Yakuza and xenophobia? I haven't gotten around to Infinite Wealth yet but I don't remember anything like that in the other games in the series. I believe it actually focused a bit on the difficulties that immigrant communities in Japan face.
Stellar Blade demo releasing March 29th, 2024 (Progress carries over to main game)
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You and others are going to have to accept that some folks will simply not be as angry, upset, concerned or as vocal about the same things that you might be. Doesn't make it okay to ignore certain things but it's also not okay to expect others to fall in line with how you view or feel about something.
This really. I really feel like there needs to be ground rules set by the mods over Stellar Blade discussion going forward because otherwise every topic about it is just going to be a shit show.
Whatever, I'll keep talking about it everytime I can. If even one person genuinely not in the know about these issues learn about it and chose to care, that's 70$ less in these motherfuckers pockets.
Every single person has both willfull and accidental blindspots. Especially when it comes to separating art from the artists. Posting about the issues with the artists should be allowed imo, but the finger wagging and asking people to justify their decision is obnoxious.
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Yeah, bringing up the issues with the game is completely fair but demanding that people have to explain themselves seems over the line
But why so we have to accept the way people are treated at that studio? Why do we have to put up with people disregarding some very real complaints about the way women are portrayed?
It's not like "my favorite color is green" that is being talked about here, it's about how this stuff isn't in a vacuum and how were just supposed to sit and watch while we're being pushed into a thread that nobody cares about and complain about "drive bys" when we're really not being listened to half the time because at the end of the day nobody actually cares about what women think. I get that it's just a product to people, but that dismissal says a lot in my mind.
I'm sure the game is fun. I love me a good action game. But I want us to stop pretending this will get better if we don't talk about it.
We all know. For example, any topics about Vanillaware games turns into this because the game definitely has the same issue with the female design portrayals, possibly even worse, since the child design is very slippery slope as well. But some posters in this board don't care because they are biased when it comes to their favorite devs and will go around coming up with some straw man logic to attempt to come up with an excuse saying its all tied into the game's plot and all that crap.
I always struggle with sweeping accusations that woman can't like these games.
My wife straight-up doesn't play video games. Her hobbies are so far removed from this one. But she actually really enjoys my Bayonetta and Nier playthroughs because - her words - she likes watching a sexy looking woman can also kick huge ass. She knows I'm excited for Stellar Blade and has no problem with that whatsoever.
I'm not defending the problems with the studio or the game... nor am I saying my one anecdote is more valuable than someone else's. I'm just saying, it's not fair to paint with such a broad brush.
My wife straight-up doesn't play video games. Her hobbies are so far removed from this one. But she actually really enjoys my Bayonetta and Nier playthroughs because - her words - she likes watching a sexy looking woman can also kick huge ass. She knows I'm excited for Stellar Blade and has no problem with that whatsoever.
I'm not defending the problems with the studio or the game... nor am I saying my one anecdote is more valuable than someone else's. I'm just saying, it's not fair to paint with such a broad brush.
Your experience is as valid as everyone else's, but that's the thing, there's also people out there who finds the overall sexualization from offensive to revolting. My sister, who got me into videogames when i was a kid, escrutinizes every game she's interested and discards it at the sight of any sexualization that is put front and center.
I'm a cis man and i like some eye candy from time to time, but i can at least emphatise with the sentiment.
Gonna be real, I give massive side-eye to any dude who comes in these threads to say "my wife likes it".
We don't care, dude.
I dont know their argument and im not co signing it, but post Yakuza 2, its always on sight when Koreans meet Kiyru, of course that applies to like literally everyone else, but Koreans in that franchise are always ready to go on some blood feud shit just because
Also is that person's wife in this thread right now? you would think so
If you're referring to the Project Eve trailer, that was Eve 06 whom most likely died. The protag of this game is Eve 07.
Posting it in a quote, as it is not really related to Stellar Blade:
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I'm not playing this game cuz no PS5. But when it comes to PC I'll give it a whirl, maybe. I'm more interested in it as a tinkerer than a player. It desperately needs a ReShade for color correction and piss/brown filter removal. Also super curious about modding potential, from outfits to hair and even face sculpting. (There's something a bit *too* "plastic" about the MC.)
As for justifying it... Mhm. I just don't care? My personal life is much too hectic to make everyone elses issues my own, and I use video games to wind down, not up. Nobody in my RL circle is concerned with this stuff, and tbh, none of my online friends either. So it is what it is and I'm not gonna stress myself worrying over it when I don't have to.
Everyone wants to think *their* issue is the important one that can't be ignored. But everyone has issues and sometimes those prevent people from caring about other issues around them. Mine is personal stuff. I got Ulcerative Colitis since I was 10, barely survived colon cancer in my late 20's. Daily life is sometimes a struggle as is. Like, just existing is hard. I can't be arsed to throw myself in front of other peoples busses.
I also work in translation for weeb shit. I've become largely stone faced to these kind of depictions. 🤷♀️
Is this ban bait? 🤔 Only the opinion of a handful of repeat Era posters matter? Like I'm just wondering where the line is drawn between one woman's opinion and another.
Are you upset at the telephone game aspect of it or that a woman might have opinions contrary to you and a few others? You used "We" but I can't imagine you speak for all Woman, that's folly, since this is Era I'm assuming you mean the ~20 or so of you keeping the "Why Woman..." Thread alive?
As for justifying it... Mhm. I just don't care? My personal life is much too hectic to make everyone elses issues my own, and I use video games to wind down, not up. Nobody in my RL circle is concerned with this stuff, and tbh, none of my online friends either. So it is what it is and I'm not gonna stress myself worrying over it when I don't have to.
Everyone wants to think *their* issue is the important one that can't be ignored. But everyone has issues and sometimes those prevent people from caring about other issues around them. Mine is personal stuff. I got Ulcerative Colitis since I was 10, barely survived colon cancer in my late 20's. Daily life is sometimes a struggle as is. Like, just existing is hard. I can't be arsed to throw myself in front of other peoples busses.
I also work in translation for weeb shit. I've become largely stone faced to these kind of depictions. 🤷♀️
Is this ban bait? 🤔 Only the opinion of a handful of repeat Era posters matter? Like I'm just wondering where the line is drawn between one woman's opinion and another.
Are you upset at the telephone game aspect of it or that a woman might have opinions contrary to you and a few others? You used "We" but I can't imagine you speak for all Woman, that's folly, since this is Era I'm assuming you mean the ~20 or so of you keeping the "Why Woman..." Thread alive?
Seems pretty obvious that Morrigan was speaking to men invoking their wives/girlfriends to counter talking points from other women. She has another post on this page agreeing that people shouldn't need to justify themselves, a handful of replies up from the one you quoted. Feels like you'd need to be being deliberately obtuse to think she was actually speaking for all women in the world.
The random shot at the sexualised design thread is weird as well.
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I'm obviously referring to the fact that this is a male poster using his wife's opinion to try and counter the women posting in this thread. If that guy's wife feels that strongly, she is welcome to create an account and post herself. And I literally said one shouldn't be baiting and demanding justifications out of others, so kindly keep your accusatory insinuations to yourself
LOL okay, I see you now
Thank you.
I don't think it's even possible to take that from Morrigan's post unless you're purposefully misrepresenting what she said.
Okay, yeah. This told me all I needed.
It wasn't random it was pointed.
"To think she was actually speaking for..."
Pointed specifically because of this. In my own post I said as much. She can't be speaking for all Woman, so just the ones here, and then further split that into the ones which can be arsed to care. Hence the shout-out, because that's the thread which springs to mind when I think of Era Woman speaking out on sexualization of Women in games.
And it's not a "shot" it's a reality. I lurk the thread often, even before I registered myself. Even if I can't be arsed to debate it's contents myself, I don't mind reading up and considering the viewpoints within. What I noticed though is it's the same handful of people keeping it going, the occasional shit-stirrer that gets (rightfully) thrown into the grinder, and some dudes who nod in agreement from time to time.
I don't care to debate whether that reality is unfortunate or not, and whether merely pointing that out is a "shot."
... Speaking of "accusatory insinuations." 😅
I wonder why folks from the "why women criticise sexualised designs thread" tend to stick to their own community and not bother venturing out to other threads like this. Hmm, it's almost like when they do they're constantly made to feel unwelcome and have their concerns dismissed/ignored/ridiculed. Truly a mystery.
If men are annoyed that women's (and others') negative opinions of a game are getting in the way of their enjoyment of said game, congrats, you're getting a small taste of the experience many women face daily in this hobby and on this forum.
This is a discussion board, sometimes popular enough games come along like Cyberpunk or Xenoblade 2 that are lightning rods for this stuff. Sure, be excited for the game, buy the game, play the game, but also accept that the (very small) price for enjoying a game with this blatant level of sexualisation/infantilisation of women is that threads about it are gonna continue to be contentious.
"I just don't give as much of a shit about this stuff as you do" should not be an acceptable response to these concerns on a forum that holds itself to the values it claims to.
If men are annoyed that women's (and others') negative opinions of a game are getting in the way of their enjoyment of said game, congrats, you're getting a small taste of the experience many women face daily in this hobby and on this forum.
This is a discussion board, sometimes popular enough games come along like Cyberpunk or Xenoblade 2 that are lightning rods for this stuff. Sure, be excited for the game, buy the game, play the game, but also accept that the (very small) price for enjoying a game with this blatant level of sexualisation/infantilisation of women is that threads about it are gonna continue to be contentious.
"I just don't give as much of a shit about this stuff as you do" should not be an acceptable response to these concerns on a forum that holds itself to the values it claims to.
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I suppose it's a secret skin or item you unlock for finishing the demo.
There's some problematic shit orbiting this game, period. If you don't give a fuck, you do you, I doubt any one on the internet will convince you otherwise.
But the idea that threads about this game should be insulated from a discussion about those problems is crazy to me. If the game can be discussed, it's issues should be able to be as well.
But the idea that threads about this game should be insulated from a discussion about those problems is crazy to me. If the game can be discussed, it's issues should be able to be as well.
What was the point then, that you genuinely thought Morrigan was speaking on behalf of all women on Era? I struggle to believe you sincerely thought that instead of her expressing frustration at a man using their wife to counter points made by other women in the thread. It's a pretty normal offhand way of expressing things. This part though – "or that a woman might have opinions contrary to you and a few others?" – feels needlessly barbed as well, after she agreed minutes earlier that people shouldn't need to justify their desire to play the game.
Since it's not mentioned anywhere it should be the extra boss that unlocks after you beat the demo, with extra skills unlocked so players can experience a more advanced combat.
You have an interesting definition of ban bait. He took it upon himself to post something stupid before Morrigan ever responded, that's on him. A man pointing to a woman who is not here as 'backup' while inventing a bogeyman version of a sentiment that wasn't stated (that there are "sweeping accusations that women can't like these games") is completely disingenous horseshit. Whether intentional or completely unthinking, it's been made very clear by now that it's sent an unwelcoming message to people who are posting in this thread about the issues they have either way. Some of whom are in agreement that the game should not be banned from discussion!
Also the dig at the design thread not having a huge amount of posters is not the sick burn you think it is. If you care about the diversity of women's viewpoints so much you are free to let go of your obvious grievances with the thread and go post in there with a willingness to listen and engage in good faith. Most of the regulars have been driven away from the discussion by 'but my girlfriend' stunts like that constantly getting pulled on gaming side deliberately making the conversation difficult to even have.
Why else would you randomly bring it up and make fun of its low poster count, I wonder. And you also accused me of ban-baiting!
Come on
Eh, I doubt it's just that as that's not really a gift for completing it. Imagine it's some in-game bonus for people who complete the demo like FF7 Rebirth and other games with pre-release demos have gotten. Another way to try to encourage people to preorder after finishing a demo.
I didn't, there's a lot of footage on YT.
Posted some videos in this thread in case you want to see:
Stellar Blade Demo now available on PS5 (UP: Dead)
sure but that's why we gotta shotgun approach that sucker! the great age of character action will come again!* *no it wont
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Maybe, just assumed it was the boss since they are keeping it hidden.
I didn't, there's a lot of footage on YT.
Posted some videos in this thread in case you want to see:
Stellar Blade Demo now available on PS5 (UP: Dead)
sure but that's why we gotta shotgun approach that sucker! the great age of character action will come again!* *no it wont
Maybe, just assumed it was the boss since they are keeping it hidden.
Haha thatnks for the quote. I didn't even know that you get extra stuff from playing FF7 Rebirth demo. I like such concepts in demos.
Sheit, I wasn't trying to light this thread up.
I was truly trying to respectfully (and at least give me that, my post was very polite) argue a point made three posts before mine: "nobody actually cares about what women think."
My point was I do care what women think. If my wife took issue with it, or my daughter, or pretty much anyone close to me then of course I would care they take issue with it, I wouldn't bring it into my house. Lots of people online have plenty valid reasons (just like they have valid reasons for not supporting SB) for not engaging in pornography - it's problemantic af. But most people still consume it. It becomes a much bigger problem when you invite it into your home when it's not welcome. But, in my case, the women I most closely associate with take zero issue with it at all. None.
I wasn't trying to argue that anyone's feelings in this thread are less than valid or somehow less valid than mine. Not at all. I was simply trying to explain that, ultimately, I do care what women think... but ultimately the women I am closest to. I wouldn't go blurt this out or "mansplain" my position in just any random thread or in a safe space for discussion... but at least to me, it felt fair in a SB thread. Sorry if that's out of line; I'll happily drop it.
I was truly trying to respectfully (and at least give me that, my post was very polite) argue a point made three posts before mine: "nobody actually cares about what women think."
My point was I do care what women think. If my wife took issue with it, or my daughter, or pretty much anyone close to me then of course I would care they take issue with it, I wouldn't bring it into my house. Lots of people online have plenty valid reasons (just like they have valid reasons for not supporting SB) for not engaging in pornography - it's problemantic af. But most people still consume it. It becomes a much bigger problem when you invite it into your home when it's not welcome. But, in my case, the women I most closely associate with take zero issue with it at all. None.
I wasn't trying to argue that anyone's feelings in this thread are less than valid or somehow less valid than mine. Not at all. I was simply trying to explain that, ultimately, I do care what women think... but ultimately the women I am closest to. I wouldn't go blurt this out or "mansplain" my position in just any random thread or in a safe space for discussion... but at least to me, it felt fair in a SB thread. Sorry if that's out of line; I'll happily drop it.
So you don't care about what women think. You care about what people you know think. If you cared about what women thought then you'd be listening to the women in this thread.
Why should it matter that it's a Stellar Blade thread? Shouldn't women feel welcome to share their opinions in any thread on this site without needing to be told "but the women I know think differently" as a counter argument?
Why should the women of this forum be essentially told that they should stay in a single thread, or as you put it "safe space" and not voice any opinions outside of it?
Stellar Blade is one of the reasons I gave in and bought a PS5 because the game looks like exactly my jam. I'm not bothered by the content of the game, I am bothered by the situation in Korea and with the developer. I just feel like if I boycotted every game with a shitty situation around the developer or publisher I wouldn't be playing very many games. Missed the chance to play the leaked demo, so I am really excited about trying out the game finally.
As a woman who's largely indifferent to most sexualisation in games, it always kinda grinds my gears when a guy posts something along the lines of "my wife/gf has no issue with this game" whenever there's criticism directed at games such as this. I don't appreciate men pointing to women like myself and going "see? This woman doesn't care! This is the correct opinion for a woman to have because it's the one that most aligns with my own and/or allows me to play my softcore porn games as guilt free as possible".
I don't think that was your intent and this isn't a dig at you personally, but that's just my general view on posts similar to the one you made.
Also while caring most about what the women closest to you think is understandable, it isn't exactly remarkable or particularly feminist imho.
Doesn't matter what you were trying to do my guy. By saying you know women who are fine with it you are implying every other woman should be quiet and agree with them.
As a man, don't evoke women in your life to dismiss concerns around sexism. Engage with the people in front of you.
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Don't worry. Althought next time your wife has an opinion, come here first to check whether it counts.
Well, as long as your wife thinks it's a 10/10 right? Super immature to bow out like this after the gentlest of corrections.
All of this is the reason why people who pull these examples are insufferable.
No doubt if we pointed to men who strongly embrace feminist opinions there'll be some other excuse as to why "those" men shouldn't be listened to but the men who conform to their views should be!
Whoa. This thread doesn't look like it's about this demo. What's going on with this game? It looks promising. Is it just (well, "just") that the character looks like they ripped her out of a CG Pornhub video? Or is something else up with the developer?
I'm not sure if I'll buy it and I half expect it to flounder anyway, but I'll give the demo a try.
Guessing to go along side the upcoming demo this week, GI did a feature
www.gameinformer.com
Stellar Blade Feature – Angel From Heaven
Stellar Blade wants to restore balance to its fictional world and an industry overloaded with endless mobile games
www.gameinformer.com
Unfortunately the tweets that started the conversation were taken down, but you could still get a general idea of what transpired, I think.
Former employee of Shift Up (Stellar Blade) accuses the company of harassing her and deleting her work for supporting a feminist hashtag online
https://twitter.com/Gaming_Rukiana_/status/1570961507030298625 https://twitter.com/Gaming_Rukiana_/status/1570961509903400967
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Basically, the developers have a history of harassing their women employees. The CEO also believes that Eve's design is "brave" and GG-chuds have latched onto it as some rallying cry of all the "ess-jay-double-yous" that are destroying the gaming medium.
Unfortunately the tweets that started the conversation were taken down, but you could still get a general idea of what transpired, I think.
Former employee of Shift Up (Stellar Blade) accuses the company of harassing her and deleting her work for supporting a feminist hashtag online
https://twitter.com/Gaming_Rukiana_/status/1570961507030298625 https://twitter.com/Gaming_Rukiana_/status/1570961509903400967
Basically, the developers have a history of harassing their women employees. The CEO also believes that Eve's design is "brave" and GG-chuds have latched onto it as some rallying cry of all the "ess-jay-double-yous" that are destroying the gaming medium.
Aha. "Brave", LOL. Thanks for the info.
lol, I see we've already had these topics version of "I have black friends"
Look, even if you want to push aside the genuine concerns that women may have over the attitudes that this sort of female character design have fostered in male gamers over the decades or it being so wearisome that there's yet another release that views them as a bottom tier demographic.
Speaking as a male gamer, aren't you other guys just..... embarrassed by this sort of character design? It's sexualized to the point of parody, it's like they read that infamous "Cammy's ass is part of her personality" post and based the whole character design around that.
Aren't you embarrassed by the fact that they think you won't engage with a game unless you're permanently titillated by having a comically phat booty in vacuum sealed leggings literally thrust into your face as you play?
I'm not offended by video game T&A, but I'm more than a little irritated that devs like these still think male gamers all have the sexual maturity of an awkward 14 year old.
There's a whole internet of pornographic content out there, we don't need it to also be shoehorned into games where it stands out like a sore thumb and just looks ridiculous.
Look, even if you want to push aside the genuine concerns that women may have over the attitudes that this sort of female character design have fostered in male gamers over the decades or it being so wearisome that there's yet another release that views them as a bottom tier demographic.
Speaking as a male gamer, aren't you other guys just..... embarrassed by this sort of character design? It's sexualized to the point of parody, it's like they read that infamous "Cammy's ass is part of her personality" post and based the whole character design around that.
Aren't you embarrassed by the fact that they think you won't engage with a game unless you're permanently titillated by having a comically phat booty in vacuum sealed leggings literally thrust into your face as you play?
I'm not offended by video game T&A, but I'm more than a little irritated that devs like these still think male gamers all have the sexual maturity of an awkward 14 year old.
There's a whole internet of pornographic content out there, we don't need it to also be shoehorned into games where it stands out like a sore thumb and just looks ridiculous.
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