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SteamSpy dev: 2017 "the best year for Valve" ($4.3b* in paid game revenue, +63m accounts, and more)
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It means that I want 4.3 billion dollars, but instead I'm working towards someone else getting it. :P
Throw in DLC, throw in Steam Market sales, throw in TF2/CSGO/DOTA2 purchases (where Valve makes much higher than their normal 30% split and only shares revenue for community created content) and I'm guessing you're easily looking at 5 to 6 Billion.
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Very rough napkin maths:
Edit: I should clarify that I didn't use the current owners figure but rather the one reported on January 1st.. and, having said that, I've just realised I'm a dope and A) missed a 1 when noting China's share of the revenue figure ($167m, not $67m) and B) forgot to account for the few-day lag (i.e. I should have used the January 4th figure). D'oh.
Edit edit: $4,300,000,000 - ($173,775,541 [China] + $489,171,210 [rest of world]) = $3,637,053,249
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I do remember there was some speculation last year that PUBG was bringing more people onto the platform, which could account for increased revenue if those people were staying in the ecosystem.
Interesting. So it's still an increase but not that much. Well, it seems that it's pretty much stagnant since 2015 in that case.
I think it's mainly due to The Witcher 3 and GTA V happened in 2015 causing the bump, but people were staying which led to similar revenue in the next year. If these new users in 2017 who came for PUBG are staying, Valve may retain the 4 billion~ revenue next year. More developers are supporting Chinese language in their games as well nowadays. I even saw some topics in gaming discussions demanding Chinese language for already released games.
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Interesting. So it's still an increase but not that much. Well, it seems that it's pretty much stagnant since 2015 in that case.
I think it's mainly due to The Witcher 3 and GTA V happened in 2015 causing the bump, but people were staying which led to similar revenue in the next year. If these new users in 2017 who came for PUBG are staying, Valve may retain the 4 billion~ revenue next year. More developers are supporting Chinese language in their games as well nowadays. I even saw some topics in gaming discussions demanding Chinese language for already released games.
Not that it changes anything, but I'm a dumbo and messed up:
But I saw a Youtube video that said Steam is terrible and therefore Valve is in trouble cause gamers are leaving the service and aren't buying games there anymore.
Why are people just taking PUBG out of the equation? That's like saying "Well 2018 box office is looking pretty poor if you take Black Panther out of the equation...."
You can even read that kind of stuff here. Some people just have an axe to grind with Valve. Anyways, it's good to see Steam is still growing.
But I haven't bought a thing off steam in the last year...!
Oh wait I don't have that kind of money
*scratches around for two cents
Does this mean we get Portal/Half life 3 VR
Oh wait I don't have that kind of money
*scratches around for two cents
Does this mean we get Portal/Half life 3 VR
PUBG was lightning-in-a-bottle to a degree, so removing it from the equation gives a picture of Steam's place in the "normal" PC gaming sector. As texhnolyze says, if the PUBG players stay then it's different in the long-term to if they don't, so having an idea of with+without PUBG makes sense.
Excluding MTX and DLC too that's just insane imagine the numbers of money made including them on top
Even if PUBG hadn't come out at least some of the people who bought it would've spent that money on some other Steam product, surely. It doesn't make sense to just subtract all of the profit that PUBG brought in and say that that would be the picture of Steam revenue if PUBG hadn't happened.
How you would actually get a clear view of that is something I have no idea about, though.
How you would actually get a clear view of that is something I have no idea about, though.
Mayyyyyyybe? It might be that a good number of PUBG's sales were from people who viewed it as the PC version of Bloodborne/Halo/BoTW - a killer app that was worth getting, even if you buy everything else on a rival platform.
Certainly not all the sales are like that, though, it's true. And, yeah, no idea how you'd filter that out (by number of games on account, maybe?).
It would help determine if the non-PUBG section of their business stagnated (read: other AAA games and indies weren't part of the increase), which would mean that all those other games being bought on Steam are seeing less of a return from the platform. And it seems like it that is the case, shown by the most modest of market share bumps without PUBG factored in. But it is still just "napkin math", as JaseC put it, so it can only determine a lingering suspicion might have some merit.
BTW, thanks JaseC for that info and texhnolyze for contextualizing why I wanted to see it for everyone else in the thread while I was away.
I wouldn't matter anyway, since Valve opened the floodgates. So overall data will be useless. You would have to take big sample of specific devs that had published on Steam before and then compare their old sales to last year's and even that would be hard to directly compare if those games are wildly different
Why is that different than the bump from GTAV and TW3 in 2015? It was a 2 billion bump then.
Why would you take PUBG? A game performing exceptionally well doesnt mean that it should be taken out of consideration in a marketplace, as it can help drive the customer base to new heights. It could also happen that some of the people that bought PUBG would have gotten different games in steam.
why are MTX and DLC excluded? can't be tracked?
i wonder if they are also taxed differently (mainly the market transactions)
i wonder if they are also taxed differently (mainly the market transactions)
Ohhhh, that makes way more sense than what I was thinking about, thanks!
I literally don't understand the point of excluding PUBG because "lightning in a bottle", as though there isn't a "lightning in a bottle" title pretty much every year, or that there are millions of PUBG owners who own literally no other titles and will never buy anything else.
Indeed. And when you take into consideration what Galyokin said, quite a huge number of PUBG buyers are new Steam users. That's a bunch of people that got into the ecosystem because of PUBG, so it's silly to ignore the numbers.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news..._2017_was_Valves_most_profitable_year_yet.php
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- Steam made $4.3 b revenues in 2017
- 291 million Steam accounts (overall)
- 63 million new Steam accounts made in 2017
- 7696 new games in 2017, 21406 games overall
- PUBG sold 28m copies, $600m revenue, followed by CS: GO (12.5m sales, $120m revenue)
- A game must make $22m in gross revenue to break into Steam's top 20
- 57 m players active in the past 2 weeks
- 25% of all Steam account holders has played a game in the past 2 weeks (291m/4 = 72.75m)
- Around 30 games per day, more than 1 per hour
- 13.9% is American
- American user buy 6x more games than China user