China has built 380 internment camps in Xinjiang, study finds
Construction has continued despite Beijing’s claim ‘re-education’ system is winding down
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Study funds China has built 380 internment camps in xinjiang
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How many people we talking about here. Must be thousands.
At this point I really don't know what it will take for the world to do something.
At this point I really don't know what it will take for the world to do something.
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Not being flippant but what can we do? What options does the world have against a belligerent China? We can't just invade, and what good will sanctions do?
My personal opinion is that this is the responsibility of the Chinese people, but what can they do?
It's like Unit 731, except there are loads of them, and we all know.
Given the populace are put up on big screens in town for misdemeanours and have their liberties taken away just for saying the wrong thing, don't expect any efforts from the public. not having a go at them. China is working as intended. I don't doubt there is resistance in some corners, but like you said, what the hell can they do? It reads like it would take a massive shift in public perception of the government for anything to happen, and it makes sense to me that a perceived shift in opinion would only result in tighter restrictions given the infrastructure is in place to do so. It's horrific.
Given the populace are put up on big screens in town for misdemeanours and have their liberties taken away just for saying the wrong thing, don't expect any efforts from the public. not having a go at them. China is working as intended. I don't doubt there is resistance in some corners, but like you said, what the hell can they do? It reads like it would take a massive shift in public perception of the government for anything to happen, and it makes sense to me that a perceived shift in opinion would only result in tighter restrictions given the infrastructure is in place to do so. It's horrific.
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Same with North Korea, we know about the camps, just no one is doing anything about them. This shit fucking sucks.
Mate I watched a Vice vid a decade ago about the Russian logging camps for naughty North Korean citizens. I would laugh in the face of anyone who attempted to suggest there'd been a modicum of improvement rather than a continuation of the trajectory. Especially since trump and his desperate fumbling in Kim's pants.
It's horrible, but I fear nothing can be done about it short of going to war and forcing China to put an end to it. And no one is going to go to war over it.
Sanctions can do a lot. The very act of sanctions will publicize the camps, and maybe the economic pain will hurt China enough to lessen the harshness in the camps.
Obviously, sanctions will always hurt the poorest in society but i don't think sitting by watching it happen without even trying to change it is good.
Who would sanction China?
Russia doesn't care. The Muslim world doesn't care. The EU doesn't dare. And the US doesn't care as Trump respects such leadership methods and never cared about human rights anyway.
The only reason why the US would sanction China is if Trump thinks it might benefit him to pretend to be "touch on China", but that obviously won't include any principled stance so China can simply ignore it.
There are specific sanctions that can done, and more broader ones. You can target individuals like military officers and politicians, companies operating the camps in Xinjiang. Sanctions when coupled with economic warfare vs China have gained attention worldwide. Obviously, Trump needs to be tossed from the picture, but it would be in EU's and the US's interest to reaffirm human rights sanctions are still usable.
But I seriously doubt it will sway China, the domestic goal will override all foreign considerations but the effort should be made nevertheless.
We could do targeted sanctions, aka a Magnitsky Act for China.
We need a Magnitsky Act against CCP officials responsible for this.
China is not an oligarchy like Russia. It's a single-party dictatorship. If you hit one party operative with sanctions they will just replace them with another one.
Hitting individuals makes sense in Russia, because these individuals hold the power. But in China, the party holds all the power and the individuals are replaceable. The party doesn't give a fuck about whether some of their own are inconvenienced by some sanctions or frozen bank accounts.
Also, loads of western companies' supply chains are reportedly connected to the slave labor from the concentration camps.
We have a thread on it here on Era: https://www.resetera.com/threads/bb...-apple-google-microsoft-nintendo-sony.172923/
We aren't even able to keep our own companies from supporting genocide, so based on what can we sanction Chinese companies for it?
I think the first and most logical step would be to prohibit the sale of any products directly or indirectly connected to these concentration camps.
This hurts China the most because it hurts China's role as the world production hub.
Would be interesting to see people's reactions when they don't get their new Playstations and Xboxes this fall because of this.
The US has an anti-liberal authoritarian leader who enjoys the support of roughly half the population.
The US is no longer a champion of human rights.
In fact, one of the first things the Trump administration did was joining Russia and China in their fight against the so-called human rights regime. (Since the United Nations was established in 1945, world leaders have cooperated to codify human rights in a universally recognized regime of treaties, institutions, and norms. China once called human rights a form of "western imperialism" as it rejected the underlying liberal ideology that informed human rights. The US now also rejects liberal ideology and along with human rights.)
Why are you expecting a country that has been actively and systematically fighting against human rights for the past 4 years to stand for human rights now?
The US isn't part of the "good guys".
The only "human right" they really care about is private property, anything else is twisteable at will.
If the governments of the world tolerates this it's because it's profitable