Do you think HP is scum then?
why wouldnt have scum team bussed HP instead of royal? esp considering royal's role and the amount of heat HP was on
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Star Trek: The Next Generation Mafia |OT| The First Duty Of Every Starfleet Officer Is To The Truth (Except In Mafia)
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why wouldnt have scum team bussed HP instead of royal? esp considering royal's role and the amount of heat HP was on
On to the second set:
Just... read these posts lol This is beyond pushing, this is outright antagonism. Like Royal very clearly just despises Fate by the time Royal gets voted out. I cannot read these as faked. Royal is 100% heated, and Fate does not give a single fuck. I didn't grab them earlier, but Fate never calls LP into question about the claim, he states early on D4 that he thinks it should just be believed. Fate is sitting here ready to shit on anyone, but he..gives LP a pass. Is it possible this is a scum mastermind plan? I guess, but I don't think so. Some of the exchanges above made me uncomfortable reading them.
So would you say that it in your opinion it looks like the hostility goes beyond distancing?
So you would be inclined to think they're not teammates?
Ephidel I've already responded to these same points before, I'm not wasting my time at day end doing it again in detail. I don't like trying to read through days of posts just for the sake of catch up. Look at the timing between Jman replacing out, me accepting, and then me posting. How you think I even had time to go read a bunch of shit or see what Jman said is beyond me, and I especially don't give a shit to because guess what - I'M TOWN. If I was scum sure, lot more likelihood of needing to be cautious and cover my ass. I didn't give a shit because I didn't need to give a shit. I do have flavor in my role PM, and while I can't quote it it says essentially: You're a borg homie, but not part of the collective. Peeps be mad sus on you and your intentions, but you just wanna flock in the flowers and chill. (Clearly embellished a lot on the way it's written so I'm not modkilled lol)
This is a big one. HPSauce is gonna appreciate this (unless..)
Early on, back on D1 we get a gut read from Royal. He says Ephi feels town. Okay, sure.
Jump forward to Day 2, now Royal is a little concerned. He pokes at Ephidel some, feeling like she feels responsible for the Launch wagon. I can't wait to see how he follows it up!
Oh wait. It's *checks notes* DAY FUCKING FOUR NOW?! Boy, Royal cared so little about that concern he made one post about it then never uttered Ephi's name again until I was in the game. That's how much time has passed. And just like that...back to a town read, one that he can't really explain. He isn't even sure what she's posted!
Again, Ephi listed higher in the reads list - he gets questioned about this:
Oh now he's had a good feeling there the whole game. Interesting, because he's barely talked to her, about her, and in fact, the only time I could find that he directly spoke to her it was to voice concerns he had and completely dropped later on. That's.. something. Surely he'll go into more detail later though.
More wishy washy reasons, just sort of.. town reads her because. And you're sitting here saying "Nat, but why did you mention HP at the top" well that's because, not only does Royal town read Ephi for seemingly very little reasoning... but he almost never speaks to her. All game. There's the post above where he quotes her and has some concerns. What else is there you might ask? Well..
This is literally the only interaction I could find between them in the entire fucking game lol
They weren't the only ones to not believe my claim. Anex didn't either: he even voted for me on D4 after Royal did. The timing of my claim, combined with Blarg dying instead of HP and the no kill night led to a lot of wild speculation.
I mean even you were on me.
I hear ya. Endgame is always exhausting no matter your alignment or position in the game.
I came to terms with the fact that regardless of my thoughts on his play he was pretty the doctor. I may be mental but I'm not voting out a doctor mental.
The difference is I wasn't on you, while saying my highest scum read was HP or Royal and voting them despite all of us agreeing on the concern around you. It's that specific dichotomy that is the head scratcher, but brings us to..
HPsauce. I have to be honest, at this point I admit to Rando up in the great beyond that I fucked this up. I think HPsauce is in fact, the other scum alongside Ephidel. Fate questioned me about this a bit ago - why bus Royal over HPsauce then? Well...they didn't.
Royal pushes hard for HP. He had been for awhile. Despite them aligning on all these other reads the two of them don't back off of this despite what in other situations would have people going 'whoa mind meld'.
And before Royal leaves he genuinely doesn't think he actually has much chance of being the vote. Why? Why is Royal so confident? Because he knows already what wagon scum is pushing. HP.
Even Ephi, despite earlier in the phase being all hum ho on HP is ready to go, and the moment Royal slips in the lead..
It was always meant to be a frame job. Scum pile on HP, HP dies but his teammates look good, and with that they hopefully have a chance to win.
HP wanted to die. Scum went into the phase prepared to bus HP in order to buy them more cred and time. He was always meant to die there, not Royal. The only scum vote on Royal in my opinion?
HP himself, to create additional separation and to not make it look too suspicious (why would scum HP not vote for his counterwagon? etc.). This is why we had trouble explaining the bus on Royal. "Why bus Royal over HP if they're both scum? It doesn't make sense." - Myself, like a dumb asshole, probably a dozen times earlier in the game. They DIDN'T bus Royal, but regardless town pushed Royal out the door and it majestically blew up their plan.
That's where I'm at at this point. Ephi and Royal fucking never interact. Royal just gives her a magical town pass for no reason without ever really talking to her (here at least..). HP and Royal mindmeld but for some reason hate each other and Royal firmly wants HP out and never waivers. Meanwhile Fate and Royal were at each other's throats. That shit is not easy to fake, and I reallllly don't think it was fake this time. That's the answer. I don't even mind dying today if it gets us there, but please heavily consider my arguments if you go me first.
I've done what I can though.
VOTE: Ephidel
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==== DAY 7 VOTES ====
Day Start
Ephidel (2 votes)
Verelios - #3,258
Natiko - #3,264
FateShirou (1 votes)
malus - #3,231
Natiko (1 votes)
HPSauce - #3,180
Not voting: Ephidel, Lone_Prodigy, FateShirou
Post Counts:
Verelios: 76 FateShirou: 74 Natiko: 50 HPSauce: 47 Ephidel: 30 Lone_Prodigy: 27 malus: 16
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Day Start
Ephidel (2 votes)
Verelios - #3,258
Natiko - #3,264
FateShirou (1 votes)
malus - #3,231
Natiko (1 votes)
HPSauce - #3,180
Not voting: Ephidel, Lone_Prodigy, FateShirou
Post Counts:
Verelios: 76 FateShirou: 74 Natiko: 50 HPSauce: 47 Ephidel: 30 Lone_Prodigy: 27 malus: 16
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yes im in chat complenting whats going on
Nat/Vere voting together, can they be a power duo? i tried looking at the jman-amb connection and found nothing
RL who flipped town, scumread them and so does ephidel
the points made against ephidel in terms of their interaction draws some thought
was it just royal not interacting with thread and having a safe town read on ephi or was royal trying to avoid interacing with ephidel
the other point is if its a hp/ephidel scum team, what connections do those two have
kinda closed my tab of ephidel <-> HP posts
this is one
had similar readlists and ephidel answers it
Is a scum team of ephidel/HP/Royal/Blarg possible?
I'm contemplating.
I want to vote Nat or Vere, and obviously Nat is the one that's an option at this point. I could push that to two votes so we're tied. Someone else will probably vote for me at that point, but eh.
But HP is the other person on Nat and I still, still, still don't know where I stand on him.
The other alternative, of course, is presumably trying to vote out HP but then at this point I guess I'm selling that vote... to Nat? Which is the same damn situation but worse?
Sod it.
Vote: Natiko
I want to vote Nat or Vere, and obviously Nat is the one that's an option at this point. I could push that to two votes so we're tied. Someone else will probably vote for me at that point, but eh.
But HP is the other person on Nat and I still, still, still don't know where I stand on him.
The other alternative, of course, is presumably trying to vote out HP but then at this point I guess I'm selling that vote... to Nat? Which is the same damn situation but worse?
Sod it.
Vote: Natiko
ephidel's vote on HP D1 came at the same time as HP's double vote
jman voted HP late, so i would think its safe to say Nat and HP are not scum-scum
jman voted HP late, so i would think its safe to say Nat and HP are not scum-scum
why do you think HP is scum with nat? i mean if you think nat is scum, then HP has to be a different alignment?
Nat vs Ephidel
malus, I and LP are the only ones not voting between those two
Nat's progression in the game felt natural, but i suppose that could be faked
not sure how much i like the implication that the scum pairing left is ephidel and HP
on the othe rhand, both of them are voting for nat
the Vere/Nat connection is just getting insane now as well
A scum team of nat/vere/royal/blarg? so day 1 it was amb/jman/royal/blarg
amb-jman never really interacted and so did the other two (they really didnt interact)
this is tough
I believed amb was town when they were playing and thought the way they claimed and left was something they would do as town
malus, I and LP are the only ones not voting between those two
Nat's progression in the game felt natural, but i suppose that could be faked
not sure how much i like the implication that the scum pairing left is ephidel and HP
on the othe rhand, both of them are voting for nat
the Vere/Nat connection is just getting insane now as well
A scum team of nat/vere/royal/blarg? so day 1 it was amb/jman/royal/blarg
amb-jman never really interacted and so did the other two (they really didnt interact)
this is tough
I believed amb was town when they were playing and thought the way they claimed and left was something they would do as town
That is a compelling case. But if the wagons were SvS, that means that scum full stacked on scum!HP. I don't think they risk that with PoE closing.
And then there's the two shot double vote. Yes we've seen flipped scum with town powers, but double vote is public and verifiable to a degree. And in a game that's not that big, an extra vote is pretty swingy.
And then there's the two shot double vote. Yes we've seen flipped scum with town powers, but double vote is public and verifiable to a degree. And in a game that's not that big, an extra vote is pretty swingy.
do you think that scum didnt bus royal, and the voting block on royal was 100% town?
I think they do it explicitly because the POE is closing. Just think about if I'm right, HP is out and Royal gets to say he vocally pushed for it. Ephi teams with Rando to push me out the door, then when I flip Miller go "oops, must be Vere instead then". It probably would've worked too.
I agree, double votes are traditionally town but we have seen them on scum before in our community. They also get disabled in mylo/lylo anyways in most cases.
im p sure HP made a comment on this, not going to search for it now
malus
between ephidel and nat, who would you shoot
at the back of mine the words of RL just ring, what if ephi is town and the ones playing us is vere/nat
One of the few interactions Blarg had was wishing Amb goodbye with an "honor to your house" gif in a game where we might just have another scum Klingon. There's my really stupid thing to lay forth at EOD if I go out, one last closing bit of paranoia based on a gif
Ultimately I am choosing to agree with you that they are not aligned.
I think this is a physical impossibility unless you think the last two scum are me and Malus?
If I'm wrong here you can turbo me tomorrow and I'll just be that meme of the guy putting on clown makeup.
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==== FINAL DAY 7 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
Ephidel (4 votes)
Verelios - #3,258
Natiko - #3,264
malus - #3,285
Lone_Prodigy - #3,288
Natiko (2 votes)
HPSauce - #3,180
Ephidel - #3,269
FateShirou (0 votes)
malus - #3,231 #3,285
Not voting: FateShirou
Post Counts:
FateShirou: 82 Verelios: 76 Natiko: 52 HPSauce: 47 Ephidel: 34 Lone_Prodigy: 33 malus: 19
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Day Start - Day End
Ephidel (4 votes)
Verelios - #3,258
Natiko - #3,264
malus - #3,285
Lone_Prodigy - #3,288
Natiko (2 votes)
HPSauce - #3,180
Ephidel - #3,269
FateShirou (0 votes)
Not voting: FateShirou
Post Counts:
FateShirou: 82 Verelios: 76 Natiko: 52 HPSauce: 47 Ephidel: 34 Lone_Prodigy: 33 malus: 19
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Is everyone around? We can just vote and blast through the next night and F3, and enjoy the rest of our weekend.
Like, I'm sorry if we lose, but I've spent a lot of time in this game and I'm tired.
Like, I'm sorry if we lose, but I've spent a lot of time in this game and I'm tired.