McCarthy already calling for a federal Ban on Abortion if GOP takes the House and Senate.
Would obviously be veto'd by Biden... but still this should be ringing alarm bells all over the country of what we are in for under a GOP Government. The immediate and swift removal of any humans rights is a reality.
Would obviously be veto'd by Biden... but still this should be ringing alarm bells all over the country of what we are in for under a GOP Government. The immediate and swift removal of any humans rights is a reality.
The democrats also need a rising star or a beacon of hope for people to look out for, like Obama was before he got elected.
Only question is who this could be? Beto?
I would seriously love to hear a single optimistic thing grounded in reality from any of the gung ho dems in this thread because so far y'all are the ones making me feel stupid for voting.
Democrats carved it up for judges, and this is part of the result Got played for like fools. I dont know if the filibuster even makes sense anymore. Vs just hard policy to make reversing laws harder when a majority passes it and or make hard passes to make laws hard to reverse.
What? Removing the filibuster wouldn't have mattered when getting Garland onto the court in 2016 because Republicans were in the majority.....?
Like I get it, Dems are disorganized and shitty, but stop making things up and spreading low-info nonsense. What.
The party is far from perfect but the primary flaw is in the system, specifically at the local and state levels. Republicans have taken advantage of those flaws while defeatism only serves to lower Democratic turn out which is literally the only thing that can help fix said broken system.
Congressional Democrats cant fix shit when they're not given enough power at the local and state levels to do something about it.
Another Obama isn't going to magically fix shit. What Democrats need is for voters to stop putting all their faith in a President and a Congress. They need to go vote more consistently for the folks on the ground who are running in their own towns and states.
Obama didn't have the Senate when Garland was up. The Turtle wouldn't bring it to a vote. There was nothing to be done.
I can't think of anyone who fits the bill exactly off the top of my head.
However, I think the Democratic machinery, however people might dislike or downplay it, should at least be capable of manufacturing one/enhancing what's already there if they put all their effort behind it.
It just isn't Biden.
Would it be a bad idea for people that don't understand how politics and voting work to be threadbanned? Especially if they have no desire to learn and just spread bad information?
The problem with Obama is that he was a huge disappointment (he had an opportunity to codify Roe for example when he had the Senate and House but conveniently didn't) and went back to being a standard affair centrist despite campaigning as the progressive in 2008. Voters need a reason to be hopeful and that hope comes from results and evidence that justifies it.
I'll post this again:
Why vote? Look at the states that have protections for abortion already in place. Voting at the state and local levels matter just as much, if not more, as every 4 years.
Weird as it sounds I've kinda got my eye on Fetterman. Looking forward to seeing what his election results will be - could just be a silly wild hare.
Stop thinking in terms of the last 6 years only and realize some of us have been anti-filibuster since 1994 or so.
I think the most likely place the US is headed is into a federalist system with an extremely impotent federal government and large liberal blocs of states (basically all of New England and the West Coast) just ignoring federal laws and doing their own thing.
Like, I don't think the US is going to get into a civil war because California recognizes same sex marriage. I don't think we are going to formally see secessions in our lifetime but we're going to wind up with semi-autonomous blocks of the country that just do whatever the fuck they want.
Honestly, we largely saw that during the pandemic anyway with different states deciding to handle it differently and even cities in Texas and elsewhere ignoring the state government and just doing whatever they wanted with mask mandates.
Like, I don't think the US is going to get into a civil war because California recognizes same sex marriage. I don't think we are going to formally see secessions in our lifetime but we're going to wind up with semi-autonomous blocks of the country that just do whatever the fuck they want.
Honestly, we largely saw that during the pandemic anyway with different states deciding to handle it differently and even cities in Texas and elsewhere ignoring the state government and just doing whatever they wanted with mask mandates.
I'll post this again:
Why vote? Look at the states that have protections for abortion already in place. Voting at the state and local levels matter just as much, if not more, as every 4 years.
I vote, and will always vote, but I don't see how any of that matters unless dems can somehow prevent this Supreme Court from banning abortion nationally soon, which they'll clearly do, and also rolling back everything good that's happened since 1900 along the way.
Doesn't Florida have a new 15 week ban? Though not sure they try to take it further now.I'll post this again:
Why vote? Look at the states that have protections for abortion already in place. Voting at the state and local levels matter just as much, if not more, as every 4 years.
It's important to think of America as a conglomeration of 50 semi-countries with some overarching regulations from a central governing body. This thinking would make state elections a lot more meaningful to apathetic voters.
I'm seeing people advertising personal abortion services, complete with a sliding scale for different forms with more and less safety and more and less chance of success, and depending on payment amount.
I'm assuming that shit is fake...but I'm guessing we'll see this for real in the days ahead
I'm assuming that shit is fake...but I'm guessing we'll see this for real in the days ahead
I think it'll go further simply because fascists can't get along with anyone, and neither can theocrats. A combo of both in full power? They would be tortured every moment knowing liberal states have their own rules and would assault them any way they could.
I've always said if the republicans were in full power, expect some rights to be taken away.
I don't know what the makeup of their state leg looks like but Desantis has to if he wants to win the primary.
America is almost like some form of...union of individual states.... 😱🤯
1. I wasn't questioning if you voted or not.
2. IT FUCKING MATTERS to help get people the services they need, no matter if that time is a month or 50+ years before your dooms day scenario.
Popped back in here, see the arguments going on...
Can we PLEASE get some staff action people derailing the actions of the republicans (and our subsequent response as a unit) with Obama/Clinton/2016 voter blame games? Or promoting APATHY and DOING NOTHING?
Didn't the Democrats have majority control of both chambers of the senate at least before 2010? How else did he pass the ACA?
If you click on the link:
"Florida: Has a 15-week ban, passed earlier this year, but the Republican governor and Republican-led legislature could seek further restrictions in a special session."
Its certainly possible but they need the economic output of those areas *and* they need someplace for liberal Americans to go or they risk a brain drain to Europe/Canada/NZ/Australia.
I do think whatever prayer we had of Texas turning blue in the next decade is likely gone as I seriously doubt we are going to have free and fair elections long enough to get there.
Okay? None of this makes your original post implying that Dems "allowed" Trump to choose justices any less inaccurate. I'm so confused.
Edit: I got my posters mixed up, I see Toxi made the original post. So I don't even know what point we're arguing about. My bad.
States literally have their own constitutions lol. Funny how we talk about being the "united states" when we are anything but. That alone is an inherently flawed system.
I am not spreading lo information nonsense, I am having a loose conversation on a message board on a day when everyone is angry as fuck. I am saying dems could have avoided all of this if they hadn't gotten consistently outplayed for 30 years, and if they'd been less Charlie Brown with the Football all of these things would have played out more moderately at worst.
I can see this happening. I'm curious what happens though if states begin to renig on their obligations towards federal funding.
Ironically, this thread is much better than would have been six months ago, with the few tremendously stupid and trolling posts getting a huge amount of attention, rather than it being a swarm of misinformation. There's been a lot of high-quality bans that have taken out the core of the knee-jerk bad-civics crowd.
Spoken like someone who doesn't understand how the Senate works?
Ok the branches of government are the executive, the legislature, and the judiciary….
Brain drain is a feature of fascism. So is genocide and eventual economic self-destruction. It's a bubble of violent narcissistic madness and if they didn't have that they wouldn't be themselves.
He didn't have a 60-vote mandate of pro-choice Democrats. Just controlling both chambers doesn't mean you can force through legislation. You still need a mandate.
Not going to sugarcoat it, it's bad, it's real fucking bad. But there's 2 options
Option 1: you just give up and let them win
Or
Option 2: you get pissed off, and do something about it, you organize and fight back via every legal avenue possible, you get people who can do better to run in every race you can, and you go out and vote every damn time and bring as many people to vote with you as you can, and maybe, just maybe, things get better.
Your vote isn't always going to make a difference, but your lack of voting and giving up just lets people who want to ruin everything we have built take over, and guess what...they never fail to vote and fight for what they want.
The system sucks and gives shit people from shit states way more power and representation then they should have, but it's what we have and we need to make the most of it.