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Something is wrong with Wander's face in the SotC remake for PS4
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He looks pretty decent throughout the majority of the game. People are cherry picking certain parts of the trailer footage in order to fit their agenda.
Wonder's face in the original lacks emotion altogether. It just looks flat.
I'm actually really digging the new model in this comparison.
... Yeah, i will skip this remake. WTF.
This is really, really sad. SotC is one of my favorite games of all time and there still no definitive version of it. PS2 has the worst framerate, PS3 has a wonky physics and PS4 hast the worst art direction.
I guess the best way to play SotC is on PCSX2.
Hard to believe this is dynamic gameplay from a PS2 game, god damn
Yikes. Is the running animation always this stiff or is it just selective gif posting going on here? Judging by the gifs they've clearly had more focus on the surface of the graphics than the motion in this version.Jesus he looks like a mannequin.
Lmao his face and that fucking colossi has no animation in his arm/head.
Yeah it wasn't at all great but it was also a PS2 game. This is straight up unsettling. Plus they clearly made his face a certain way originally where in the remake its just as indistinct as it gets.
Wonder's face in the original lacks emotion altogether. It just looks flat.
So far, this is the only instance where I think remake Wander's face looks really great
Here for sure, but in the gifs? Nah. The monster too, lacks any threat in the second gif. Looks pissed.Wonder's face in the original lacks emotion altogether. It just looks flat.
Super, super, super selective gif posting there.
The game looks phenomenal. The face is a bit off at times but it's a really minor quibble.
Because it's great and most people don't give a shit about this minor rivet-counting stuff that you'd only notice if you're looking for it.
The animation ingame is excellent. Go and watch one of the countless review videos and see for yourself.
Hard to believe this is dynamic gameplay from a PS2 game, god damn
Horrendous, This can't be from the final build... It's like they forgot to add in the proper face or something...Jesus he looks like a mannequin.
Lmao his face and that fucking colossi has no animation in his arm/head.
Yeah it wasn't at all great but it was also a PS2 game. This is straight up unsettling. Plus they clearly made his face a certain way originally where in the remake its just as indistinct as it gets.
Why change the character so much when it was a great design before.
I don't understand why they would change the design so much when it was good before, a game of this importance deserved better. Really sad to see because i loved him as a character.
Sony clearly paid off every major reviewer. It's the only logical conclusion.
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Well, messed-up Wander face or not, this is still SotC running on modern hardware. It's deserving of high praise by default, being one of the best games ever made and all.
This little detail is likely to only bother obsessive fans of the original like myself.
Because it's really good ?
What exactly are you trying to imply here .. be a little bit more clear.
It's most likely internet hyperbole.
More than their revised, more "realistic" Wander (his body proportions are also more human-like and less exaggerated than before), it's the absolute vacant expression he has in-game that irks me. There's just something wrong with his idle face animation, he looks like mannequin with no life inside. And then there's him seemingly missing animation in the heat of the action. In the PS2 game you can see Wander has more labored expression in his face when you're running. His eyes widen slightly and his mouth opens to signify exertion. It's not much, but it's something. On PS4 it's the same blank face.
No, of course not. The people saying this had zero intention of purchasing the game in the first place.
To be fair, I think that animation is pretty much the same as the original when he is running with the sword out and he is probably far enough to not stumble and all. Dat face through
Wonder's face in the original lacks emotion altogether. It just looks flat.
You know what? His emotionless face says a lot more. You can't tell whether he's angry or sad, and just wants her to get healed, no matter what the cost.
That said, I've no issues with the new face.
Honestly it's all these small differences that are putting me off buying this remake .
I'd buy the PS2 one again.
I'd buy the PS2 one again.
It's incredibly selective gif posting by a very small of group of hyper-nitpickers. I don't know how they have the energy but they do. Just watch footage of the game, watch the tech analysis videos, read the reviews. They did a damn good job with this remake.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of the more manly, athletic stature and animations for Wander in this remake either, but I felt that was more nitpicky than highlighting the problems with his face. His face is legitimately distracting in how subpar it looks compared to everything else on screen in most situations.
Even if this wasn't a remake of a beloved game I'd still take issue with that face.
Omg he's not white anymore!! Preorder canceled!Wonder's face in the original lacks emotion altogether. It just looks flat.
Or maybe some people here love the game so much, more than almost any other game created, that they didn't want to see the main character changed so much and for the worse.
This game deserved better, it seems to have gotten great treatment everywhere else apart from his face.
I don't mind them adding small details elsewhere but changing the face so much is a very bad call.
I'm incredibly excited for the remake and I think it looks wonderful, but it's hard to argue his face hasn't been lost in translation.
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Wander's face is pretty important to the thematics of the game. The base expression he wears suggest a darkness and a grim resolve (EDIT: in the gif above, it's really the eyebrows that drive this, but also the staring ahead as opposed to thoughtfully looking from side to side), kind of a broken character, even when he first arrives. Moreoever, Ueda and team went out of their way to emphasize the dynamics of his face over the course of the game, and the toll that the journey is taking on him as he descends further and further.
The new model seems to have none of that. It's just an innocent expression - really not unlike the one on the Ico cover, all jokes aside. The problem is, Ico is a VERY different character from Wander once you set the superficialities aside. That comparison is damning, and suggests that Bluepoint has missed the... well, point a bit here with his character model.
It is not game-breaking for me at all - but I do wish BP had stuck the landing on it a bit better. It's distracting in what otherwise looks to be an outstanding piece of work.
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Wander's face is pretty important to the thematics of the game. The base expression he wears suggest a darkness and a grim resolve (EDIT: in the gif above, it's really the eyebrows that drive this, but also the staring ahead as opposed to thoughtfully looking from side to side), kind of a broken character, even when he first arrives. Moreoever, Ueda and team went out of their way to emphasize the dynamics of his face over the course of the game, and the toll that the journey is taking on him as he descends further and further.
The new model seems to have none of that. It's just an innocent expression - really not unlike the one on the Ico cover, all jokes aside. The problem is, Ico is a VERY different character from Wander once you set the superficialities aside. That comparison is damning, and suggests that Bluepoint has missed the... well, point a bit here with his character model.
It is not game-breaking for me at all - but I do wish BP had stuck the landing on it a bit better. It's distracting in what otherwise looks to be an outstanding piece of work.
I think the real problem here is the skin shader on gameplay Wander's face. It's shiny like plastic or wax and lacks subsurface scattering. If the skin appeared softer and warmer it would look much better and more natural. The eye shaders look off too, but that is nothing new this generation... :/
I honestly feel like it's probably the opposite. If you have enough energy to make threads, pore over footage frame by frame, and create gifs for the express purpose of nitpicking every detail, the game is probably important enough to you that you're going to wind up purchasing the (very well received) remake of it, if for no other purpose than to justify that all your complaints were right....
The remake is beautiful for sure but I find it misses the artistic mark in a number of areas. Wander's appearance is one of the most jarring examples but it goes beyond that with the art style and lighting not really resembling that of Team ICO. It's not just the PS2 original, The Last Guardian for instance looks radically different to this.
That being said the original game will always exist for those who want the original experience but with this being one of my favourite games the inconsistencies stand out. I'm still going to play it to death regardless.
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oh godJesus he looks like a mannequin.
Lmao his face and that fucking colossi has no animation in his arm/head.
Yeah it wasn't at all great but it was also a PS2 game. This is straight up unsettling. Plus they clearly made his face a certain way originally where in the remake its just as indistinct as it gets.
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