Should People Who Have Undergone Cosmetic Surgery Be Required to Disclose to their Partner Prior to Marriage/Kids?

[Ecotic]

Now there's an interesting question. I would say people should disclose to their partner, but I also say people need to go into relationships and procreation with a sort of 'buyer beware' mentality. Like, you should assume the underlying genetics may be not as advertised.

 

[Monstress]

Such an elementary response. Why are so many people such as yourself blatantly misinterpreting even after numerous clarifications from me? Our society is so obsessed with piling on, automatically assuming the worst, and the spread of disinformation. Terrible.

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Here's another elementary response: several people told you your post is as the very least weirdly phrased, and borders on eugenixs. It's easy to get on your high horse when the answers are not what you want.

 

[Guppeth]

 

[Dragon Puncher]

You are wildly interpreting my statements incorrectly. Where in any of my comments did I refer to beauty standards? Shame on you.

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Good job, you made a troll thread and not a very good one. Now let it die please.

 

[Vonocourt]

Now there's an interesting question. I would say people should disclose to their partner, but I also say people need to go into relationships and procreation with a sort of 'buyer beware' mentality. Like, you should assume the underlying genetics may be not as advertised.

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The fuck is this?

I saw that Kyuuji was going at the OP at a transphobic angle, but this is beyond the pale.

On top of also being extremely pro-eugenics.

 

[Teenage Fansub]

Now there's an interesting question. I would say people should disclose to their partner, but I also say people need to go into relationships and procreation with a sort of 'buyer beware' mentality. Like, you should assume the underlying genetics may be not as advertised.

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[Scrillz]

You said that you wanted attractive traits to be inherited by your children in your own OP.

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Yes, and did you refer to my reasoning being subconscious/biological in nature? And was it wrong of me to assume in good faith that the majority of people who chose to engage in this discussion would come with an understanding that attractiveness is inherently subjective? Apparently so. Silly me.

 

[Princess Viola]

Now there's an interesting question. I would say people should disclose to their partner, but I also say people need to go into relationships and procreation with a sort of 'buyer beware' mentality. Like, you should assume the underlying genetics may be not as advertised.

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Bruh.

 

[Kyuuji]

 

[Vonocourt]

Yes, and did you refer to my reasoning being subconscious/biological in nature? And was it wrong of me to assume in good faith that the majority of people who chose to engage in this discussion would come with an understanding that attractiveness is inherently subjective? Apparently so. Silly me.

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OH boy.

Kyuuji you were right.

 

[Stop It]

Yes, and did you refer to my reasoning being subconscious/biological in nature? And was it wrong of me to assume in good faith that the majority of people who chose to engage in this discussion would come with an understanding that attractiveness is inherently subjective? Apparently so. Silly me.

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Your reasoning is as pathetic as the thread premise.

Someone's medical history is private, you have no right to know whether you like it or not.

 

[Rosebud]

Y'all who agree with this please don't have children just to make them suffer when they don't reach your expectations

 

[Monstress]

Oh boy, Kyuuji's answer was so on point.

 

[Princess Viola]

I wanna know who the fuck are the 20 people voting yes.

Show yourselves.

 

[Stop It]

In addition. Many people have cosmetic surgery to correct issues from birth that otherwise would end up with bullying and harassment through their lives or to enhance quality of life.

Having chuds like the OP demand to see what their medical history was to see if it was somehow "cosmetic enhancement" is the most scary thing possible.

 

[Tuppen]

Is it the weekend allready?

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January 6th is a public holiday in several countries so I guess we can call it the weekend?

On another note all the talk about trait inheritance in this thread is like genetics according to Crusader Kings

 

[RetroMG]

Okay, let me try this before this thread inevitably gets locked.

If you are attracted to a certain physical trait(s) of the opposite sex (eye color, ass shape, etc.) and especially if it happens be one of the main reasons for your decision to proceed in a relationship,

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This is the core problem with your argument, imo. In my younger days, I might have asked a girl out because she had stunning eyes or a great ass. But when you start considering marriage and children, those things really become superficial. It's about your connection to the person. And that can't be faked with plastic surgery.

If you're saying something like, "I want to have kids with her because she has green eyes and a shapely ass and I want to pass those traits down to our children," you sound, at best, like a Vulcan from Star Trek.

Your sickle cell argument was better. I get why you don't want to follow that line of conversation, but combining traits that might harm the well-being of the child is a more valid reason than, "I should be able to reasonably expect that my child will have green eyes."

 

[julia crawford]

i voted no, just for the record

 

[Vonocourt]

In addition. Many people have cosmetic surgery to correct issues from birth that otherwise would end up with bullying and harassment through their lives or to enhance quality of life.

Having chuds like the OP demand to see what their medical history was to see if it was somehow "cosmetic enhancement" is the most scary thing possible.

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Fuck all those people who had a hair lip amirite?!

EDIT: Also fuck all those people who are Admiral Ackbarring it.

 

[Guppeth]

While we're making laws I propose we rename "make up" to "deception grease".

 

[DoctorPlayer MD]

If any of my kids were to have a flat ass they would be disinherited and I would divorce my spouse for genetic cheating.


Then again I've had a nose job, so it's only fair that they do the same if my bad genes make our kids unnatractive.

 

[Vonocourt]

While we're making laws I propose we rename "make up" to "deception grease".

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Let's go one step further, all people who grow red beards should wear a tag that says they carry a recessive gene.

 

[Stop It]

Fuck all those people who had a hair lip amirite?!

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I was going to mention cleft lip and palate as one of the common issues that is easily corrected by surgery yet to the OP would need to be declared because otherwise it's fraud or something.

Let alone that's not even how genetics works and that most, if not all cosmetic issues are due to conditions after conception and not genetic at all, let alone after they're born and their standard of living and many other factors come into play.

 

[Ducarmel]

If my kids turn out ugly I'll just refer them to my plastic surgeon.

I think the only medical information that a partner should disclose is anything that might harm their partner like std's or a medical condition that is costly or time consuming to handle.

Anything else is private if the individual wants it to be private.

 

[SephiZack]

should your partner be scanned for and disclose potential genetically inheritable diseases before you marry/have kids?

Same kinda question and the answer is still no

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When it comes to some terrible genetic diseases, the question becomes more sensible.
My high school teacher had a couple friends who discovered they were both carriers of a rare form of ichthyosis; any child would have had a 25% chance of either dying prematurely or being under pain and treatments for the rest of their life.
They both wanted children and decided to split up because they didn't want to take that risk.

I don't care about appearance and stupid beauty standards. If OP had framed the thread as to whether we should get tested for recessive life-crippling inheritable diseases before having children, I would have said yes.

 

[Scrillz]

Here's another elementary response: several people told you your post is as the very least weirdly phrased, and borders on eugenixs. It's easy to get on your high horse when the answers are not what you want.

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It absolutely does not and I challenge you to specify where, in any of my comments, I am even remotely advocating for eugenics.

I was going to shut the thread down due to the apparent miscommunication, but nevermind. It clearly isn't an issue of miscommunication at all. I intended to gather opinions on a relatively harmless but interesting (to me) social topic but this thread has inadvertently done a great job of illustrating how this society is quick to assume the absolute worst of people, even after they do their best to explain their impartial motives. Do better folks! Reading is fundamental!

 

[III-V]

OP your post is all kinds of crazy fucked up. No.

 

[Jonathan Lanza]

OP your mistake was thinking that ugly people have trouble reproducing.

They don't, we just reproduce with other ugly people and all is well. So aside from bullying there should be no real concern as to how the child turns out. And if they get bullied then that's just how it be. You can't control what other children will do to your child.

So no to your question.

 

[Scrillz]

Your reasoning is as pathetic as the thread premise.

Someone's medical history is private, you have no right to know whether you like it or not.

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It absolutely isn't private under the context I've laid out. Do better and don't assume the worst of people.

 

[III-V]

It absolutely does not and I challenge you to specify where, in any of my comments, I am even remotely advocating for eugenics.

I was going to shut the thread down due to the apparent miscommunication, but nevermind. It clearly isn't an issue of miscommunication at all. I intended to gather opinions on a relatively harmless but interesting (to me) social topic but this thread has inadvertently done a great job of illustrating how this society is quick to assume the absolute worst of people, even after they do their best to explain their impartial motives. Do better folks! Reading is fundamental!

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It absolutely isn't private under the context I've laid out. Do better and don't assume the worst of people.

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[Rosebud]

It absolutely isn't private under the context I've laid out. Do better and don't assume the worst of people.

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It is private no matter what you want lol

Trying to force a partner to disclose it is a good way to never have children

 

[Kyuuji]

I intended to gather opinions on a relatively harmless but interesting (to me) social topic but this thread has inadvertently done a great job of illustrating how this society is quick to assume the absolute worst of people, even after they do their best to explain their impartial motives. Do better folks! Reading is fundamental!

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edit: III-V 🥂

 

[Bitanator]

Thread reminds me of this

 

[Stop It]

It absolutely isn't private under the context I've laid out. Do better and don't assume the worst of people.

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Your medical history is private and protected under law. You still have no right to know, at all.

 

[rras1994]

Dude joined a year ago and has only 125 posts, majority of them are likely in this thread. Someone post the troll in the dungeon gif

 

[Quacktion]

OP just trying to raise a competitive team cant blame him tbh

 

[Vonocourt]

*SNIP*

Thread reminds me of this

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This is a incredibly mean pic and does nothing to point out how awful the op is.
EDIT: I'm sorry, I get where you're coming from, I still find it incredibly distasteful.

 

[Teenage Fansub]

I intended to gather opinions on a relatively harmless but interesting (to me) social topic

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A society that by law allows people to demand proof of cosmetic surgery from their spouses and considers those who might want to withhold such information "fraudsters" isn't remotely harmless.

 

[Dragon Puncher]

Let's go one step further, all people who grow red beards should wear a tag that says they carry a recessive gene.

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All the left handed people as well, can't have those mutants running around spreading their genes.

 

[donpureevil]

WTF? No! Everything about this is disgusting.

 

[Bitanator]

This is a incredibly mean pic and does nothing to point out how awful the op is.
EDIT: I'm sorry, I get where you're coming from, I still find it incredibly distasteful.

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It did more harm to the actress who was in the picture, they had an interview with her and it was hard for her to find work afterwards.

 

[III-V]

I propose Transactional Marriage:

You get cute kids
I get my preferred genetic phenotype

 

[pinkurocket]

The main focus should be the health of your potential kids. Not looks.
No one is born ugly, insecurities come from society and how they are raised. If someone wants cosmetic surgery that's their own right and nothing that should ever need to be disclosed to anyone. The only thing that should be discussed are things that can impact the health of any offspring, that's it.

 

[Vonocourt]

It absolutely does not and I challenge you to specify where, in any of my comments, I am even remotely advocating for eugenics.

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I mean, I've told you about how it could possibley shake out and you deflected with your race and declined to respond to my follow up posts.

I was going to shut the thread down due to the apparent miscommunication, but nevermind. It clearly isn't an issue of miscommunication at all. I intended to gather opinions on a relatively harmless but interesting (to me) social topic but this thread has inadvertently done a great job of illustrating how this society is quick to assume the absolute worst of people, even after they do their best to explain their impartial motives. Do better folks! Reading is fundamental!

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So now it's just a "social experiment" on the toxicity of ERA, fam you're being blatant.

All the left handed people as well, can't have those mutants running around spreading their genes.

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If they use inverted Y, take them out back to the shed.

 

[Scrillz]

OP your mistake was thinking that ugly people have trouble reproducing.

They don't, we just reproduce with other ugly people and all is well. So aside from bullying there should be no real concern as to how the child turns out. And if they get bullied then that's just how it be. You can't control what other children will do to your child.

So no to your question.

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Thank you for your non-hostile reply. I really appreciate it.

What is ugly? Who says you're ugly? I gave examples using two characteristics: "eye color and ass shape" did I ever define a beauty standard for any of these characteristics (green, blue? big, small?) or are internet folks just projection their own?

In regards to the latter portion of your comment, I believe we all want the best for our kids in many ways and on both a conscious and subconscious level. Within the context of my initial example, it is utterly foolish to bring societal beauty standards into the equation because we are focusing on a unique relationship between to unique individuals with their OWN UNIQUE STANDARDS OF BEAUTY. Therefore, no one else's opinion matters.

Seriously, thanks again for your constructive contribution.

 

[B-Dubs]

Really? Come on