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Take-Two CEO says Midnight Suns was a critical success, but not a commercial one
- Thread starter Wrexis
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Open world action games are the way to go with Marvel and I assume Wolverine will be one like Spiderman.
It really doesn't feel like a card game to me. Just an XCOM where each turn is a randomly generated puzzle, rather than having the same fixed set of options. It honestly feels like a stylistic blunder. They could have chosen to style the moves as something other than cards.
Bummer but not unexpected. It's an incredible game and it was my second favorite of last year. I do agree it has long legs and it's pretty obvious when you see the very strong word of mouth it has had once it came out and people got a good look at its systems. I think the cards scared off a lot of people unfortunately which is a shame because it's genuinely a great system that works well. It's not even a card game really, it just takes hero abilities and functionally makes them cards to keep combat fresh. Like you aren't going against enemies who are using cards or anything but I think people who are averse to card games saw that it had some form of cards and just noped out before giving it a chance. Hopefully the game ends up selling well in the long run.
I still think Avengers being such trash was a big problem for Guardians. Midnight Suns suffers from both being a fairly obscure Marvel reference in general (not obvious which characters it is by the name) and also not-exactly-straightforward gameplay.
But I think going forward, if you make a *good* straightforward 3rd person action title from an MCU property it will still sell well, especially if it's Iron Man, Hulk, or Black Panther (maybe Cap? I dunno if that's just my love for Cap talking). Wolverine will sell well.
But also to anyone who is on the fence on Midnight Suns but loves Marvel Comics, like, get this game. It's so good.
That's too bad to hear. As a big fan of Firaxis' work, and someone who enjoys but is not a fanatical fan of Marvel stuff, the project never really looked appealing to me. Partly because I'm apathetic towards card games, even if I do enjoy them.
The reviews did turn my head though. I'm certainly curious to try it, just to see what greatness Firaxis cooked up, but I'm not keen on spending a lot for it. I'd download it day 1 if it hits Game Pass, Humble Choice, or PS+ though.
The reviews did turn my head though. I'm certainly curious to try it, just to see what greatness Firaxis cooked up, but I'm not keen on spending a lot for it. I'd download it day 1 if it hits Game Pass, Humble Choice, or PS+ though.
So many people I know that enjoy Marvel/MCU stuff and play video games literally never heard of this title when I talk about enjoying it. But yeah, I wager it'll have a long tail, especially if the DLC is good shit.
That's a bummer, I'm really engaged with the game even though I'm playing at a glacial pace. But the combat is really fun and I normally bounce on all things card related (Yu-Gi-Oh excepted lol)
I don't think it's that. I surmise the audience for tactics games, and even more, card based tactics games, is not that big. Regardless if Marvel is attached.
Agreed on this. I don't think the card system was explained properly prior to release. I took a chance on it because I trust Firaxis, but I can see others being wary about it once they heard it would use cards.
December release date didn't help matters either.
The problem is the MCU success got Marvel thinking people actually care about the Guardians. If they make an Ant Man game it's gonna flop too.
Yeah, when I heard the game struggles a bit on the Deck the game became a "wait and see" or at least a "wait for a sale."
Turn based strategy games not performing well on lower spec devices doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Graphics are kind of the last thing I care about for tactical games.
Yeah, figured as much, didn't seem to make a splash anywhere, which is a damn shame, because it's my GOTY 2022. No other game since Returnal managed to grab me like that, and I'm not even following the MCU. Hope Firaxis doesn't suffer the consequences.
It's a brilliant game with incredible combat, and it's also a love letter to Marvel. It deserved big numbers.
The game had a lot of elements that are mismatched with each other, regardless of quality. The card system turned off a lot of the built in Firaxis fans, and fans of Marvel aren't really looking for a $60/$70 strategy game. Firaxis has always had a huge PC audience and this game just felt like an annoying detour for that group before getting the next X-COM.
I think this direction sealed the game's fate. They really needed to find some way to package the mechanic without any "cards" imagery or terminology because assuming it's some kind of deck builder or card battler is such a logical (and unwelcome, for a lot of folks) conclusion, and hearing the devs or fans talk in circles about how the game doesn't actually play like a card game was never going to undo even a fraction of the apathy that the word "cards" instilled.
For a general audience, being a tactical turn based game is probably a lot more of a turnoff than the tactics being presented with cards
The patch has been out for a bit, fixed all the crashing for me atleast. Cloud saves worked between SD and my desktop too.
All of these genres are huge on Steam... I just don't think Marvel is a big draw from the crowds that buys these games (like me.)
Especially this weird demonic fantasy Marvel thing going on there, which as a non-Marvel fan just confuses me and it's not something I associate with Marvel at all.
I recently started on PS5, and I haven't played the XCOM games, and I don't play card games, either. I'm surprised by how rough the cutscenes look, at least compared to the actual gameplay, which overall looks really good. The character animation, along with the impact of the moves, looks and feels great. And then more rough stuff, like a weak character creator--I couldn't even select gray/silver/white hair. The writing and voice acting is top tier, however.
I really don't think I'd recommend it to any of my friends, though. The systems seem really overwhelming, and I wasn't expecting a . . friendship simulator? I'm not even sure if that's right. I have no idea what the sales expectations happened to be, but it's over 100 CAD with taxes, and it doesn't exactly feel like a wide reaching game.
I really don't think I'd recommend it to any of my friends, though. The systems seem really overwhelming, and I wasn't expecting a . . friendship simulator? I'm not even sure if that's right. I have no idea what the sales expectations happened to be, but it's over 100 CAD with taxes, and it doesn't exactly feel like a wide reaching game.
Bad price got it for me, pretty sure I will like it, trust the Devs a lot, but not paying 70 to find out if it's a card game that I like for once. Now I'm basically just waiting for a too good to pass price.
All the people coming in here saying they want to pay sub-20 for an 80 hour strategy rpg. I mean…sure, okay….
It's not just that
It was a strayed game and that's just not interesting imo, it killed interest immediately
If it was like a gazzilion marvel game with that cast i would be all over it
Still haven't bought it and I'm a big Marvel guy,I just can't get excited for the card stuff sadly. Will pick it up when I find it on sale.
Supposedly it's semi linear or wide linear or whatever. Think TLOU or God of War.
I think it's too easy to understate how negative the reaction was to Guardians' reveal. I think, at most, I'd say that people took a less-than-charitable approach to Guardians because of Avengers' reception, but they were still responding to the marketing in front of them.
Ironically, I love demonic/occult shit, but the Marvel slant kills it for me, especially when the playable characters are just boring stock Marvel heroes that I'm beyond tired of by now or was never enamored with (Spider-Man, Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, etc). The game didn't look like it was leveraging its hellish style well at all except for Ghost Rider being in the game.
Yeah, it's just not something that ever clicked for me. I still wanna give it a shot, just not for the current price in case it turns out I'm right and I don't enjoy it.
