Steam is refunding Helldivers 2 players past the 2 hour refund window citing the PSN account requirement
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Awesome news
Game's gotten almost 150k negative reviews in the past 2 days. The response from the community has been clear. Hell no to Sony.
Game's gotten almost 150k negative reviews in the past 2 days. The response from the community has been clear. Hell no to Sony.
It sadly only seems to matter when it's directed at certain companies and not others. Calling PC gamers snowflakes, yet engaging in the rhetoric that is essentially fanboy wars.
Not only that but this doubly confuses me considering how many other Steam games require 3rd party accounts to play. This one getting singled out is just weird to me.
doubt it, if they do this for helldivers 2, they will HAVE TO do it for all their next GaaS games as this will be a precedent, so i reaaaally doubt they will roll back anything, maybe for people in other regions that doesnt have psn available but even that i doubt they will roll back that, according to devs they are having talks with sony since two days ago and nothing have happened yet, and according to devs, this requirement will be back next week for new players, so if by then nothing has change, it will be obvious nothing will change at all, refund the game, move on or keep playing the game, those are the options as of right now
Yeah, this.
And refunding a game after tens or hundreds of hours because someone doesn't want to take 2 minutes to sign up for a PSN account? Lol.
I haven't bought this, but I can kind of see why people would be upset. There's really no good reason why people should have to make a new account and hand over their personal information to Sony for a game that has been working just fine without it so far.
I'd also guess a subset of the people impacted by this were already mad at Sony for other things (Stellar Blade and maybe the Tsukihime art book thing) and just looking for a reason to spit in their eye.
Edit: I'd also like to echo some others here in saying this place is way too quick to side with corporations. Players don't get anything out of this requirement and Sony are the only beneficiaries. The continued commodification of customer data for profit or use in shareholder friendly metrics is legitimately concerning from my perspective.
I'd also guess a subset of the people impacted by this were already mad at Sony for other things (Stellar Blade and maybe the Tsukihime art book thing) and just looking for a reason to spit in their eye.
Edit: I'd also like to echo some others here in saying this place is way too quick to side with corporations. Players don't get anything out of this requirement and Sony are the only beneficiaries. The continued commodification of customer data for profit or use in shareholder friendly metrics is legitimately concerning from my perspective.
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Please do not take this in a bad way but I have been lurking from time to time in various subreddits which are discussing this issue and I just saw this post and it reminded me about some of the language i saw there too. Quite a lot of people were mad because they would need a PSN account specifically and thus the association with PlayStation, a console, as if that made it any different, more undesirable, than linking with any other publisher account that they had already done countless times before. They would use several variations of "I don't want anything to do with a console". It is posible that there is an element of PC Master Race in all of this for a part of those who are obviously quite pissed? Is that an element with your friends?
every game copy should be recalled and the game should be delisted imo
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See, that's my point! Since when did we become a forum full of pro-corpo stooges? Shouldn't we all be advocating for the consumer?
I mean, fuck, we have the "there's a defense force for everything" meme for a reason but folks on this site regularly going to bat for microtransactions, anti-consumer shit like this that can have an actual tangible negative effect on certain players, it feels like I'm in bizarro world. It was never this bad when we were all back on the old site. Maybe boot polish has gotten tastier these last few years, I don't know.
Did you forget that people were denouncing Stellar Blade in this very forum? You know, that game that just came out, was supported by Sony and was made by a studio accused of sexism that isn't doing themselves any favors with all those ass shots and jiggle physics?
Yes, by at least 7.5 points. If the score goes into negative, so be it. And they should also demand a public apology, followed by a recreation of the GoT "shame" scene by the developers. Finally, Sony needs to pinky swear to never do it again.
Those people with principles probably have a Rockstar, Ubi, Valve, Epic, EA, Microsoft account to play their Steam games…
But PSN was the red line for some of them apparently.
(How many people complaining are really among those countries without official PSN support? Probably a minority)
I still think Sony handled it wrong:
Announce that you get XX credits if you link your account, or 10% more EXP points during 1 month, 90% of the users would have done it without complaining.
Which they encouraged because they don't necessarily agree with the decision either. You can't demonize a group of people because there's some bad actors in there. If you think about things from that perspective than you may as well say that no protest should ever exist, because there will always be some shitty people willing to take advantage of the situation.
If that happens Gabe (savior of gaming) won't have enough money for another yacht.
Considering other prominent AH team members have been voicing their concerns as well about the backlash, shows this is not coming from AH community manager. No one wants to take shit for their bosses decision.
Also:
Ghost of Tsushima will have PSN account connectivity with trophies
Everyone: Hell yeah, Sony integrating!
Helldivers 2 will add PSN account connectivity
Everyone: The fuck you are.
Ghost of Tsushima will have PSN account connectivity with trophies
Everyone: Hell yeah, Sony integrating!
Helldivers 2 will add PSN account connectivity
Everyone: The fuck you are.
Sure, and Larian will starve without WOTC. /s
Smart cookies, they might have plans to go independent with future titles so why absorb all that bad faith? Next time around they can use the "no third party accounts" as a selling point and all.
Devs were aware of this requirement since the very beginning and they were the ones who disabled temporally said requirement shortly after launch, directly causing this shitstorm. Devs should not be telling people to go after their partner for their fuck-ups.
Sony just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Steam culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on PlayStation where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on Steam, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the Steam userbase, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Helldivers 2 for either marketplace, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.
Sony, publicly apologize and cancel PSN Integration for PC or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Irrelevant because most people just look at Metacritic and Opencritic which don't take in updated scores except in very rare circumstances.
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There is nuance to this situation. Something you are seemingly not capable of grasping.
Yet they've also encouraged people do to this… And all this negativity around the game is not beneficial for them. So yes, Sony's decision is a net negative.
I thought it was required on PC and then turned off do to server issues. If that is the case, the reviewers would have needed accounts, plus if they were reviewing on PS5 they for sure needed one.
If people could play for these last four months unimpeded without a PSN account, then it wasn't a requirement. If it said on text somewhere under the Read More section of a Steam page, that's not really anyone's problem if they booted it up and were able to play just fine without it. Should have made sure it worked first before launching the game.
But they did. They only paused it after launch because of server issues and explicitly said so ingame and on Steam, that this was only a pause.
How are we still doing this on page 8?!
Hahaha, would you believe me if I told you I was going to write that instead :)
Calling out gamer outrage bandwagons trying to trojan horse their own BS into a legitimate issue that affects a tiny minority of the people who are even part of it, that is even being addressed, is bootlicking now, alright
i dont understand this line of thinking. theres always terrible stuff going on around the globe. it doesnt mean people should keep quiet about less terrible stuff.
yes, it sounds ridiculous when you compare this to palestine, but people cant spend their every waking minute thinking about palestine.
already people have mocked about this commentary but also review outlets that played the game before day one, they had the psn account linking enforced.
So to your absurd question, HELL NO.
How exactly is it awesome news? Putting 225 hours into a game and then successfully receiving a full refund for it is disgraceful.
Unless they will fund and self publish their future games, i dont know if it's really smart for devs (or paid mods) to throw under the bus in public to the company that paid for developement and is publishing your game.
I could understand the complaints of this just came out of nowhere (though the fucking death threats are still inexcusable), but it didn't come out of nowhere.
Every trailer listed this requirement.
The Steam page lists this requirement.
The requirement is explicitly mentioned in-game.
Anyone flipping their shit over this was just being willfully ignorant.
Leaving Steam is not only petty, but also self-destructive. Sony's strategic goal of finding growth on PC would be effectively ended.
What part of they disabled temporarily the requirement due to problems did you dont understand?
The reality is what it is, we can dislike it, but the truth is that the requirement was always there from the first day, you can't deny that.
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