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Take Action and Defend Net Neutrality (Debate On Now)
- Thread starter SweetNicole
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Although for example I would love to see illegal content blocked (I HATE pirates, sorry), I understand that this is much, much bigger than my hate for pirates and freeloaders. So this time I will put my principles aside, for the greater good. I'm going to send messages to all my US contacts! Let's keep net neutrality alive, it's so important for the internet, and for the future especially!!
Sadly, our comments and complaints may go almost entirely ignored, as we aren't providing any "real" reasons to keep net neutrality.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...c-opinion-in-its-push-to-kill-net-neutrality/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...c-opinion-in-its-push-to-kill-net-neutrality/
There's no purpose in relaying your concerns to the compromised FCC. It's more productive to make noise to your representatives.
Did my calls, emails and I'm in for the protest at the Bryant Park store. Even if this is a Hail Mary at best it still worth a shot.
To those saying, "switch from VZW to another carrier, speak with your dollar!" All of the carriers/telecom companies want to ax Net Neutrality, so your dollar just ends up in the pocket of a different lobbyist firm no matter which carrier you choose.
I've found that it's been difficult to get family and friends fired up about this, but one successful tactic has been saying, "if competitors like Comcast, AT&T and Verizon are all agreeing on something who do you think they're aimed to screw over?"
Anyway, it's all super frustrating but let's try to do what we can while we can.
To those saying, "switch from VZW to another carrier, speak with your dollar!" All of the carriers/telecom companies want to ax Net Neutrality, so your dollar just ends up in the pocket of a different lobbyist firm no matter which carrier you choose.
I've found that it's been difficult to get family and friends fired up about this, but one successful tactic has been saying, "if competitors like Comcast, AT&T and Verizon are all agreeing on something who do you think they're aimed to screw over?"
Anyway, it's all super frustrating but let's try to do what we can while we can.
From what I'm reading the fcc can't just make any change it wants. There has to be a reason for the change. In this case net neutrality has been a complete success and there really is no reason.
The courts are going to have to save net neutrality if the fcc is going to ignore the people.
Edit: yeah reading the article When not if this goes to court the fcc has no leg to stand on.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/opinion/courts-net-neutrality-fcc.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0
The courts are going to have to save net neutrality if the fcc is going to ignore the people.
Edit: yeah reading the article When not if this goes to court the fcc has no leg to stand on.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/opinion/courts-net-neutrality-fcc.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0
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You can do both, it takes the same amount of time to. I just feel that you'll see more tangible, reasonable responses from your congressional representatives than the current FCC. Court of public opinion is super influential.
Pirates were the first targetted crowd but the method they did that is destructive to networking which the all three branches of government at times have shown not to give a shit about. There is proof from the development of the sqm/qos tech called fq_codel or cake that typical systems do nothing to fix bandwidth problems and make them worse. Using nothing is absolutely bad. Guess what the bulk of the isps use on top of starving consumers at the last mile and then passing their data to bloated bigger pipeline.
I'm miffed professionals aren't calling them out for this shit. They want to run a racket blame you and charge you more. That's a fucking crime and what's worse is various parts of the government or parts of the industries are just willy nilly to let consumers think it's fair or ethical its not.
True. Tweet, call, and email. But I feel like they won't pay attention unless the numbers can reach those of the NRA, who are a very dedicated bunch (and also have the badly worded amendment on their side hehe). We need to do our damnedest one way or another.
Hopefully the courts could handle it. There probably is many legal reasons Pai's approach to net neutrality is not legally sound. We might have some hope. That would only be after NN is gutten, wouldn't it?
https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/14/...-verizon-is-playing-the-fcc-and-its-customers
Figured here was the right place for this
Figured here was the right place for this
Sent my message. It's sad that we even have to fight this battle. I hope people speak out about it. This is one fighter where literally everyone is on the same side.
Fucking this.
It's like I'm constantly getting slapped by stupidity left and right...
It's like arguing with a bunch of ass-hats on a daily basis trying to explain to them the Earth isn't flat.
It's the public, line by line, fact by fact, debate by debate, sentence by sentence, picture by picture - that makes the internet what it is. The internet should be treated like space. The concept alone demands neutrality.
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I'd understand if fighting was a grave time impediment for people, but since the legislation is already there, it only takes roughly 5 to 10 minutes of your day to write out a fax or make some calls to retain that piece of legislation...
Text Resist to 504-09 to draft and fax custom messages to your congresspeople instantly. It's amazing. Tell them to defend Net Neutrality.
Personally I want Ajit Pai's resignation on the list of demands
So yeah, it's fucking tiring. I'm not saying we should stop. But just because they WANT us to be tired doesn't mean it's any less tiring.
If this was the only thing going on, sure. But it feels like we have to fight on like a thousand different fronts right now, and it's hard to keep track of it all. And then just when you think something is finally behind you, like the LAST time we had to get out and shut down these attacks on net neutrality, BAM, there it is again. Just like we have to keep calling our politicians to not take away our healthcare, to not ban muslims from entering the country, to not try and kick transgender soldiers out of the military, to not approve the Keystone XL, and on, and on, and on.
So yeah, it's fucking tiring. I'm not saying we should stop. But just because they WANT us to be tired doesn't mean it's any less tiring.
The crappiest part about all this is FCC itself isn't affected at the consumer level, even though they are directly responsible for consumer and business regulations. So no matter what consumers do, unless speaking out directly, electing the right people and loudly which I hope we all do. There's no way to convey it properly. But even with that, it doesn't have an economic impact on the FCC directly which is the greatest motivator for pro consumer moves. So it's just far enough removed from consumers/small businesses that they really have no leverage here.
Yeah, I'd say this is considerably worse!
It feels like if this passes through in the states, it's only a matter of time before it comes to Canada. Wouldn't be surprised if Rogers already has plans.
I wonder how many people are using this. I used it yesterday and it took 5 minutes.
I still have trouble getting worked up over this, when people should have been doing stuff 10-20 years ago.
This is the perfect example of people rushing to close the barn door after the horse has already escaped - and ran across the meadow, down the hill, and into the river.
To be clear: I think net neutrality is incredibly important, and the loss of it will be a terrible thing for the internet, and the world as a whole.
Just, I mean, this has clearly been seen to be coming for years. The fact that people closed their eyes, looked the other way, and enjoyed their "bandwidth-free access on certain websites / platforms / etc." for so long is how we've gotten to this point.
Sorry for being Debbie Downer. Just, after taking issue with this for well over a decade, and seeing the war being lost, it's hard to get up for when people start caring so far after the fact.
This would basically just be a Pyrrhic victory.
This is the perfect example of people rushing to close the barn door after the horse has already escaped - and ran across the meadow, down the hill, and into the river.
To be clear: I think net neutrality is incredibly important, and the loss of it will be a terrible thing for the internet, and the world as a whole.
Just, I mean, this has clearly been seen to be coming for years. The fact that people closed their eyes, looked the other way, and enjoyed their "bandwidth-free access on certain websites / platforms / etc." for so long is how we've gotten to this point.
Sorry for being Debbie Downer. Just, after taking issue with this for well over a decade, and seeing the war being lost, it's hard to get up for when people start caring so far after the fact.
This would basically just be a Pyrrhic victory.
https://twitter.com/samgustin/status/933477308656246785
Important thread on what will happen.
I don't know how to embed tweets.
Important thread on what will happen.
I don't know how to embed tweets.
You can still do things about it. Saying "I told you so" is not productive.
I'm not saying "I told you so."
I'm saying that, after 10+ years of trying to do something about this when no one cared - or, worse, when people actively encouraged things against it - trying to get all riled up now is difficult.