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Dice just wanna shout you out for doing some good work in this trash fire of a thread. Wouldn't have blamed you for just writing it off and yet you keep boxing away. Appreciate the resilience. :)



What especially sucks about Ivy is her SCII alt is perfectly fine and completely fits in with her background as well:

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Also it's funny seeing Hot Ryu get brought up ITT, and I can't help but be reminded at the Japanese response to the more "homely" cast of Ghost of Tsushima, especially the "ugly" Jin Sakai. Since Japanese beauty standard for guys is all bishie and clean-shaven and stuff.

I dunno a way to put it that doesn't come off as too "viva imperialism"-y, but maybe it'd do a bit of good for the Japanese to take some notes from their Western counterparts on body diversity..
I'd be fine with this outfit if she still had her default hairstyle.
 

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Yes to this post 💙

Seriously; if your standard for video game sexy is because a character needs to be in a unitard and thigh-high boot stilettos with her ass and tits always on the verge of spilling out – your standards are fucked. 🤣 But literally any of the examples of characters clothed normally has never taken away from their ability to be appealing.

And there are people with entire websites dedicated to the defense of this and it creeps me the fuck out.

But yeah, I agree. I posted this earlier in the thread, but I find something like Cammy's Jill costume to be both way more appealing and way more badass than her green classic costume.

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That shit is so damn good, and honestly fits her whole military background way better.
 

Sanox

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So this is actually a thing now Polls get removed if the result isn't what some want to read?


On the topic I think the butt or rather no pants is part of her visual identity and even if she received a redesign she probably still would not wear pants. Who knows if she would still show as much butt though.

As alternate outfits one with pants should probably be available earily on as it was a bit silly how no pants Cammy almost became a meme with how long it took for her to get pants for an alternate costume and even then it was the Jill crossover outfit and not a unique one
 

Hyun Sai

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We censoring poll results now ? Anyone got a pic of Era wanting to keep gratuitous ass shots ?

I understand now why this thread is a battlefield ah ah ah
 

Doomguy Fieri

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lol is goofball mean?



Fist of all, ew. Her ass isn't a trait, and her sexuality is not being questioned.
Second of all, lol can you imagine saying what you said to a real woman? Are there any male characters you can do this for that are in a similar level of egregiousness?
First of all it's like the dictionary definition of a trait. Second of all I am having a hard time imagining a real life conversation with any person over Cammy white's ass cheeks but if it were to happen, then sure.
 

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What this makes me wonder, is do people actually jerk off while playing games? Because what other reason is there to oppose changing her outfit?
 

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First of all it's like the dictionary definition of a trait. Second of all I am having a hard time imagining a real life conversation with any person over Cammy white's ass cheeks but if it were to happen, then sure.
no pants is part of her visual identity

What you're both saying is demeaning and reductive.
Character designs are capable of changing.
Her braid and her hair already identify her; not the wardrobe (or do you just flail around in confusion when Ken decides to put a non red-gi on). Most character change their clothes. Cammy has done it too, some more permanently than others.
What this makes me wonder, is do people actually jerk off while playing games? Because what other reason is there to oppose changing her outfit?

Which is another thing I don't get. Fandom hardly needs any help drawing or CGing these same characters into porn/hentai or whatever 18+ stuff you're into... I don't get why this is something worth fighting people on. It's awkward and demeaning, but gotta fight to keep those bonerrific designs in. 🤷‍♀️
 
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Some fighting game franchises seem to have this ingrained into the ecosystem so I'm not sure it will ever fully go away. And with the prevalence of skins it will probably get worse before it gets better.

I am interested to see the poll results though. Have a feeling I can guess what they looked like.
 
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Why remove the poll? Are we censoring results now?
 

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Which is another thing I don't get. Fandom hardly needs any help drawing or CGing these same characters into porn/hentai or whatever 18+ stuff you're into... I don't get why this is something worth fighting people on. It's awkward and demeaning, but gotta fight to keep those bonerrific designs in. 🤷‍♀️
Yeah, that's what I don't understand either. I mean, I do understand using fictional characters for stimulation purposes, but there's a ton of rule34 to do that already. And it's not like Cammy is an unpopular character, she has a lot of adult artwork and will continue to get more. They don't have to do it in-game.
 

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I think it should be changed, but it likely won't. As for those who enjoy the current costume, that's all well and good, but would it be a problem if it:

A: Was kept in as an alternate option (probably behind a paywall)
B: It wasn't in at all and Cammy's bare ass was relegated to fan art and things of that nature
 

Sanox

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What you're both saying is demeaning and reductive.
Character designs are capable of changing.
Her braid and her hair already identify her; not the wardrobe (or do you just flail around in confusion when Ken decides to put a non red-gi on). Most character change their clothes. Cammy has done it too, some more permanently than others.

Its simply an aspect of her design and I don't think even with a redesign that would change. Ken not having a red gi would be weird which is why Ken's design in 5 retains the gi while altering the overall look a bit.
 

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This is something I've been thinking about off and on for a little while now. There are threads on this forum that have devolved into, essentially, some members taking shots at others due to polls suggesting that people on the forum don't care about a particular issue, or worse, think differently about it. The polls themselves are so often undercooked to the point of being unreliable indicators of much of anything, but let that slide for a moment. These posters then argue that the forum sucks, or that the moderation sucks, because such people are clearly allowed to *exist* on the forum, but don't get their deserved ban because they don't post about their opinions. To make things more confusing, it's usually suggested that we simply *must* have conversations about these things, but then the people who would have the opposing viewpoints don't post. They don't post for the obvious reason that is, more often than not, their opinion isn't 1) welcome, or 2) wanted. The lack of these people posting is then interpreted, I think incorrectly, as a lack of people caring about an issue. Sadly, I think it does mean that they care about the issue, but that they totally disagree with a premise.

In other words, does it seem to you that polls and Era's reaction to certain kinds of opinions have produced a chilling effect in which posters with gross opinions are allowed to continue being on the forum so long as they do not produce gross opinions in any form that isn't via a poll? If so, is that -- and I say this with all due respect to how serious these problems can be -- as problematic as we want to believe? Like, I'd personally rather have a forum where there are nasty opinions that people don't feel comfortable sharing but those people are present on the forum, than one where people do feel comfortable sharing their nasty opinions (and are summarily banned). The later seems like it is far more debilitating in terms of outcome, though I could be wrong.

Either way, it would maybe be a good idea to retire polls on the forum for these reasons. They are used very often to be indicative of a problem in Era's user base, or as a way to circumvent rules about having shitty opinions, but without context I don't see how the polls can be healthy or useful. But I'm curious about your take on it, since you seem to have put some thought into this as well.

Instead we could just make poll votes public
 

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Yeah, that's what I don't understand either. I mean, I do understand using fictional characters for stimulation purposes, but there's a ton of rule34 to do that already. And it's not like Cammy is an unpopular character, she has a lot of adult artwork and will continue to get more. They don't have to do it in-game.

Man, we're going to bring back #CoreValues cause of perspectives like this.
 

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Its simply an aspect of her design and I don't think even with a redesign that would change. Ken not having a red gi would be weird which is why Ken's design in 5 retains the gi while altering the overall look a bit.

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An aspect of Cody's design used to be that he was an escaped prisoner in chains. Now he's a mayor in a suit, and people loved it.

You can update and change any aspect of designs as much as you want. In fact, plenty of other series do it with every iteration.

Plus you can always have the "nostalgic" costume option as an alt.
 

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What this makes me wonder, is do people actually jerk off while playing games? Because what other reason is there to oppose changing her outfit?
You don't have to want to jerk off to a character to enjoy it's design. Oppose it's way too strong a word in this case, I for one just wouldn't change it if it was my choice.
 

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You say it like men and women are treated the same in games




what's the story on this one?


I believe it was the voice actress one where the majority of the forum didn't have a problem with a white woman voicing a black character. However, I could be remembering wrong. Polls disappear whenever it doesn't fit the image Era wants to have. Which makes sense since we are supposed to be an inclusive group and the poll answers are problematic.
 

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Era is a progressive place
I wish we'd stop telling this lie. "More progressive than most" is just as misleading. Era is straight centrist. Era will talk about progressive things, but when it comes time to take action, they immediately favor not making any changes, especially when it comes to their hobbies.

See every thread involving Harry Potter, Trans issues, accessibility and disability issues, etc.

Actions speak louder than words, and whole the words sure sounds progressive, this is just another thread that shows the actions (and intents) of most... And it's status quo.
 

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Man, we're going to bring back #CoreValues cause of perspectives like this.

#CoreValues has been meme'd so much that people have turned it from a jab on Evo being hypocritical of what it censors into a jab on censorship in its entirety.

Hypocrisy in the sense of "sexualization vs. violence/gore in media", which is its own can of worms, but hypocrisy still.
 

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"So the censorship option didn't won so fuck it we are censoring it anyway" Amazing.
 

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#CoreValues has been meme'd so much that people have turned it from a jab on Evo being hypocritical of what it censors into a jab on censorship in its entirety.

Hypocrisy in the sense of "sexualization vs. violence/gore in media", which is its own can of worms, but hypocrisy still.

I mean, once again, not against a redesign, but the justification of why there must be a redesign falls into that territory so. Its an appropriate jab.
 

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Man, I sure must have a dick in my hand if I failed to make a point. Oh well.

Your perspective on this is silly, is all, and reminds me of a silly period.
I mean, I don't understand what you're trying to argue. I'm not arguing that they should be forced to change her outfit, or that people shouldn't like her current outfit (I mean, even I do), but I'm arguing that people shouldn't get so upset over them changing her outfit.
 

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"So the censorship option didn't won so fuck it we are censoring it anyway" Amazing.
Congratulations on your admission to clown college!
Hopefully you pick up a minor in English and learn about what the definition of censorship is!

I look forward to your explanation detailing how showing Cammy's ass is an integral part of her character because, uh, reasons not related to pp.
 

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Damn sure is a lot of people mad that a poll with a result that was pretty much telling women on this forum to go fuck themselves got removed.
 

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An aspect of Cody's design used to be that he was an escaped prisoner in chains. Now he's a mayor in a suit, and people loved it.

You can update and change any aspect of designs as much as you want. In fact, plenty of other series do it with every iteration.

Plus you can always have the "nostalgic" costume option as an alt.

And I am not a fan of it. Mayor Cody doesn't really have anything stand out going on design wise anymore in the series
 
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Nocturno

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Congratulations on your admission to clown college!
Hopefully you pick up a minor in English and learn about what the definition of censorship is!

I look forward to your explanation detailing how showing Cammy's ass is an integral part of her character because, uh, reasons not related to pp.
No matter how much you disagree with a poll you just don't remove it. Stop crying.
 

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I mean, once again, not against a redesign, but the justification of why there must be a redesign falls into that territory so. Its an appropriate jab.

Because it's performative/insincere? Or because there isn't a good reason for it?

Era can answer for itself, but Capcom changing her design isn't censorship.

I'd argue it is but that it isn't a bad thing. Censorship, like many things, is a neutral term. What exactly is the difference in practice between "self-censorship" and editing something to be less offensive/more appealing/inclusive?

Damn sure is a lot of people mad that a poll with a result that was pretty much telling women on this forum to go fuck themselves got removed.

Alternative take: the forum is sweeping under the rug a poll showing more people on this forum were willing to tell said women to go fuck themselves for a booty shot than not.
 

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Removing the poll seems unwise. Do you want to know what the majority of people on this forum actually think or do you want to just put your head in the sand and pretend everyone here agrees on the same thing?
 

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I'd argue it is but that it isn't a bad thing. Censorship, like many things, is a neutral term. What exactly is the difference in practice between "self-censorship" and editing something to be less offensive/more appealing/inclusive?
..because unless you've been living under a rock you'd know it isn't a neutral term within the space of these things and is frequently bleated by bigots whenever companies err toward progressive attitudes in their game.

There's no need to deem characters shifting in design over time and game iterations as having been censored.

Alternative take: the forum is sweeping under the rug a poll showing more people on this forum were willing to tell said women to go fuck themselves for a booty shot than not.
Further take: few people have been under the legitimate illusion that anything else was the case, coming off the back of years of threads around minority issues.
 

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Are you seriously surprised? The same thing happened with the Uncharted poll. Era is a progressive place but the majority of members see things very differently when it comes to games.
So not progressive ?

Honestly, these anonymous polls are just the reflexion of what people really think without the fear of being banned. So yeah, the moderation may be progressive, but the users are no better than anyone else anyway.

Removing the poll seems unwise. Do you want to know what the majority of people on this forum actually think or do you want to just put your head in the sand and pretend everyone here agrees on the same thing?
It's just PR, like any good corporation. Public image is important if you want to pass yourself as having the high ground.
 

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Removing the poll seems unwise. Do you want to know what the majority of people on this forum actually think or do you want to just put your head in the sand and pretend everyone here agrees on the same thing?

The poll results basically said the majority here believes Cammy showing ass is a part of her character. It's not exactly something that needs to be preserved for future study.
 

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Dice I just wanted to step back into this thread and apologise to you. if i added to the tiring bullshit that you've had to deal with in this thread today. Then i genuinely sorry.
 
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Eros

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don't want to take away from this discussion, but i actually find her (front?) crotch situation to be more of a priority

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it could be that cheeks are more visible in general, so i find it less of a problem. but i feel like i'm seeing too much of her crotch here.

not that i find the human crotch and butt to be censorable things. but it's just different when a fictional character is designed to be this, as opposed to a sentient human decided to show off their body.
 

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..because unless you've been living under a rock you'd know it isn't a neutral term within the space of these things and is frequently bleated by bigots whenever companies err toward progressive sentiments in their game.

There's no need to deem characters shifting in design over time and game iterations as having been censored.

Yes I know that GAMERS use "censorship" as a negative term thrown mainly at de-sexualizing female characters with more clothes and different body types, as well as other things like modifying/restricting language or even just entertaining progressive ideas. GAMERS are goddamn idiots. Forgive me for wanting to use words as they actually mean, since GAMERS are such a fickle bunch.

But sure, yes, in this syntax wanting Cammy to actually have some damn pants is not censorship.