This whole thing in here kind of vindicates my (unpopular) opinion on how Dolphin is discussed around these parts.
Super Mario Odyssey looks worse than both 3D World / Galaxy, am I right?
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I second this, especially for Galaxy. Galaxy's art style/direction is far more appealing to me.
I never liked the look of New Donk City and doesn't help they halved the frame rates of NPCs in the distance
Galaxy feels the most inspired to me. The forest level in Odyssey, as well as New Donk City and the Ruined Kingdom all look pretty lackluster. To be honest, none of the levels really captured my imagination, perhaps with the exception of the Luncheon and Sand Kingdoms.
Super Mario Galaxy 1/2 and Super Mario 3D World are some of the more beautiful games in theirs respective machines. Super Mario Odyssey is not even close to be one of the betters games we can see on switch (in terms of graphics).
Maybe because of that you has this feeling that game is not as beautiful as the previous games.
Maybe because of that you has this feeling that game is not as beautiful as the previous games.
OP you are blind.
The Galaxy screenshot shows nonexistent ground textures and incredibly low detail mountains in the background.
The Galaxy screenshot shows nonexistent ground textures and incredibly low detail mountains in the background.
My god Bowsers Kingdom might be the best looking 3d Mario stage ever. Everything just works so well together
Objective Odyssey is the best. But in terms of art direction, it's more subjective. Odyssey is leaning more towards realistic with more unreal engine vibes while the older ones are more cartoony.
I dunno I cant think of any Galaxy level that topped Bowsers Kingodm visually, but I will say that the music in Odyssey was not as good overall as the Galaxy games and there were only a few standout tracks
I agree with you OP.
I absolutely adored 3D World's aesthetic. Odyssey looks great, and is technically more impressive, but the environments feel like they could belong to other characters/series (e.g. Sonic, Smash, Pikmin). 3D World is unashamedly Mario. Every last asset screams "Mario" at the top of its lungs. It's extremely cohesive.
There were times, such as the Mushroom Kingdom, where Odyssey adopted the aesthetic. I crave more of these moments.
That being said, SM64 at the time did away with the colourful Mario aesthetic that had developed until that point. I would however like to see SM64 using 3D World-esque art direction. (Retaining the physics. Art direction only.)
In terms of Mario-ness, I would say that Galaxy sits somewhere in between 3D World and SM64/Odyssey. Technically it was incredible at the time and it still holds up today. It does take on a slightly darker/more realistic tone, partly due to technical limitations, which is fine.
I absolutely adored 3D World's aesthetic. Odyssey looks great, and is technically more impressive, but the environments feel like they could belong to other characters/series (e.g. Sonic, Smash, Pikmin). 3D World is unashamedly Mario. Every last asset screams "Mario" at the top of its lungs. It's extremely cohesive.
There were times, such as the Mushroom Kingdom, where Odyssey adopted the aesthetic. I crave more of these moments.
That being said, SM64 at the time did away with the colourful Mario aesthetic that had developed until that point. I would however like to see SM64 using 3D World-esque art direction. (Retaining the physics. Art direction only.)
In terms of Mario-ness, I would say that Galaxy sits somewhere in between 3D World and SM64/Odyssey. Technically it was incredible at the time and it still holds up today. It does take on a slightly darker/more realistic tone, partly due to technical limitations, which is fine.
I like the artistic direction of the Galaxy games more so than 3d world where things were too basic looking..also Odyssey while great in some kingdoms, other not so much ( new donk ) which had a miss mash of colors, meh textures and color grading which I wasn't a fan of also terrible grass texture, lack of AA made it stick out like a sore thumb
The ugliest level in 3d world lack of AA and ugly looking grass/ ground textures and trees that would pop in was really ugly
The more the open/realistic the levels are in Mario games the more ugly they tend to look.
The ugliest level in 3d world lack of AA and ugly looking grass/ ground textures and trees that would pop in was really ugly
The more the open/realistic the levels are in Mario games the more ugly they tend to look.
So what you're trying to say here is that you're cherry picking screenshots here, but don't accuse you of doing exactly what you did (cherry picking screenshots)
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From a pure graphics perspective, of course Odyssey beats the shit out of the other Mario games, it's on a much more powerful system.
Art style on the other hand? Galaxy wins veeeeeeeeeery easily, Odyssey is pretty, sure, but something about it felt kind of soulless to me compared to other Mario games.
Art style on the other hand? Galaxy wins veeeeeeeeeery easily, Odyssey is pretty, sure, but something about it felt kind of soulless to me compared to other Mario games.
I've thought this from the get go, OP. The combination of some of the more incongruent art styles plus the cases where we clearly hit some of the limitations of the Switch made 3D World a much cleaner package for me. But I value polish and consistency, over say, slightly better lighting or something.
And it's a problem I've had with a lot of Switch games, and one of the primary reasons why I've wanted a Switch Pro.
And it's a problem I've had with a lot of Switch games, and one of the primary reasons why I've wanted a Switch Pro.
If you're going to get some shots of Galaxy from Dolphin, you could've at the very least grabbed some 4k shots of Odyssey from Yuzu or Ryujinx.
It's literally one of the best looking mario games so this is just weird to read.
It is true that emulators don't show how the game looked on original hardware, but it's not like Uncharted Remastered looks better than Uncharted 4. If all it takes for a previous gen game (or 2 gens past in Galaxy's case) to look better than a current gen one in the same series is higher resolution... there's something wrong with the current gen title.
When it comes to discussing preference in art direction and stuff like that, there's nothing wrong with bringing up emulators.
When it comes to discussing preference in art direction and stuff like that, there's nothing wrong with bringing up emulators.
Please, think out more in-depth criticism than "soulless". There's is literally nothing in Mario Odyssey that comes off as "soulless". If I have to read it in gaming discussions one more time, I swear...
Yeah. As much as I loved Galaxy and 3D World, Odyssey looks way better and had refreshingly new environments.
I agree OP. Odyssey isn't an ugly game, but I strongly prefer the artistic aesthetic of 3D world and galaxy. 3D world is particularly beautiful.
Yep.
I strongly prefer the cartoony cohesiveness of 3D World and Galaxy games; everything FEELS like it belongs in Mario and has a timeless vibe.
Where as the art direction in Odyssey often feels like one big development joke with derpy placeholder assets that they never got around to replacing. I hate the realistic T-Rex and those Sonic 06 New Donkers, it looks hideous and is gonna age like milk.
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I love the super clean graphics of 3D World but Odyssey was the fresh burst of creativity the series needed. I want them to push it further, honestly. Give me more weird locales, even if it means their execution is a little more messy than in a 'safe' Mario title
Also the Station Square vibes were felt on my end too, but it must have been intentional. Anything other than a deeply artificial approximation of 'real life' would look super wrong in a Mario game.
Also the Station Square vibes were felt on my end too, but it must have been intentional. Anything other than a deeply artificial approximation of 'real life' would look super wrong in a Mario game.
Haha, right.
Honestly, the SA1 vibes don't stop there with Odyssey. "Jump Up Superstar" feels like something Sonic Team would do; catchy and fun, but super fuckin' cornball.
I really hope that the future of Mario is defined by this kind of thing though...I hated how Sonic went from badass funky New Jack Swing to cheesy vocals over bubblegum pop and played out butt-rock.
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Hated how sterile 3D World looked and mostly hated how it played.
Odyssey is better in pretty much everything except maybe the music.
Odyssey is better in pretty much everything except maybe the music.
Absolutely this. If we are talking art style rather than graphics, Odyssey was a huge breath of relief from me after the over-homogenizing of titles for a full generation.
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yuzu has dropped the rescaling profile feature and there are no graphics packs that are able to render Odyssey above 1080p.
Yeah SA1/SA2 (and Heroes imo) do have some catchy music for sure.
Then it's really an unfair comparison if you're not showing them at the same resolution.
Either way, the the thread premise is patently false.
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False to you, because it's subjective - hence my OP ending with "Opinions", and the poll results not being something like "100% vs 0%".
You had to introduce emulator screenshots for it to even come close to being subjective.
It's like saying my Hyundai Elantra is faster than my neighbors Camaro but my Elantra has some exotic mods and nitrous.
