I see what you mean and I apologize for my vagueness sounding like I'm being a bit of a rhetorical weaseling. What I meant is in the sense of "games that are not necessarily going to depict people and their bodies, and their presentations in a 'realistic' way". That also could include extremely sexualized characters. I think there's a place for that. I haven't played the game—I've only seen trailers and read some reviews. But I feel like my complaints are that the game lacks the will to really EXPLORE sex and sexualized presentation. How does Eve feel about it? How does Adam or any other NPC react? What does beauty mean in the context of the world? How can this allegorically relate back to our current social concerns and realities? Where are the male gaze characters?
Also: it's wild to me that breast physics have been around for well over a quarter century and they still use cheap and unnaturalistic 'spring-strut' mechanics. Like as long as it satisfies the inner 12 year old boy, you never have to be better or more subtle about visually depicting video game eroticism.
I guess it could be boiled down to me feeling that the game likely doesn't go far enough. It reminds me of Anime where there's no shortage of large chested women or nudity but characters actually having sex or sexual relationships is in a shockingly small ratio. I wouldn't say Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is perfect about things (although I love it) but at least it depicts Tifa as somebody considered in-universe beautiful, subject to comments and objectification, having issues forming friendships due to a lack of genuine interaction due to her looks and her bartending job, lateral violence from other women, etc.
I see where you're coming from and I'm trying to not point to an absolute low bar and say "this is higher than that therefore everything is fine" but I don't feel like we're on some slippery slope right now. I feel like we're in a better place than we've ever been because I was a gamer in the 90s and 00s and I know how the depictions and discourse around women and their presentation and the hangups around playable women characters used to be. I look at the popular games played in the last couple years and I don't see them as being overrun with an increasing amount of sexualization. Mortal Kombat 1 feels like the big standout representative in that area looking at the top ten sellers of 2023. Yes, there's going to be problematic games and yes we'll be aware of them in a way we maybe weren't aware of the strip mahjong and princess maker games of 30 years ago. And yes, we should absolutely be discussing it and constantly in conversation about the kinds of art we get and the kind we want to see.
Oh by all means! I would never try to browbeat somebody into spending 70 USD on some piece of entertainment they have serious reservations about. I'm on the fence myself. There's lots of things I find appealing about SB from the mechanics to the art direction. There's things I feel neutral about with SB. And there's things I feel disappointment about with SB. I guess I have a few days to figure it out myself.
I appreciate your response: definitely don't feel like you need to be overly defensive here, I know sometimes conversations about stuff like this can be dicey but it's very obvious to me you're engaging in completely good faith. That's valuable and worthwhile all on its own.
I think you and I are basically in an accord regarding your comments around how the sexualization is just air-dropped into the game devoid of context. I definitely think something about that is "ickier" than say...what you say FF7 Rebirth does with Tifa (I haven't played it yet) or, on the opposite scale, a dedicated soft-porn game explicitly created to titalate. It adds a miasma of casualness that seems especially pernicious: "of course she is curvy and bouncy and glistening...why wouldn't she be?"
As a closer point of comparison, I'd even say the (ancient, forgotten) GameCube game PN03 is better in this regard. It also has a sexy lady being curvacious and doing gyrations in a future sci-fi setting, but it is very self-aware. Now, I'm not saying that game is some feminist triumph--far from it--but it goes back to a sense of honesty or straightfowardness. If you're going to go there: own it, and accept that people will criticise or be put off. Don't just drop some male gaze sex doll into a setting that has nothing to do with and no interest in male gaze sex dolls.
I think if this game WERE a more committed to the concept of a theoretical "sexy fashion show"--even in the context of sci-fi alien fighting--then it would paradoxically feel less egregious. But the fashion, sexualization and the core game elements feel like roommates of convenience, as it stands right now. They're not in conversation with one another, if that makes sense.
To be clear, that wouldn't solve my complaints if they were, but I think it would make the defense of high-fashion interest ring a bit more true.