Sugar | Official Trailer | Apple TV+ | Apr 5 | Colin Farrell, Amy Ryan
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In general, I am enjoying the show. I knew the twist was coming but coming 6 episodes in as well as being ridiculously presented kind of drags it all down. Even with seeing the reveal coming, it was a cringeworthy moment and incredibly unfortunate.
Still going to finish it though…
Still going to finish it though…
Yup that was unfortunately the kind of twist that I was expecting. I'm still in especially since I could watch Farrell watch paint dry but I would have been more than happy with the crime noir vibe.
That ‘Sugar’ Twist: Colin Farrell and Team Explain His Character’s Big Episode 6 Reveal
Farrell, Showrunner Mark Protosevich, director Fernando Mierelles break down the big surprising reveal about private investigator John Sugar.
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They originally planned to have the twist in the first episode, and only later moved it to the end. I think they should have kept it at the beginning. This is an amazing concept for a TV show, but now we only have two episodes left to explore it, after spending six episodes hinting at it. At least they didn't move it to the finale.
I do wonder if the turn would go down smoother if it happened earlier. Having it this late sucks the oxygen out of the room. How am I supposed to focus on the case now? I felt it coming during the episode with his "mom." Their relationship seemed perfunctory. Before that I thought time travelers or spies, but something about that episode tipped me towards aliens.
I'm not super bothered by the turn since I was prepped. But like I said before, I'd probably like the stripped down version of the show more. When they started setting up his weird secret group and mysterious ailments, I said "Uh oh."
Although it is kinda wild that DC probably wouldn't be able to get a Martian Manhunter solo series or movie off the ground right now but here we have Colin Farrell as an alien private detective lol
I'm not super bothered by the turn since I was prepped. But like I said before, I'd probably like the stripped down version of the show more. When they started setting up his weird secret group and mysterious ailments, I said "Uh oh."
Although it is kinda wild that DC probably wouldn't be able to get a Martian Manhunter solo series or movie off the ground right now but here we have Colin Farrell as an alien private detective lol
I've been watching this not knowing there was to be a twist.
A few episodes ago it was mentioned that
And jokingly told myself
That got me thinking it would be cool to have a TV series that suddenly changed it's genre.
And here we are.
I'll love it!
A few episodes ago it was mentioned that
we are just here to observe these people
they were aliens
And here we are.
I'll love it!
I didn't see it coming. Not sure I like having the genre flipped on me. Now I kinda don't care what happens here on out.
I started watching this without knowing anything from the show, I saw it was number 1 in the most watched on my AppleTV, man this show is good, up to episode 4 so far, love the noir take with a modern setting, 2 episodes to catch-up and now internet is telling me there is a huge twist on episode 6, hopefully I don't get spoiled until I have time to catch up, sometime this week.
I was sure he was a robot or something, but damn. Definitely makes me rethink the pst episodes a bit—his fascination with movies, his ability to take hits and keep on going, the generally benevolent spirit, the secret society, the journals, very cool. I do agree that the reveal could have come sooner but I don't mind it.
Just read about the thing and, well... that's something. lol
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It's weird because in a different time it might have been an interesting slow burn twist, but now it just makes people feel like they've wasted their time.
This was Sepinwall's criticism of the show where he quoted that "surf Dracula" thing where TV shows have to backload their twist and then spend all their running time getting there.That ‘Sugar’ Twist: Colin Farrell and Team Explain His Character’s Big Episode 6 Reveal
Farrell, Showrunner Mark Protosevich, director Fernando Mierelles break down the big surprising reveal about private investigator John Sugar.
They originally planned to have the twist in the first episode, and only later moved it to the end. I think they should have kept it at the beginning. This is an amazing concept for a TV show, but now we only have two episodes left to explore it, after spending six episodes hinting at it. At least they didn't move it to the finale.
'Sugar' Gives You a Sweetly Hardboiled Colin Farrell and One Sour WTF Twist
The Oscar-nominated actor plays an old-fashioned private detective chasing down a missing woman in L.A. — until an 'Oh noir, you didn't!' left turn spoils everything.
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It's weird because in a different time it might have been an interesting slow burn twist, but now it just makes people feel like they've wasted their time.
I feel like most of the non-press who have criticized the twist haven't watched the show, or haven't watched the show closely. To say this show is just a "hard-boiled detective noir" is to either be willfully ignorant or is the product of people surfing Instagram rather than paying attention. Stuff is off about the show from the very first scene of the first episode (the whole first episode has almost a "sound stage" / amateurish vibe; it was directed by Fernando Meirelles who is anything but). Things are constantly seeded throughout; Sugar's empathy, how he abhors violence but what he can do when left with no choice, how he constantly references old movies, how he seemingly never sleeps, his weird way with animals, the strange drug he takes (they hint it's heroin but it certainly doesn't look like it nor does he act like an addict), the weird party he's invited to via a card with a symbol featuring a cabal of beautiful people who all go upstairs to be "interrogated," etc. Beyond that, camera angles, shot choices, composition, color, and so much more serve to telegraph that "all is not what you're seeing" here. It doesn't come right out and say what the twist is until episode 6, but you'd have to be dense to not think something big was going on just under the surface. Whether that twist was effective or not is up for debate, but it does not come out of nowhere. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop from the first episode.
My wife, whose brain rejects sci-fi and fantasy the minute it shows on screen was enjoying the show until THAT happened, She saw that and nope'd, but She was enjoying the show up until that point, She has an aversion to fantasy, Sci-fi, superheroes and all that stuff, it just doesn't click with her, lol.
1 more week to the finale, drops like 9pm EST on thursday nights
this show went from cheesy 80s movies to fucking se7en in the last 5 mins lol. Jesus Christ that room
Haha! Such an interesting reaction. If she enjoyed it up to that point, then who cares what genre the material is.
My wife isn't As bad as that, but up until that happened, she'd roll her eyes when my theories got more outlandish
time traveler, spy, alien, and I think since the camera kept showing the moon over and over again, and he was good with dogs, I even suggested werewolf.so once his alien face was revealed
My wife: This is the most you show ever.
Yeah. I love it. I kind of expected it but it was fantastic that it went there. Hope there's more seasons because the setup so far seems like perfect to continue, unless it all gets cleaned up fast at the end.
Yeah. I love it. I kind of expected it but it was fantastic that it went there. Hope there's more seasons because the setup so far seems like perfect to continue, unless it all gets cleaned up fast at the end.
It's a very male power fantasy show, cool as hell PI with great hair who's a movie buff, travels the world and is fluent in probably all languages and has a beautiful car, and then, and then you add THAT on top of that.
Ha, yeah. I grew up on Marlowe Noir stuff and also the other stuff its now stepping into, so I find it fun. I'm a sucker for voice over noir. It's not perfect but it's fun.
Regardless of the twist the writing does take a significant nosedive.
Sugar: *I should tell her*
Melanie: "I know! You're an international Spy!"
ET phone home. Time's up!
Melanie: "I know! You're an international Spy!"
ET phone home. Time's up!
It does, like someone already said the excuse to shut down Sugar's investigation is idiotic as hell, and as a fan of Sci-fi I think THAT twist ended up hurting the show more than helping it, Him working for an international organization/network of spies would have been better.
Finale is up. I actually thought they stuck the landing after not really vibing with Episodes 6 and 7. It's still incredibly gonzo but it melded the two halves of this show in a way that left me satisfied.
I'd watch another season of Sugar solving another quintessentially L.A. mystery...and chasing an alien serial killer on the side.
Just finished it. I liked it. I thought the twist just added a little something different. I hope there's a second season, and I'm surprised how much I enjoyed Colin Farrell.
This whole first season really kind of feels like the setup for a future series. After it finished I couldn't shake the feeling that if this had been made back in the old broadcast era this entire first season would have been a two hour special premier episode with it then being recapped over the intro each week like The Fugitive, original Quantum Leap or 70s The Incredible Hulk.
I hope this show gets renewed asap. The budget doesn't seem that outlandish. Such a good set up and reminds me of great shows of the 90s.
what an odd, odd show lol
i enjoyed the finale, this is definitely more an "ideas" show that isn't really interested in any real details. Reminds me a bit of The Man From Earth or the 70s Bowie movie but with a weird fixation on old Hollywood.
I'm glad I watched it, it definitely feels like a capstone to the end of the current streaming era where anything with a star is greenlit. I would really be shocked if season 2 is greenlit though. Yeah, its a bit of a cliffhanger but not really, its more a setup for a second season and really there is enough there that you can explain everything away yourself with minimal effort.
i enjoyed the finale, this is definitely more an "ideas" show that isn't really interested in any real details. Reminds me a bit of The Man From Earth or the 70s Bowie movie but with a weird fixation on old Hollywood.
I'm glad I watched it, it definitely feels like a capstone to the end of the current streaming era where anything with a star is greenlit. I would really be shocked if season 2 is greenlit though. Yeah, its a bit of a cliffhanger but not really, its more a setup for a second season and really there is enough there that you can explain everything away yourself with minimal effort.
Henry, The other alien, killed Djen maybe even before Earth. No way she is alive this long. He's always been a sociopath ("Vulcan Dahmer" on reddit lol) and Earth just made him way, way worse. While they can sorta deflect a few bullets they aren't that superhuman (guy gets easily killed by female cop, sugar is stabbed and needs help to heal), so 2 aliens vs a secret cabal government organization will not last long. They will be caught and experimented on, the end.
The show isn't really interested in being x-files or a Sci fi show. Won't the one that got killed eventually be examined and found different? Does the drug they inject themselves with revert them back to alien form, OR do they need to take the drug to "keep" their human form? The show isn't really interested in answering these questions, it really just wanted to explore the simple idea "What if a peaceful alien species came to observe Earth to avoid becoming self-destructive like us and wouldn't it be cool if one of them loved old Hollywood movies as a way to connect with our humanity?"
In my own season 2, rednecks discovers the aliens and their portal device, invades their planet, and just starts hunting them for sport. Thats what you get for trying to observe us, buddy. Sometimes when you look into the abyss... something looks back.
The show isn't really interested in being x-files or a Sci fi show. Won't the one that got killed eventually be examined and found different? Does the drug they inject themselves with revert them back to alien form, OR do they need to take the drug to "keep" their human form? The show isn't really interested in answering these questions, it really just wanted to explore the simple idea "What if a peaceful alien species came to observe Earth to avoid becoming self-destructive like us and wouldn't it be cool if one of them loved old Hollywood movies as a way to connect with our humanity?"
In my own season 2, rednecks discovers the aliens and their portal device, invades their planet, and just starts hunting them for sport. Thats what you get for trying to observe us, buddy. Sometimes when you look into the abyss... something looks back.
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I liked the 'big twist' but that last episode did little for me; they could have set up some things a bit better I guess.
Oh man. So season 1 was a set up for basically...
a sci fi version of sherlock vs. Moriarty type situation
For anyone else curious here is a list of all the classic movies that the TV show references, I probably haven't any of these but might see a few over the summer
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Every Classic Hollywood Movie Edited Into ‘Sugar’
The movies in Colin Farrell's head are some of the best ever made. Here's full break down of each film and where it appears in 'Sugar.'
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I was worried after the initial reviews that the ending was going to suck but really liked everything from s1 even the late reveal
I dont think too much people watched this so I doubt a season 2 is coming but thats allright
If it comes, great if it doesnt, season 1 was good enough on its own
I dont think too much people watched this so I doubt a season 2 is coming but thats allright
If it comes, great if it doesnt, season 1 was good enough on its own
My wife has an aversion to anything nerdy but she was able to tough it out.
We both enjoyed the show and hope there is a season 2!
My favorite parts were just all the old time movies laced into all the scenes. Never seen anything like it before.
It's currently number one on apple, I think people just hate going week to week and just wait for the whole show to come out.
I agree they sticked the landing even though the episodes leading up to the final were a bit iffy for me. I'm not a sure a season 2 will work as well as this season. I'm afraid the tone and delivery would have to change entirely since it wouldn't be a noir mystery any longer. Either way, 2 pages on Era is a poor showing for this kind of show. I'll be shocked if there's a season 2.
I don´t mind being spoiled so I read your post but....
isn´t it kind of dumb?
I watched the first episode before and thought "cool, a noir/detective story with an unreliable narrator". I thought Sugar was allucinating/imagining most of the things, specially with the B&W scenes and small inserts from movies. Kind of psycologic story. Aliens? Really? Does the twist provide an interesting development? Should I continue to watch it? (I love sci-fi but this seems... off)