligible loss on each unit sold. If the primary strategy is GamePass/Xcloud and presenting consumers with as many options to use these services, I can imagine a scenario where Microsoft de-prioritizes the perception of Series X being "the next Xbox, period" for mainstream consumers and pivots towards the more affordable Series S as the default entry point for next-gen gaming and their gaming services. The Series X becomes the choice for enthusiasts.
I think Analysts have better sources on BOM than DF... ,if DF thinks it's more, they've lost their damn minds.
If analysts and even vendors, WSJ , Nikkei all say Sony increased production to aim for 10 million units by March 2021... HELL no it wont be over $500. Their confidence that demand will be high makes that impossible. Honestly, looking like it's coming in at 399-450
What changed? A single game got delayed.
They still have the best hardware, online, more games announced than their competitor.
Honestly, the way the internet has run with Microsoft making the right choice - delaying to make the game better, is insane.
Can't undercut if you don't know what the starting price is?
Possibly that they have shown very few games that look like they could be coming soon. We are possibly around 10 weeks from launch and they havent shown a single game running on the series X. They have no first party launch line up.
If both Sx and PS5 will target a $600 price tag it totally makes sense why MS and Sony are playing this silence game. You don't want to announce $600 price tag too early and kill the hype.
Tbh $500 is a better reasonable price tag which most adult gamers can afford. But they haven't announced that so... $600 incoming?
Tbh $500 is a better reasonable price tag which most adult gamers can afford. But they haven't announced that so... $600 incoming?
So basically, Sony is going to have to go first regardless.
I wonder how long they could leave it to make MS sweat? 🤣
If microsoft announced their price, Sony would afterwards.
They're both waiting.
To be fair neither console does.
Sony has an expansion of an existing game (which looks great but...is an expansion) and a port in launch window.
This new gen looks very dry in the new games department for now, even 3rd party shares this issue.
Sony has 2 confirmed 1st party launch games and a whole slew of games shown on PS5 that are likely all scheduled for the first year, possibly some at launch.
You kind of show your own hand when your answer is, yeah neither has games because these 2 games it has aren't real games. Ok.
I assume Spiderman is the expansion and Astrobot is the port?
I was talking about Demon Souls but yes.
Next gens launch window is much weaker than this gen. For both companies.
You guys are trying way too hard to downplay Miles Morales, lol. This is already Niche-Man tier downplay. You claim it is an expansion, in another Xbox thread some others claimed it is glorified DLC, it's not a full game, oh, and one claimed it's maximum 5 hours long. Sure.
It is a full, standalone game. That has now been stated like a million times already. It might be considerably shorter than a Spider-Man 2 would be, but that still doesn't mean its not a full game. The Lost Legacy, which has been directly compared to Miles Morales by the the developers and Sony, was a fairly lengthy (compared to older UCs) full game that was just as high quality, if not even more, than Uncharted 4.
Wow... the downplaying of Spider-Man of all things on the PS5. I think a lot of people are in for a surprise on just how well that game does when it comes out.
We don't know the full launch window lineup of either Sony of Microsoft yet.
We don't know the full launch window lineup of either Sony of Microsoft yet.
It really, really isn't though.
PS4 had Knack and Killzone Shadowfall, both were god awful. The only notable PS4 release was Resogun.
Spider-Man could be a 1 hour tech demo and it would still be a superior line-up than what PS3 & PS4 got.
That's not counting third parties like Cyberpunk and Assassin's Creed which I imagine most of us will be playing on next gen machines.