My point is your critique is lazy and surface level you're just critiquing the two black lead cast characters.
That doesn't mean anything, you can still be ignorant towards other people of colour or your own nationality. Before that derails the thread let's cut it off right there.
My point is your critique is lazy and surface level you're just critiquing the two black lead cast characters.
That doesn't mean anything, you can still be ignorant towards other people of colour or your own nationality. Before that derails the thread let's cut it off right there.
Either way, those two characters aren't terrible. LaForge was a nerd at times, with his hologram girlfriend etc but he went through some shit. Burnham isn't as bad as she was in the season opener last year but there's nobody really able to carry the show.
blimey the effects in this episode... whew
tv's come a long way
Man, I feel weirdly out of step with some posters.
I REALLY like Michael and I love Green's performance. I do agree that the show could use a lot more group focus, but absent of that, I am not mad that Michael is the one we stay with the most.
That's what annoys me the most. People keep saying shes a bad actor but she is SUPPOSED to be that way. Vulcans are cold and logical which can be confused with being bad acting when they speak in a flat, matter of fact way. She is a human that spent most of her life on Vulcan.
I didn't even know he had been in anything after Hell on Wheels.
oh god he was black bolt i must wiped that from my brain i was like inhumans he was in that? lol
oh god he was black bolt i must wiped that from my brain i was like inhumans he was in that? lol
watched it last night and was oblivious to that. also easier to act when the script isnt shitSame here. Luckily, Pike seems to fit him like a glove so here's hoping it turns out well.
Discovery is a one-time viewing show, especially as it's driven by Burnham's narrative. The fact that Season 2 seems to follow the same theme suggests that the producers had no feedback from fans on this, and that is really disappointing.
That's what annoys me the most. People keep saying shes a bad actor but she is SUPPOSED to be that way. Vulcans are cold and logical which can be confused with being bad acting when they speak in a flat, matter of fact way. She is a human that spent most of her life on Vulcan.
Speaking of which, I finished my rewatch of season 3 of Enterprise and I really liked T'Pol more than I originally did.
Also this:
Yeah I think this is it. You can see a spark of her humanity come through in that scene with her and Tilly in sickbay where she's joking around about being a bad patient, plus during the asteroid field sequence when she's working with the crew to save Pike.
She's a human raised by Vulcans, and even worse, she was raised to be more Vulcan than Vulcans by a man trying to prove a point. I see her as a character who's working to discover and explore her humanity, while still coming to terms with the culture she was raised in.
A big component from Discovery S1 is that it was kinda badly written though. It wasn't the worst thing ever, I guess, but a lot of the season was floundering in Michael's emotional problems and generally having really fucked up relationships that weren't all that interesting, with often nonsensical resolutions to conflicts (like bringing back Mirror Georgio even though she's one of the most evil people ever). The serialized format isn't an issue, imo, if it's well written, and focusing on bit characters itself wouldn't have been an improvement unless the writing as a whole is better.
Like, I wouldn't say that a characters like Stammets, Lorca or Tilly were better written in S1, but they were breaks from the unending shitstorm that was Michael's life trying to get itself in order. Tilly especially isn't some deep or layered character, but she's the most most tonally distinct of the main cast, who are nearly all super self serious, so her being the silly comedic relief that lightened the fucking mood between Saru's insecurity and Lorca's war-crime brooding and Michael trashfire of a life that she stood out as endearing escape from all the drama. But her actual character just comes down to social awkwardness, wanting to rise in the ranks, and a plucky attitude, which isn't meaningfully more developed than Michael being a walking storm of chaos.
That said, I feel like the first season 2 episode, there was some kind of noticable shift in interaction that's subtle. Like some have pointed out, Michael is still Vulcanning it out for the most part, but acts more socialable and relaxed when she's in the hospital with Tilly. This is important because it means Tilly is now special to Michael - Michael doesn't act around Tilly the way she acts around most people. That's a type of signifier of friendship we didn't really see in Season 1 if it wasn't a plot centric moment like Tilly dragging michael to a party. This is more subtle and natural. It's just one moment in one episode, so it might have just been a fluke, but if this kind of interaction keeps up with Tilly and other characters, it might lead to a much more interesting Michael.
EDIT: It also bothered me greatly that they are still using friggin GLASS windows /nitpick
Because as much as they want to push "we are science" through "yay maths" dialogue, if anything was shown this episode, it is that this is still action space opera instead of classic science-fi.EDIT: It also bothered me greatly that they are still using friggin GLASS windows /nitpick
So is the engineer turned brain surgeon going to stay on the Discovery as a recurring character? I sure as hell hope so because I really liked her. I would even be ok with making her the new chief medical officer! I love the idea of an engineer who decides that medical science is just another engineering problem.
Because as much as they want to push "we are science" through "yay maths" dialogue, if anything was shown this episode, it is that this is still action space opera instead of classic science-fi.
The entire sequence was just indulgent pew pew look at how many explosions and cool effects we can do on our little sphere ships. Half-way through the sequence I kinda got bored and thought to myself that the ships reminded me of Lui-Kang and Kitana using a sphere to travel through the Earth in MK Annihilation. Made no sense in that movie either, tbh.
All in all it is still a fun show, but it still doesn't seem to understand what kind of franchise Star Trek was. Or maybe it does and the change is intentional to appeal to a different crowd ecause they have no faith in the existing fanbase to carry a show on this budget.
To give an example. Whenever the Enterprise encountered an issue, Picard would assemble his team for a meeting, they would sit around a table and brainstorm an idea. The would then explore the idea and turn it into a feasible solution during the episode. In this show they encounter a problem, Michael thinks of an idea and they immediately cut to her running down the hallway with the captain and red shirts in tow listening to her explain the solution to them. All so we can get to those nifty action scenes as quickly as possible.
I also wanted to say that the new interpretation of the classic uniforms was slick. The colors popped and made the Discovery uniforms look dull and lifeless in comparison. I was kind of hoping they'd switch over to the classic uniforms during this episode since they looked really good, but then Pike showed up in the Discovery one later on in the episode, so I guess it was just a tease.
I hope they switch over to the neo-classic uniforms in the next season. I also hope they turn the lights up at some point.
Question for Discovery fans: do you think someone would be better served to watch the original series and films first, or to dive right into Discovery? I plan to catch up one day anyway, but wondering which would be better in the near-term. Does the context and appreciation add more, or is it separate enough to be enjoyed without the prior series?
Question for Discovery fans: do you think someone would be better served to watch the original series and films first, or to dive right into Discovery? I plan to catch up one day anyway, but wondering which would be better in the near-term. Does the context and appreciation add more, or is it separate enough to be enjoyed without the prior series?
I also wanted to say that the new interpretation of the classic uniforms was slick. The colors popped and made the Discovery uniforms look dull and lifeless in comparison. I was kind of hoping they'd switch over to the classic uniforms during this episode since they looked really good, but then Pike showed up in the Discovery one later on in the episode, so I guess it was just a tease.
I hope they switch over to the neo-classic uniforms in the next season. I also hope they turn the lights up at some point.
You can just jump right into Discovery. There are references to the universe at large but if you haven't seen other shows they aren't things you'll be confused by or be missing out on. There are things you'll appreciate if you have a history with the franchise but season 1 is designed in a way that anyone new can just start watching. Season 2 I'm less certain about that but we're only one episode in. For as much as some say some characters didn't get a bigger focus in season 1 they still went through a lot of change. Where they are in season 2 so far is very different from where they started. At the very least I feel one should watch season 1 first but it had a decent enough recap of what happen in season 1 minus details.Question for Discovery fans: do you think someone would be better served to watch the original series and films first, or to dive right into Discovery? I plan to catch up one day anyway, but wondering which would be better in the near-term. Does the context and appreciation add more, or is it separate enough to be enjoyed without the prior series?
I agree with your sentiments regarding Michael. I've come to enjoy the story, characters, and events revolving around Michael, witnessing her growth and interaction with other humans and entities, without her abandoning her Vulcan upbringing...a melding of cultures, if you will. This is Michael's story, after all, and we're all spectators watching her journey unfold. When Picard makes his debut, I'm sure I'll enjoy his journey too. And even Georgiou.I've really enjoyed Michael's character, and my only real "complaint" is so much time was spent on her in S1 we didn't really get to know anyone else. But at the same time, her redemption arc was really good I thought.
Basically the same "problem" I had with Spider-verse. I wish we had gotten more of the other spider-people, but it was Mile's story and Mile's story was great.