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They aren't accomplishing things at record speed.
Their victory today took decades. Today was just the first major tactical victory (and they aren't done). The strategic victory was installing Amy Coney Barrett on the Supreme Court.
Don't let it be said that they didn't put in the work, which includes creating and co-opting institutions like Fox and the Federalist Society and Qanon and your local school board.
The fucking Green Party? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you want more people like Sinema or Jill Stein? It's a party that exists to grift and muddy the waters.
And when these corporate, neoliberal Democrats get rid of the filibuster and pass a six-week abortion access at the national level, along with a ban on gerrymandering and an improved VRA, I'm sure I will be very upset :(
K. You keep doing that, and when Democrats haven't won control of the Senate and the presidency within how many years, I'm sure you'll be here posting that Democrats just need to be ideologically purer-er.
I'm not referring to just this victory. But them "co-opting" institutions as you put it is also the shrinking of their tent? I'm not sure what you're getting at. They have been shrinking the Republican tent for years and it has absolutely bore fruit.
I'm no longer engaging with your blatant bad faith posting, purposeful misinterpretation, outright lies, and aggressive pursuit of an off-topic conversation.
These. Voting just isn't enough. If there aren't any progressives, what's the point?
Look at my post as for my suggestions below the videos. Post #2,874.
Which will do what, exactly.
I would argue that any legislation that is passed will likely be overturned by this SCOTUS so I'd love to hear some real suggestions.
I'll just repost this since a lot of people are on this weak talking point again. It's a shame the way we've let this conversation became just another where a lot of people who are totally misinformed and don't have a clue about how we really got here subtlety and not so subtly attack those who are doing exactly what they say need to be done.
No, I'm talking about voting more often. There are multiple elections every year in our cities, counties and states that most people ignore. Candidates who do have our backs run in these local elections and then don't get anywhere they can do the most good because people think showing up every 2-4 years is good enough to enact sweeping reform.
People realize that stuff like protesting and volunteering also helps. Just because you mention voting doesn't mean it is literally the only way.
Yeah, sorry, I wasn't talking about tent sizes -- just about the time horizon of victory. I think their tent is shrinking in many respects (aside from potentially "extending Whiteness" to some religious Latinos).
"Everything," perhaps not, but it should be basic that party representatives and voting members acknowledge and uphold rights.
Step One: "General Strike"
Step Two: ?????
Step Three: All of our goals are accomplished
I still feel like this cannot be real. How do we overturn a decision and precedent that's been in place for almost 50 years. 50 years! This is an absolute disrespect and abuse of power. Old bitter people with no brains or human decency controlling and potentially destroying the lives of millions of women and families, because of their damn opinion. The whole point of Roe was to let everyone have the freedom to their own opinion. America is built on FREEDOM is it not? The beauty is that we are able to make our choices and have our opinions...that's gone. America has lost its freedom, it's primary ideal. Republicans have the nerve to act like 'patriots' and 'real Americans'. Now, they're nothing but hypocrites. The real Americans are those who believe freedom of personal choice.
I'm done. I'm fighting now. Enough standing by waiting. I'm going to get out there and make a difference. We all need to.
I'm done. I'm fighting now. Enough standing by waiting. I'm going to get out there and make a difference. We all need to.
Stage 1: Denial. Corporate, neoliberal Democrats don't care about you.
Yeah I know. So get him to do it. You're the president, I'm sure you have options. If the other side is ready to burn the country to the ground then I at least want someone willing to do it for me.
People have done a significantly better job putting these people in office then they have of doing anything once they get there.
Yup. As someone who also has had and still has a number of relatives in the clergy, I've been hearing this too. A reason why the Vatican is angry with the American archdiocese as a whole. Priests and Pastors are in a lot of cases against the heads. The almighty donors are their idol now.
Yep. Already seen a bunch of southern and western cars in the fall and winter. I'm expecting a lot more.
Then again we were a big part of the underground railroad, and a lot of historical changes in the states. So not at all surprised.
Bingo. And if a state don't want to enforce, it doesn't have to.
Thank you. Many many more steps. Go back and look how it was done before. We can fucking do it again.
You can't force RBG to retire.
You can't force the Senate Majority Leader to hold a vote.
This is what I'm talking about. Romanticized fantasy land where "The Dems" should have totally done a "something" because we don't like the way things turned out because the voters didn't.
Exactly.
Any candidate that thinks that I deserve my basic right to healthcare taken away shouldn't be a Democrat.
Not sure what's so fucking confusing about that.
No there's literally no options. There's no penalty for the senate not to appoint a Supreme Court as that's a power explicitly delegated to the senate.
What defines "upholding rights"? Is a Democratic candidate in Montana running on passing a national six week abortion access not upholding rights? Is a Democratic candidate in NC running on 12 weeks not upholding rights?
Because both of those positions are now currently better than the status quo.
This is not a response.
What's confusing is that you're clearly not just talking about abortion, but on everything, and advocating for more ideological purity will not get you what you want. Yet, that's what you're doing.
Your argument is the president should have forced the opposing party's Senate majority leader to take up a vote in the Senate? How?
Point to where I said anyone who doesn't agree with me on everything cannot apply to be a Democratic candidate.
Name those options if you're so sure, otherwise stop bullshitting.
America was a race to see who could find a critical mass of glitches and exploits in a structurally weak government first. Republicans are crossing the finish line right now, and Democrats refused to run.
This is not the result of conservatives' organic, steadfast dedication to voting. The collected forces of capital can seed whatever narrative they want through their many media outlets to literally reshape reality.
For example:
Education emerged as a flash point in Virginia governor's race. Here's what voters had to say about critical race theory, teachers
Gov.-elect Glenn Youngkin's campaign pushed a ban on critical race theory. That drew some voters to the polls.
amp.usatoday.com
Virginia is under full Republican control right now because rich people spent a lot of time, energy, and money researching and deploying an effective propaganda campaign.
That's not incrementalism, that's Machiavellianism. And it's effective.
I've never once said give up.
No, he has a job, and a lot of it is about getting other people to do stuff they may not want to do or want something in return for doing. Figure it out.
All of you are letting mainstream media brainwash you. Heck, I used to think that all Democrats cared about us, too, & I've been voting for them for the past 22 years. Then I woke up.
We shouldn't be voting for just any Democrat.
Bingo.
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That is not what the President does at all. That's Congress. They have people whose job is to literally do what you described.
I'm confused about the "applying" part.
People don't apply to be members of a political party in this country. They just join them. Then if they want to run for office, they participate in a party primary, and are chosen by the members of the party in the locality they are running in.
Are you suggesting that then members of a political party in a given area should not have the right to select the candidate they so desire to be their representative? Who should have the power to override the will of the party electorate?
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You do or don't do as you want.
I won't entertain your American exceptionalism anymore either especially concerning the dismissal of the lives that were lost as a result of the American revolution.
So some of the suggestions I'm seeing here include voting Green Party and simply not voting for democratic candidates. If these suggestions catch on, Republicans will be taking victory laps and getting more wins like today for centuries. Just wow.
So many other takes here seem based in real fantasy level logic that just doesn't translate in the real world.
More dems in power can help prevent things like today and reverse things like today in the future. It's really that simple.
So many other takes here seem based in real fantasy level logic that just doesn't translate in the real world.
More dems in power can help prevent things like today and reverse things like today in the future. It's really that simple.
I don't see how this is possible when any Republican who even makes overtures of halfway agreeing with Dems on anything other than naming post offices or increasing the military budget is branded a RINO and primaried. The incentive structure is absolutely broken. Democrats have absolutely no leverage, and neither do what-passes-for-moderate-these-days Republicans like Kinzinger. I don't know how any Democratic President can offer something to Republicans when they have no incentive to cooperate -- setting aside the fact that what all the remaining Republicans want, aside from what both parties already agree on like "sometimes funding the government," is unconscionable to nearly all Democrats.
I never said do that either. People should vote if they reasonably can. But don't act like it's our solemn duty to enrich these assholes over and over and over for no reason other than because we have in the past or because they deserve it. The people did their job two years ago and basically everything promised has gone wanting. That doesn't mean go vote for these people harder, it should mean throw their asses out and vote for people who will fulfill them.
Absolutely fucked up, shameful that this can happen in 2022. This more than everything else shows how absolutely fucked up the US legal system is.
I hope that everyone affected is able to find a solution and that Wade vs Roe becomes law again, but holy shit did the US take a step back to the Middle Ages today, absolutely shameful.
I hope that everyone affected is able to find a solution and that Wade vs Roe becomes law again, but holy shit did the US take a step back to the Middle Ages today, absolutely shameful.
Brainwash? Pretty sure you're the one that's far closer to being brainwash with this red pill agenda.
That is…in no way an accurate description of the President's job.
You mean a whip.
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1) Manchin will not do away with the filibuster. You can't force him to vote the way you want him to.
2) Any law passed regarding abortions can (and likely will), be overturned by this SCOTUS.
Of course not.
I'm saying that we should be doing more to A.) elect less conservative candidates where we can, B.) Do what we can to shore up the Democratic Party as one that actually stands for civil rights as a maxim that cannot be crossed, in the same manner that Republicans today stand for fascism at all costs, and C.) do what we can to start chipping away at the rules and norms that allow Republicans outsized power.
This is not a one-election-and-done thing. I actually have no hope for this country in my lifetime and frankly don't expect to get anything like Roe or better back. It's fucked. But I'm tired of people essentially telling me that today is the best we can do, and I am willing to do what I can to maybe try to ensure that America actually gets a true leftist party in its future, not this soft-conservative bullshit that so many people here seem enamored with.
Freedom only if you look, think, pray, love and exist a certain way. The grievances of these hateful ideologues won't allow anybody that falls outside of their preconceived world view to exist in a world where they have any autonomy that clashes with their own ideals.
I hope everybody is done waiting and ready to make a difference. It's disheartening seeing all the people in this thread that are contributing to the problem and refusing to do anything about it. More need to follow your lead.
So what is your solution if you don't like the Democrat? Vote Republican?
I believe the suggestion for a better future was the Green Party