Thanks. Wish all this was canon again but that's a whole other topic that's probably beaten to death before.
You dont think diversity in games has gotten much better this gen ?
No it's not, jesus christ. Especially not for games that actually have a diverse cast of characters which was a willing choice that the devs made.
How about we stop reducing leads down to their skin color? Especially considering that the character in question is a literal scan of an actual person. Cameron Monaghan is a good actor and is clearly excited to be a part of the project.
Literally no one said that having a woman or PoC protagonist would be offputting. Especially not when in the first demo, they actively choose to have him interacting with multiple PoC and show that even a scene of background characters will be diverse. The latter takes lots of time, money and manpower, the former is a deliberate decision made by the people behind the game.
Not at all . But I wouldn't think it would be such a negative to not buy any games from a company , period .
They had actual quality writers for that. Noy to disd the writers of this game, but you cant just pick quality works and say 'they made it work'"And ultimately we didnt go with alien race...we felt like, no pun intended, it would alienate a lot of people. We wanted to make sure there was a real human connection to the character that we have in the game."
People felt connected to this robot and it barely has a face. These comments by Stig do not instill confidence in their creativity.
I could see Disney wanting the protag to be male as to not confuse her with Rey (she is their creation after all) but to your point, the opposite mandate would not exist at all. This is a game where a create a character would have gone a long way and probably wouldn't have affected the narrative in any meaningful way.
Literally the last few SW protagonists of big SW were comprised of POC/aliens though? Ahsoka, Ezra, Iden Versio, and Kazuda. It's genuinely night and day with how diverse SW is compared to back in the OT days or even the expanded universe and even then, a white male protagonist is not automatically generic by default. Context matters otherwise we lose all nuance and the overall message is hurt as a result.
The same EA that literally spent 10 of millions of dollars advertising and publishing the last SW game with a campaign?
Literally the last few SW protagonists of big SW were comprised of POC/aliens though? Ahsoka, Ezra, Iden Versio, and Kazuda. It's genuinely night and day with how diverse SW is compared to back in the OT days or even the expanded universe and even then, a white male protagonist is not automatically generic by default. Context matters otherwise we lose all nuance and the overall message is hurt as a result.
The same EA that literally spent 10 of millions of dollars advertising and publishing the last SW game with a campaign?
And before I get yet another reply about "oh so the quota is filled" uh no. It's called context matters.
Iden Versio is the protagonist of Battlefront 2. I'm talking about SW media in general. The MT fiasco really did a good job at making sure no one paid attention to how progressive that game was.
Then don't? But fair warning it means your opinions on the quality of the title and other pieces of media won't be taken seriously in the future. 🤷♂️
And people who think otherwise would be the first ones to complain if they were to introduce a character who looked like this as a protagonist in....anything really.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you didn't play BF2 at all. BF2 had multiple playable characters. Iden was the lead as it was her story but that didn't stop them from making levels where you play as Lando and Leia as an example.
I literally made multiple detailed posts about how this dude isn't "just another white male lead" in the context of video games. Unless we reduce it down to specifically the fact that the character is white. That's not the right way to approach the topic of diversity. It retroactively reduces characters who are examples of diversity down to the color of their skin because they're not specifically a PoC. Take a character like this:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that you missed the multiple posts i've made in this thread where I explicitly stated that I wasn't defending his choice of words. 😃
The best way to participate in a discussion is actually read what people are saying. 👍
As stated in this thread, EA has had numerous games without white guy leads.
There's a very explicit difference between a character who's based on no one in particular:
who got redesigned to look more generic after fan complaints that he didn't look like in the original game where he looked incredibly generic save for his yellow jacket:
and a character that's literally a scan of a real life person.
Like the actor can't change his face...and most studios don't do what ND does when it comes to designing characters. And htis isn't like a Sam Witwer situation where they took his face and then made him easily fit amongst video game archetypes:
I give advice for better discourse.
I'm saying that we're literally targeting a game that's an explicit example of a game where the devs made an active efforts towards diversity and somehow all of that effort is supposed to be considered null and void because the protagonist is white. That genuinely doesn't make any sense.
This isn't possible with the current Disney mandate that everything is canon. Also limited time and resources for development budget, this isn't an RPG and even if it was, playing as anything but none humanoids is a hard ask for a dev like Respawn.
You're right, video game characters don't have to look like their actors, this alien for example is very clearly an example of that:
There's a very explicit difference between a character who's based on no one in particular:
who got redesigned to look more generic after fan complaints that he didn't look like in the original game where he looked incredibly generic save for his yellow jacket:
and a character that's literally a scan of a real life person.
Like the actor can't change his face...and most studios don't do what ND does when it comes to designing characters. And htis isn't like a Sam Witwer situation where they took his face and then made him easily fit amongst video game archetypes:
I didn't mean to imply that the writer only made Jacob bi after the fact. I do believe he intended him to be bi from the start. That being said, the missions you mention could basically be read to be entirely platonic from Jacob's side if you didn't know about the tweet so pretending like he was explicitly shown to be sexually attracted to another guy in the game is somewhat disingenuous.
Hire an actor before making the game. Like plan the actor/actress instead of responding to a backlash.
There are mods on PC that let you romance Kaidan as male Shepard in ME1/2 but officially they only introduced gay romances in ME3. Dragon Age had them before then, though.
Ah, bummer.
So far they've put in effort to include PoC and aliens as part of everyday life. In the older SW we barely even got that. So yes, when I see the mentor character being a PoC for once, I take notice, when I see diverse npcs I take notice, when I see a deliberate attempt to not make a character who falls into very specific video game hero archetypes, I take notice. None of those things occur on their own. Multiple artists made those choices.
I mean a lot of people tend not to get LBGT subtext unfortunately. It can be argued that they were too subtle about it but it was pretty clear to a lot of people before they outright confirmed it.
I mean like I said several pages back, the default male hero in video games usually appeals to two archetypes
But this isn't even an example of THAT because the last SW game featured a woman who was a PoC as the protagonist. The lead characters in the main media right now are explicitly diverse.
