You need to go back and watch the movie, you missed the biggest lesson for Luke as a character.
Having Like just get into more "epic fights" would be more of an insult to his character than anything The Last Jedi did...
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You need to go back and watch the movie, you missed the biggest lesson for Luke as a character.
Having Like just get into more "epic fights" would be more of an insult to his character than anything The Last Jedi did...
Why do you think I'm the one they quoted? Quote Kuma Bear. I never engaged with Orb on that subject, nor do I intend to start a discussion on that subject. I couldn't care less about how the fights are choreographed, as long as they make sense in-universe.
Luke had the best arc in TLJ. He went from the hubris of trying to rebuild the Jedi Order to broken and embarrassed to hating the own Legend he had become and realizing he hadn't earned it to realizing that the Legend was important and then doing something truly worthy of living up to that Legend
Christ on a cracker. JJ will NOT retcon Rey's parentage or Snoke's death. Get a grip people. This is like after TPM when fanboys were certain Maul would return in the next film. It's mostly sad wishful thinking that is never going to pan out.
Rey's parents will still be nobodies in IX, and Kylo is the big bad, not Snoke reincarnated.
Rey's parents will still be nobodies in IX, and Kylo is the big bad, not Snoke reincarnated.
That isn't Luke. Luke threw down his saber in Jedi. Luke isn't a badass. He isn't your super hero. Wanting him to go out and blow stuff up goes againt who he is.
Mindless action at the expense of the characters character growth? No thank you.
They did bring Maul back in the Clone Wars cartoon. I was never a huge fan of that choice. Thankfully it doesn't affect the films.
I can't for the life of me recall how they got back in. I figured I missed it... U sure about this one?
I realize that this movie wasn't satisfying for a lot of people, but for me it's the best since Empire, and that seems to be the consensus of most of the people I know IRL.
Specifically, I view the subverting of expectations very exciting, and the place they've left the story wide open with possibilities. Think about this-- Episodes 4-7 plus R1 all basically feature the same conflict. Empire/First Order vs Rebels/Resistance. One or the other might have had an upper hand, but it's basically two military forces. Now, there is only one.
Also, regarding the "slow speed chase" aspect-- I have no complaints. Apart from a small band escaping, the First Order won. Since they had the Resistance on the ropes, why risk extending with fighters? They waited them out. It worked. It was the right strategy,
I've already weighed in on how I thought Luke's last stand was brilliant, and underscores the themes of the movie and is consistent with the Jedi ways. And I find Luke's backstory and actions consistent with the OT Luke. I've never consumed the EU material, but based on just the movies, it works.
Specifically, I view the subverting of expectations very exciting, and the place they've left the story wide open with possibilities. Think about this-- Episodes 4-7 plus R1 all basically feature the same conflict. Empire/First Order vs Rebels/Resistance. One or the other might have had an upper hand, but it's basically two military forces. Now, there is only one.
Also, regarding the "slow speed chase" aspect-- I have no complaints. Apart from a small band escaping, the First Order won. Since they had the Resistance on the ropes, why risk extending with fighters? They waited them out. It worked. It was the right strategy,
I've already weighed in on how I thought Luke's last stand was brilliant, and underscores the themes of the movie and is consistent with the Jedi ways. And I find Luke's backstory and actions consistent with the OT Luke. I've never consumed the EU material, but based on just the movies, it works.
Yeah, I meant in the mainline live action films though. Fans were speculating his return in AOTC, and even some truly deluded people held out hope for him in ROTS.
No it visually doesn't convey that, because the last shot show Finn extremely close to the canon and he has not turned to ashes far from it.
Verbally it does, a lot, and if it does so I am inclined to believe it's because it's not so clear visually.
Your maybe thing I don't really have to comment on it.
Exactly. JJ isnt destroying the entire arc of Rey vs Kylo.
Kylo is the guy born into royalty. His mother is a Princess and was a Senator, his dad is a war hero, grandfather toppled the Emperor, and his uncle is a legendary hero.
Rey is a nobody from drunk loser parents.
That comparison is what makes the Kylo vs. Rey dynamic work. JJ is NOT going to ruin that. He isn't a complete idiot, unlike a lot of fanboys.
I mean, it's amazing for you to think that, but you literally just expressed it way, way better than the film itself did, in one paragraph. The execution was janky as fuck.
I think it'd be more interesting if Rey could somehow ignite the foundation for everyone in the galaxy to start searching for the force within themselves, some successfully, others unsuccessfully, rather than create an all-inclusive academy for a resurrected Jedi.
It might be a valid point. I am just going to chalk it up to them being too small to target but it's never explained and I don't really need an explanation.
An incredibly reluctant showdown. The second he actually wins, he stops himself and tosses his lightsaber away, then gets zapped a lot.
I don't believe fan desires should dictate the vision of a writer or director. I don't think the character of Luke in this movie would have lent itself to an "epic fight," and in fact it would have undercut his character arc completely. And it's not personally something I needed or wanted.
Nah, it was pretty damn clear in the movie and worked wonderfully. Why do you think nearly every film critic praised Luke's arc in the film?
The person I was replying to specifically was not getting it. Your issues with those scenes weren't issues with that poster, because he didn't even know that's what was happening.
Honestly with this massive, massive crying campaign over TLJ, I just wish Star Wars went back to the nothingness it was after ROTJ. :/
dude, they see luke skywalker, why wouldnt they see finn and rose?
also kylo has a grudge on Finn too, why wouldnt he explode his ass right there running on the sand?
Man, can't say John Williams' soundtrack for this and TFA have been noteworthy. I need to listen to demo of the tracks on itunes or something. Can't recall a single tune in my head from either movie.
Why do people keep bringing that up like I have to agree with all critics? That means absolutely nothing to me. Besides IGN gave it a 9.7. Surely even the biggest fans of the film can see that's suspicious as fuck?
This. It's very satisfying if you go in with open expectations.
I honestly thought we were going to get Luke-as-Ben and one last Lightsaber duel out of him, but when he tossed the lightsaber I just went along and let the story unfold. I'm glad to *not* have gotten what I imagined-- what we got was better.
How in the hell would I have been able to express it to you in those words if the film didn't visually convey it? I didn't just make that shit up from whole cloth. It's literally all staring you in the face. Many people got it. Some people either ignored it or just missed it for some reason.
No fucking way.
Do you see all the endless young girls who dress up as Rey for opening weekend showings and Halloween?
Star Wars is THEIRS now. Not ours. Passing Star Wars on to young girls, giving them their own hero like we had Luke is the best thing Star Wars has given the world in 40 years.
This is why the Sequel Trilogy is so vital:
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Another thing about this weird JJ vs Rian narrative, are people even familiar with JJ Abrams's work? Yeah, he has his mystery box thing, and yeah he hardcore channels Spielberg and has found success (and some not-success, looking at you Into Darkness) re-purposing the past, but Alias, Felicity, Lost or shit like Cloverfield and other things he keeps in his orbit? I would venture to guess that the subversion and these dynamics left after TLJ probably have probably got him real excited.
There's a few original themes that could be memorable, but they're just extremely quiet compared to previous themes, making them slip past most people's ears.
No fucking way.
Do you see all the endless young girls who dress up as Rey for opening weekend showings and Halloween?
Star Wars is THEIRS now. Not ours. Passing Star Wars on to young girls, giving them their own hero like we had Luke is the best thing Star Wars has given the world in 40 years.
This is why the Sequel Trilogy is so vital:
http://i./i/pix/2015/12/12/06/2F4CCA4600000578-3357062-image-a-189_1449900812056.jpg
I just hope they won't have to suffer from the disgusting people that cause these downvoting hate campaigns from 4chan and Reddit.
They may still do this. There is another movie to come, and we still don't know how the First Order got so well equipped or wealthy.
Yes, of course Luke did all these things. Luke was the main character in ROTJ. He is not the main character in TLJ. It's not his movie.
I think they did.
I have seen countless people rank TLJ second only to Empire Strikes Back. So that score is pretty reasonable.
Was it? I thought the film got Luke's arc across pretty clearly.
... why is it "suspicious" that someone liked it enough to give it a 9.7? Say what you really mean.
Don't be so quick to write off any opportunities or possibilities. The film is great but there are other ways it could have been created, also...
Well what was this about?
I had thought Kylo Ren gathers some force users and they ravage Luke's new generation of Jedi. I'm guessing not, but that could have been a great way to weave in action with the sad demise of Luke's new generation of Jedi.
I mean - between how the film ends with Luke sacrificing himself to not only buy the rebels time but to inspire the entire galaxy - that seems the most likely thing (especially with the Force kid at the end). Rey's going to encourage people to use the force for good, while Kylo I imagine will encourage them to use it selfishly.
That is what makes me sad. Star Wars isn't about 30-40 year old fanboys nostalgic over the OT. You didn't get your badass Luke sequel trilogy?
Get over it. This is who Star Wars is for:
Woah woah woah... I agree with the rest of your post and all, but Luke:
1. Blew up the original Death Star with a one in a million shot
2. Okay, he didn't really do anything in ESB
3. Devised and executed (with help, obvi) the plan to rescue Han from Jabba
4. Surrendered himself over to the Emperor in what was basically a suicide mission as part of the plot to get the new Death Star shield down
5. Turned Darth Vader back to the Light Side just enough to get him to kill the Emperor and send the Empire scampering without leadership
Luke was and deserved his legend.
Yeah. The sooner they get rid of inclusivity in Star Wars a la Jedi and Sith, the better, in my opinion, and The Last Jedi certainly pushes in that direction.
THAT, and we STILL did get our badass Luke. Hell, he was more badass than he ever was in ANH and ESB.
That is clearly not the temple scene.Don't be so quick to write off any opportunities or possibilities. The film is great but there are other ways it could have been created, also...
Well what was this about?
I had thought Kylo Ren gathers some force users and they ravage Luke's new generation of Jedi. I'm guessing not, but that could have been a great way to weave in action with the sad demise of Luke's new generation of Jedi.
Ben wasn't Kylo yet when he destroyed the Temple. He had his blue lightsaber and didn't have his Kylo get up yet. This flashback is likely a few years after the temple destruction.
it is such a cool scene, i hope is a flashforward and we get to see this on 9
That's fine if you're not interested but "kill me" is just immature and serves no purpose in having a conversation.
I should say he felt like he hadn't earned it. Obviously he did some incredible things in the OT. But the shame he felt from losing Ben overshadowed all of that. You can really tell the pain he felt from failing Leia by losing her son to the dark side.
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