• Light/Dark
  • Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

Stranger of Paradise spoiler thread: Chaos is bullshit is Chaos (unmarked spoilers)

ItWasMeantToBe19

ItWasMeantToBe19

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
Surprise, fuckers, Nomura wrote Kingdom Hearts again for this story!

Darkness
Darkness is light
Darkness is darkness is light
Darkness is light is darkness
Darkness is chaos
Darkness is needed for the light
Kill Darkness to become Chaos

"All begins and ends with Darkness"
 
Last edited:
MadLaughter

MadLaughter

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
13,101
I get bored just reading the concept, I can only imagine how bored the development team must feel when on day 40 animating their 30th cinematic about light and dark and chaos
 
OP
OP
ItWasMeantToBe19

ItWasMeantToBe19

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
MadLaughter said:
I get bored just reading the concept, I can only imagine how bored the development team must feel when on day 40 animating their 30th cinematic about light and dark and chaos
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Yeah, I have no idea how Nomura thinks it's interesting to keep writing about using darkness to time travel and whatever dumb shit he uses the concept of darkness for.

But it's amazing he literally just made this game M rated Kingdom Hearts.
 

TronLight

Member
Jun 17, 2018
2,457
Do we know how long does the game last on average? Because I want to play it for the... story... but I don't want to spend 80 hours on it.
 
FuzzyAssassin

FuzzyAssassin

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
630
TronLight said:
Do we know how long does the game last on average? Because I want to play it for the... story... but I don't want to spend 80 hours on it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Mr Happy, a well-known FFXIV streamer and guide creator, finished the game in a 20-hr stream after picking up his demo save data. I think there are 17 main story missions, each between 1-2 hours.
 
Thewonandonly

Thewonandonly

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,251
Utah
I think nomura like Kojima need a writing room. They have cool concepts and stuff but the way they go about it is so dull and boring. At least for death stranding haven't played MGS so I don't know how wild those get.
 
OP
OP
ItWasMeantToBe19

ItWasMeantToBe19

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
AhiKuma said:
Do we have actual story spoilers? I don't understand anything in the OP.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

The game quickly devolves into Kingdom Hearts with Jack ranting about darkness and characters making very inane statements about darkness. The final boss is a NiOh looking Heartless with the name "Darkness Manifest"

This amused me greatly as Nomura was in charge of Kingdom Hearts and this, but the Kingdom Hearts focus on darkness was not hinted at in the promotional material leading up to release.
 
Lord Fanny

Lord Fanny

Banned
Apr 25, 2020
25,953
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The game quickly devolves into Kingdom Hearts with Jack ranting about darkness and characters making very inane statements about darkness. The final boss is a NiOh looking Heartless with the name "Darkness Manifest"

This amused me greatly as Nomura was in charge of Kingdom Hearts and this, but the Kingdom Hearts focus on darkness was not hinted at in the promotional material leading up to release.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I think what he's asking is if you're going to actually spoil the plot beats, because all you're doing is kind of just giving fractured and kind of vague descriptions lol
 
Indurian

Indurian

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,669
I came in here to find out if Jack kills chaos. It's been over 30 minutes and I have no answer.
 
--R

--R

Being sued right now, please help me find a lawyer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,807
Nomura isn't writing the game, stop blaming him for things he's not doing, lol.
 
Chaserjoey

Chaserjoey

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,638
I skimmed the final cutscene so this is probably all wrong but my understanding is -

They're all stuck in a loop created by the Lufarians to deal with keeping the darkness in check, which is done via the Stranger project.

Astos has a plan to break the time loop the strangers are in and they all get the crystals that hold their memories. The four friends use Jack to take on the mantle of Chaos and guide him down that path.

They all go back in time where they transform into their four fiends bodies and explain to Jack what they did.

Jack becomes Chaos and in 2000 years the warriors of light turn up to fight him.

Like I said I skimmed it but if you have half an hour:
 

Deleted member 4090

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,053
chandoog said:
so does this end with Jack turning into the Chaos from FF1 ?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Sort of. Split timelines and it doesn't lead into FF1 because too much is just fundamentally different. Luferia is a future society that is basically quarantining darkness within the past in a series of time loops, but Jack and pals with Astos' help break the cycle and gain control of it.

This isn't at all "Garland awakens the four friends and the four friends send Garland back in time to awaken the four friends".
 
AlexFlame116

AlexFlame116

Prophet of Truth - One Winged Slayer
Member
Nov 17, 2017
23,182
Utah
I'm just wondering if we see the Warriors of Light from FF1 and how they all look.
 
chiller

chiller

Member
Apr 23, 2021
2,777
Chaserjoey said:
I skimmed the final cutscene so this is probably all wrong but my understanding is -

They're all stuck in a loop created by the Lufarians to deal with keeping the darkness in check, which is done via the Stranger project.

Astos has a plan to break the time loop the strangers are in and they all get the crystals that hold their memories. The four friends use Jack to take on the mantle of Chaos and guide him down that path.

They all go back in time where they transform into their four fiends bodies and explain to Jack what they did.

Jack becomes Chaos and in 2000 years the warriors of light turn up to fight him.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

fuck yes

Crossing Eden said:
The writing staff of this game straight up admitted to changing their marketing plans because apparently western viewers figured out their plot twists. 😂
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

This is so good. Bless this game.
 
OP
OP
ItWasMeantToBe19

ItWasMeantToBe19

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
I didn't spoil the plot right away because I'm still incredibly confused at what darkness can do in this game, lol.

Darkness needs to be dumped into a timeloop dimension to be quarantined from the advanced civilization, but darkness can also time travel, and darkness can become a heartless. What is this darkness and what can't it do.
 
FuzzyAssassin

FuzzyAssassin

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
630
The final boss fight is against Chaos and named "Darkness Manifest". It's the standard Chaos design that's been used ever since Dissidia.
 
VariantX

VariantX

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,895
Columbia, SC
Crossing Eden said:
The staff of this game straight up admitted to changing their marketing plans because apparently western viewers figured out their plot twists. 😂
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

...figured out? That shit was obvious from the first second when we found out it was about FF1 and it wasn't the classic WoL as the protag and this new meathead going on about killing Chaos. I literally went "oh so this dudes Garland before the heel turn". The specifics as to why that happened were a complete mystery though.
 

Deleted member 4090

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,053
The greatest moment is when Jack punches Astos and Astos punches Jack, and their fists meet, and it shows an image of when they fist bumped earlier in the game.

I'm not joking.
 
Last edited:
Lord Fanny

Lord Fanny

Banned
Apr 25, 2020
25,953
VariantX said:
...figured out? That shit was obvious from the first second when we found out it was about FF1 and it wasn't the classic WoL as the protag and this new meathead going on about killing Chaos. I literally went "oh so this dudes Garland before the heel turn". The specifics as to why that happened were a complete mystery though.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

It was originally going to be a mystery. There was a big interview in Famitsu about it, and I think it was Nomura who said that originally the marketing was going to be more 'Who is Jack?' and they then pivoted to 'How does Jack become Chaos?' instead, but it seems like they just kind of abandoned that and started marketing it as more of a 'reimagining' of FF1 even though it seems like it was more of a prequel in spirit based on these spoilers, so I kind of think they never really figured out how to present the game.
 
Soulflarz

Soulflarz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,808
losing my mind at him fistbumping over his allies corpses sad no one can fistbump back WHAT IS THIS GAME
 

Deleted member 4090

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,053
Lord Fanny said:
It was originally going to be a mystery. There was a big interview in Famitsu about it, and I think it was Nomura who said that originally the marketing was going to be more 'Who is Jack?' and they then pivoted to 'How does Jack become Chaos?' instead, but it seems like they just kind of abandoned that and started marketing it as more of a 'reimagining' of FF1 even though it seems like it was more of a prequel in spirit based on these spoilers, so I kind of think they never really figured out how to present the game.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

It follows the story beats of FF1, and doesn't remotely like up on core specifics about what crystals are, etc. There is no way that it is a prequel to the FF1 that we know.
 
Crossing Eden

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,406
VariantX said:
...figured out? That shit was obvious from the first second when we found out it was about FF1 and it wasn't the classic WoL as the protag and this new meathead going on about killing Chaos. I literally went "oh so this dudes Garland before the heel turn". The specifics as to why that happened were a complete mystery though.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Posts like this are why they changed the marketing plans. 😂
 
Lord Fanny

Lord Fanny

Banned
Apr 25, 2020
25,953
Neoweee said:
It follows the story beats of FF1, and doesn't remotely like up on core specifics about what crystals are, etc. There is no way that it is a prequel to the FF1 that we know.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

It's a prequel in the sense that it shows how Garland became Chaos, which is something that is never explained in the original game. That's why I said 'prequel in spirit' and not direct prequel to the events of FF1. It feels pretty obvious at this point that they were going to try and present this as some kind of retelling of FF1 and then have the twist be that it's actually about Chaos/Garland with the Warriors of Light being hinted at the end, even if it doesn't line up exactly with FF1
 
chiller

chiller

Member
Apr 23, 2021
2,777
Does Jack/Garland/Chaos say "I, Garland, will knock you all down!!" at any point in this game.
 
Crossing Eden

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,406
FuzzyAssassin said:
From MrHappy's stream
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

rUsSR9q.gif
 
Otnopolit

Otnopolit

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,593
Final cutscene looked pretty gory, interesting they took it this far. Wonder if they'll continue to do M rated spin-offs if this have any sort of commercial success.
 
Truant

Truant

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,760
Just give it to me straight.

Does he kill chaos and if so, does it satiate his hunger?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.