Figures. Thanks!Snake's emblem was changed from the Foxhound logo Kojima used for his studio to an exclamation point.
Figures. Thanks!Snake's emblem was changed from the Foxhound logo Kojima used for his studio to an exclamation point.
Honestly this. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the big issues was getting TPC to agree to Pichu, Squirtle and Ivysaur when they are decidedly not mons that TPC would care about promoting right now. That really sounds like the "twisting arms" Sakurai mentioned he had to do to get everyone back. Maybe a bit of "if I can't have them, you don't get a Gen 7 mon" kind of thing?Y'all focusing too much on 3rd parties that forget that The Pokemon Company is absurdly obstructive in regards to crossovers, lol.
Snake's emblem was changed from the Foxhound logo Kojima used for his studio to an exclamation point.
I was about to say yes but actually, no!How did it change?
Speaking of, does that card work as a Mu2 Figure Fighter?
TPC could also have had reservations about Pichu getting beat up again.
I dunno, I think Geno's relevance is the biggest problem. If he could get a Mii costume I imagine he could be playable.
Y'all focusing too much on 3rd parties that forget that The Pokemon Company is absurdly obstructive in regards to crossovers, lol.
It's also probably a matter of there being at least 17 more characters than they had to deal with during SSB4's main development, including at least one more 3rd party company.
Even if some are more difficult than others, everything still needs to be approved (I assume) so having so many external groups involved could cause delays if one or more raises an issue with their character(s), stages, items, or even trophies, which is something that as Director, I imagine Sakurai has to be prepared for from the outset.
Honestly this. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the big issues was getting TPC to agree to Pichu, Squirtle and Ivysaur when they are decidedly not mons that TPC would care about promoting right now. That really sounds like the "twisting arms" Sakurai mentioned he had to do to get everyone back. Maybe a bit of "if I can't have them, you don't get a Gen 7 mon" kind of thing?
Another thing I figure I'll bring up while we're talking about it is that they keep mentioning Snake being back by popular demand. While I don't think Snake actually won the ballot, I think the real reason popular demand keeps being mentioned with him is because he's a character Sakurai probably never would've bothered to get back otherwise. Even with Konami being easier than we thought, Snake is still a third party from a company that fired his friend, who was the only reason Snake happened in the first place. I figure, had there not been outcry for him, Sakurai probably would've just ignored Snake like he did in Smash 4.
Ah.
Yeah if Geno were first party then he'd probably have gotten in during Brawl.
Yeah. Smash seems to be the only crossover they give any sort of leeway for.Y'all focusing too much on 3rd parties that forget that The Pokemon Company is absurdly obstructive in regards to crossovers, lol.
Snake might not be a hard thing to negotiate nowadays but back in 2015-2016 the wound of Kojima leaving was still pretty fresh in everyone's minds. Konami turning over a "new leaf" so to speak (or at least attempting to) is a fairly recent thing.
Cloud was probably the hardest thing to negotiate, I don't doubt, but I wouldn't take Konami being more accommodating these days as they weren't hard to negotiate with back then.
Yeah. Smash seems to be the only crossover they give any sort of leeway for.
Something something Takamaru something something.Yeah if Geno were first party then he'd probably have gotten in during Brawl.
Yeah. Smash seems to be the only crossover they give any sort of leeway for.
Geno was unknown in most of the West too until 2008 - and considering that was a Virtual Console release, one would have to really question how much of an impact that release made in Europe.Takamaru the character that Sakurai excluded because he's unknown in the West.
It was because it was the first Mario game that had some actual world building, playable Bowser and the Mario RPG combo system.Basically if you were in PAL land, everything about Super Mario RPG was blown out of proportion.
People used to big up the Axem Rangers I swear, what were they? a single boss fight?
Much like I have heard of Takamaru. But I don't think Sakurai really cares for the knowledge of a Nintendo-know-it-all.
Ha ha yeah. During my recent playthrough I was quite surprised how little presence the Axem Rangers really have. They just appear out of nowhere (at least some other bosses had a little presence before their battle) and you beat them.Basically if you were in PAL land, everything about Super Mario RPG was blown out of proportion.
People used to big up the Axem Rangers I swear, what were they? a single boss fight?
I get that.It was because it was the first Mario game that had some actual world building, playable Bowser and the Mario RPG combo system.
Probably, but that would still be somewhat fresh off of MGSV, which released late 2015, and even closer to the infamous incident at The Game Awards where Konami's public goodwill took a massive nosedive. I get the impression that Snake was either a hard nut to crack during negotiation, or they negotiated him much later when the proverbial dust settled. Either way, I don't think getting him back was easy, especially since for a while there was a big question mark as to what Konami was even planning to do with their legacy franchises.Wouldn't Sakurai have been negotiating with Konami to use Snake around 2016 or so?
So Sakurai doesn't care about my encyclopedic knowledge of Nintendo characters?!Much like I have heard of Takamaru. But I don't think Sakurai really cares for the knowledge of a Nintendo-know-it-all.
Ha ha yeah. During my recent playthrough I was quite surprised how little presence the Axem Rangers really have. They just appear out of nowhere (at least some other bosses had a little presence before their battle) and you beat them.
He should read our posts to think that Ayumi, Lip, Takamaru, Sukapon, Sablé, etc are common knowledge in the west.Much like I have heard of Takamaru. But I don't think Sakurai really cares for the knowledge of a Nintendo-know-it-all.
I kind of wonder about the hypothetical world where Geno was first party. On the one hand, he really was popular when his game came out and as such may have made it into more things than just a cameo in SSS. On the other hand, characters from the Mario RPGs generally stick to their RPGs and aren't allowed to cameo in the main line games or even sports games.
It depends on who developed Mario RPG. If it was an IS game like the Paper Marios, yes, I could see it getting ignored. If it had been developed by EAD though, you'd probably see characters from there popping up all over the franchise.I kind of wonder about the hypothetical world where Geno was first party. On the one hand, he really was popular when his game came out and as such may have made it into more things than just a cameo in SSS. On the other hand, characters from the Mario RPGs generally stick to their RPGs and aren't allowed to cameo in the main line games or even sports games.
Is there even enough Belmont's to do that?They should make Simon like Bowser Jr. Have his official name be "Belmont" and make all his alts be different members of the Belmont clan.
Snake might not be a hard thing to negotiate nowadays but back in 2015-2016 the wound of Kojima leaving was still pretty fresh in everyone's minds. Konami turning over a "new leaf" so to speak (or at least attempting to) is a fairly recent thing.
Cloud was probably the hardest thing to negotiate, I don't doubt, but I wouldn't take Konami being more accommodating these days as they weren't hard to negotiate with back then.
Probably, but that would still be somewhat fresh off of MGSV, which released late 2015, and even closer to the infamous incident at The Game Awards where Konami's public goodwill took a massive nosedive. I get the impression that Snake was either a hard nut to crack during negotiation, or they negotiated him much later when the proverbial dust settled. Either way, I don't think getting him back was easy, especially since for a while there was a big question mark as to what Konami was even planning to do with their legacy franchises.
Was? He still is except for enthusiast forums like this.Geno was unknown in most of the West too until 2008 - and considering that was a Virtual Console release, one would have to really question how much of an impact that release made in Europe.
It depends on who developed Mario RPG. If it was an IS game like the Paper Marios, yes, I could see it getting ignored. If it had been developed by EAD though, you'd probably see characters from there popping up all over the franchise.
I brought this before here, but it's unlikely. The series really doesn't fit with the other third party choices in how iconic or big with the general public it is and we don't have a new entry coming anytime soon.With all the buzz around Octopath lately, I thought about Bravely Default and I'm surprised no one has really brought up possible representation from that in this game? Wouldn't be at all surprised if some music and trophies show up
I think a lot of support for him in the early days was under the assumption he was a Nintendo character. If they had known you'd probably have seen people not bother.Here's a fun fact.
I always thought Geno was a Nintendo character until Smash 4 speculation threads at Gaf told me otherwise.
"But he's in a Mario game" as you can see I didn't know much about anything back then.
I think because people want FF IV or VI representation first? Don't know, BD has great music tho. That final boss theme is great.With all the buzz around Octopath lately, I thought about Bravely Default and I'm surprised no one has really brought up possible representation from that in this game? Wouldn't be at all surprised if some music and trophies show up
nah. I still think people would ask just as much for him. It was during Brawl where he really picked up steam and that game had Snake and Sonic. I think people would've had the same thoughts as me and not understand how much work it takes to bring a third party. Now I know how much of a pain it is to do that, but little kid me thought game development was easy.I think a lot of support for him in the early days was under the assumption he was a Nintendo character. If they had known you'd probably have seen people not bother.
Hell, Mario RPGs rarely even get unique characters at all these days.On the other hand, characters from the Mario RPGs generally stick to their RPGs and aren't allowed to cameo in the main line games or even sports games.
Honestly, the need to know who's who is such a weird measurement when you think about it.
-With Joe Public I can safely say 90% of the roster is unknowns.
-Then, you consider the typical gamer audience and, even then, the only reason any of them have heard of half the cast is because of Smash Bros.
-Therefore, the person who actually knows who all the characters are is also likely to have heard of characters like Takamaru.
This is especially true in today's world where the Internet is awash with gaming knowledge. Pick a game and someone has likely made a wiki for it. During Melee's day info on Fire Emblem probably wasn't too common to find in English, so I could see why someone like Takamaru could have been a problem, but now I doubt there's a single game someone couldn't easily learn about from a quick Google.
Honestly, the need to know who's who is such a weird measurement when you think about it.
-With Joe Public I can safely say 90% of the roster is unknowns.
-Then, you consider the typical gamer audience and, even then, the only reason any of them have heard of half the cast is because of Smash Bros.
-Therefore, the person who actually knows who all the characters are is also likely to have heard of characters like Takamaru.
This is especially true in today's world where the Internet is awash with gaming knowledge. Pick a game and someone has likely made a wiki for it. During Melee's day info on Fire Emblem probably wasn't too common to find in English, so I could see why someone like Takamaru could have been a problem, but now I doubt there's a single game someone couldn't easily learn about from a quick Google.
What if Mallow gets in instead of Geno?
I doubt it but just imagine the reactions.
If Geno gets in, would he be considered his own rep rather than a Mario rep? I'd assume so due to technically being third party, but it would feel weird considering his only true appearances have been in Mario games.
I think a lot of support for him in the early days was under the assumption he was a Nintendo character. If they had known you'd probably have seen people not bother.
Do we know for sure Geno is a Square Enix character past that one copyright notice?
Like, it seems weird Nintendo would sign off on characters being owned by another company. They seem to own Rare created characters in DK and Star Fox. Just can't imagine what benefit it is to anyone for Square to "own" those characters.
Square didn't play around back then.Weird. I would assume every original character in that game is owned by Square then? Weird decision.
Weird. I would assume every original character in that game is owned by Square then? Weird decision.