What point were you trying to make with this, because if it wasn't "I don't know where Ukraine is or what religion is the followed by most people there" then you failed to make it well.
What point were you trying to make with this, because if it wasn't "I don't know where Ukraine is or what religion is the followed by most people there" then you failed to make it well.
That's what's so frustrating about this. The fuckers who started this mess are going to use this for political gain and push us further into fascism.
Slow phased approach would also result in more bloodshed (soldiers, taliban, and civilians alike) for the same result as the taliban marched into areas with limited us presence.
Those trying to spin this withdrawal as anything other than a colossal fuck up will forever get side-eye from me. Stop forever trying to score political points and just see the truth for what it is.
That's the playbook. Doing the very thing you're blaming the other party for doing. Gaslighting and fascism go hand in hand.
PM Imran talks about overpowering 'shackles of slavery' at Single National Curriculum launch
Says cultural imposition is tantamount to 'mental slavery', adding that Afghans have "broken the shackles of slavery".
www.dawn.com
Pakistan PM Imran Khan says mental slavery is worse than the actual slavery. — DawnNewsTV
Seems like neighbours supporting Taliban.
Pakistan was always supporting and harboring the Taliban.PM Imran talks about overpowering 'shackles of slavery' at Single National Curriculum launch
Says cultural imposition is tantamount to 'mental slavery', adding that Afghans have "broken the shackles of slavery".www.dawn.com
Pakistan PM Imran Khan says mental slavery is worse than the actual slavery. — DawnNewsTV
Seems like neighbours supporting Taliban.
I absolutely feel for the afghani. But is there anything we can do? asking this earnestly legit asking if we can help
i agree but if the airport is compromised how are we getting them out?
If only someone had thought of that sooner and stayed long enough to get them out…
Is there any evidence the airport has been compromised? I figured there would be fire fights if that was the case but I haven't heard of any direct engagement between the US and Taliban.
The airport is still in US hands.
Honestly I think the best thing to do would be for the US and other nations to negotiate with the Taliban for a grace period for foreign nationals and Afghan government personnel to leave the country.
US soldiers apparently shot some civilians but so far the Taliban haven't engaged.
One small comment about speaking about the people in Afghanistan I'm seeing here. When I used the term "Aghani" I was corrected by my friend that it is better to use "Afghan." Afghani apparently is used more for currency. He said it wasn't offensive, but they prefer the "Afghan" identifier.
This is the end result of a horrible invasion and occupation that was based on revenge. I hate seeing the suffering that is happening now, but there was suffering there for the past 40+ years. 20 of it was under US occupation. And a lot of bad things were happening during that time too. Its just a horrible mess with so much loss and human tragedy.
I honestly don't know what any of us can do. I don't see the US stopping their meddling in this region or the ME in general for a long time.
Normally I would say you could donate to someone or vote for a party, but this bullshit and the American war machine seems to generally be a bipartisan issue.
I didn't want to post this but STRONG TRIGGER WARNING
people are falling from airplanes trying to get out
Apparently military craft are planned to resume evacuations soon, but I just wonder the absolute chaos that's going to happen when that part of this is done and civilians are left to learn what it really means to be desperate and needing the help of American government...
I get it but its not actually a sign that the US doesn't have control over the airport. Its a desperate situation and people there dont know how long that control will last.
Indeed, I've never heard of them being referred to as "Afghani" until just now in this thread.
This is a bigger problem than just Afghanistan. The US's entire refugee system was just totally destroyed during the Trump administration. And it wasn't great to begin with. You can't just whip something up. It will be a multi-year process. Are you advocating for the US to stay two more years?
is that the shahada? (don't read the islamic alphabet)This is a crazy sight: Taliban broadcast from ANT, Afghan national broadcaster
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How many are you talking about that you think the US or other counties should have helped get away? I mean, if I were a woman there and knew what was coming, I'd get out. Including men that are also afraid, that may be millions of people. Millions of people through a single (small?) airport? That'd be quite an undertaking, let alone finding them safe countries where they'd be allowed to go. Knowing surrounding countries, they're not always welcoming refugees with open arms, let alone the EU / US.
And it's not that I disagree, just wondering. I really never thought it'd all go this fast, so sad.
This is a crazy sight: Taliban broadcast from ANT, Afghan national broadcaster
Like a dystopian future
I'm not advocating staying for two years.
The US can bring people here and then sort it out later. It doesn't have to be sorted out first.
I don't have a specific number of people. We should, at the very least, get out those that helped the US and other governments.
thanks also realized i messed up calling it the islamic alphabet and not the arabic
Pretty sure they mean Afghans who've been employed by foreign governments and militaries since they'll likely face retribution once the dust settles.
That's the way it seemed, the government and military there was not ready or willing to put up a fight. They weren't willing to die - theyd rather give up to the Taliban.
Why do you want to send troop back to Afghanistan????
The fuck?
And who gonna control the country?
It's been going on all week in the smaller cities and rural areas. Street executions for anyone even remotely associated with the former government.
Take anyone who wants to leave and then leave. Don't invade countries in the future.
That's the point. There is no solution. It fucking sucks. But, there is no solution. Maybe America will FINALLY learn not to go to war or get in the business of nation building. It starts bad and ends worse.
complete the withdrawal, improve the aspects of the withdrawal that need improving. finding the solution for Afghanistan, or for U.S. foreign policy, is a different discussion.
How it keeps happening. US shows up, then offers to train and build an army. They offer money, people come in droves and sign up, but there is no real motivation or proper thought put into it. The training is bare minimum for these puppet armies, there is no loyalty and many in the military know this, have said for a long time they aren't up to snuff or can be left alone. We spend a ton of money and folks flock to join in large part because it's money, suddenly thousands of jobs are created and offered to the people who need it and they rush to join the army. They have no intention of fighting, and as soon as the US is gone, like history repeats they bail out or turn sides.
There is no solution. There was never a solution and the current outcome was inevitable, other than the horrendously mismanaged withdrawal and all of the people we've condemned to the Taliban instead of evacuating them earlier.