Going against the grain, I understand the issues with arming teachers but its a hell of a lot better than being cornered in a classroom totally defenseless.
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Tennessee GOP lawmakers pass bill to allow armed teachers, a year after deadly Nashville shooting
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I've seen gif of this many times and I always wondered if it was a joke.
The problem is that the question is how many of the situations where it helps will outweigh the situations where it hurts. Even leaving aside the obvious cases where a teacher might lose temper/the gun itself or misread a situation and pull it out, I wonder about indirect effects as it's another thing someone's got to have a handle on in the day and a drain on attention that could be going towards a lesson plan.
Oh good, so now there will be more readily accessible loaded guns in schools. I see absolutely no problems with-
LOAD OF FUCKING MORONS. Christ. What in the everloving fuck is wrong with this shitheads? How do they get out of the house without swallowing their own shoes?!
LOAD OF FUCKING MORONS. Christ. What in the everloving fuck is wrong with this shitheads? How do they get out of the house without swallowing their own shoes?!
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Why does it seem only the US has problems with school shootings, tho?
They've been endemic since Columbine.
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Trained cops can't shoot their guns expertly. They expect teachers to?
From what I understand with cops the issue is lack of range time. It's also expensive.
This is one of the biggest logistical issues I always come back around to whenever I've talked to anyone who supports teachers carrying guns. Being accurate with a firearm is not an easy thing even in the most ideal circumstances, much less in an actual firefight.
For such a gun-obssesed country as America is, we're also weirdly blinkered when it comes to what their realities are. "Good guy with a gun who always hits the bad guy and nobody else." It's like John Wayne movies totally overrides our perception of this thing we've enshrined as an unnadsailable right.
Fucking yikes.
And they'll still be cornered and defenseless when some kid steals the gun and starts shooting up the classroom.
Looking forward to the eventual teacher to student mass shooting, lets get doom and gloom going in all directions.
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Yeah, John Wayne, Dirty Harry, etc. All those urban decay vigilante movies really affected the American psyche.
Also, look at the countless mass shootings we've had since Columbine, has a "good with a gun" abated any of them?
Heck, Ulvalde had cops! And they were cowards.
We need less qualified immunity universally in this country.
That seems like a very short sided policy that Tennessee is rolling out.
Ridiculous. This is like trying to prevent traffic deaths by increasing speed limits and legalizing drunk driving. Republicans live in a fantasy world where the solution to gun violence is more guns, as if an omnipresent threat of death will deter crime. Well, the U.S. is already the most heavily-armed civilian populace on Earth, yet we have by far the highest amount of violent crime and esp. gun violence in the developed world. Not exactly working out for us, is it? Of course, it's not like the GOP actually care about American lives. Many tens of thousands of preventable deaths happen every year from guns and other causes that are endemic in the U.S., yet they do nothing and say little besides "thoughts and prayers." They do care about getting those checks from the gun lobby, though. Corporate donors are why nothing gets done about the countless preventable deaths in this country. Also, guns are integral to right-wing propaganda. Gotta keep their audience in constant fear of some nefarious "other" coming for them and their families.
This is also the state that believes they're putting vaccines in lettuce and banned it.
www.wate.com
And banned chentrails.
You can't expect much from them.
Tennessee ‘vaccine lettuce’ bill heads to Gov. Bill Lee’s desk
A bill that would prohibit vaccines to be put on food has passed the Senate and will be sent to Governor Bill Lee for his signature.
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And banned chentrails.
Tennessee passes 'chemtrail' bill banning airborne chemicals
Critics say it was inspired by unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that planes are spraying poison.
www.bbc.co.uk
You can't expect much from them.
Damn, no more horse paste sandwiches?This is also the state that believes they're putting vaccines in lettuce and banned it.
Tennessee ‘vaccine lettuce’ bill heads to Gov. Bill Lee’s desk
A bill that would prohibit vaccines to be put on food has passed the Senate and will be sent to Governor Bill Lee for his signature.
And banned chentrails.
Tennessee passes 'chemtrail' bill banning airborne chemicals
Critics say it was inspired by unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that planes are spraying poison.www.bbc.co.uk
You can't expect much from them.
As a school administrator, my wife has taken on kids with everything from bats, stools, pieces of glass, and knives.
She has had her nails broken when her hand was slammed in the window, been punched, bit and more.
Yet she has successfully subdued kids (some 150-200lbs) without a weapon.
There are teachers/administrators that are far braver than the police when it comes to critical situations. The majority do NOT want guns...and kids that lash out could EASILY take their gun and shoot people.
She has had her nails broken when her hand was slammed in the window, been punched, bit and more.
Yet she has successfully subdued kids (some 150-200lbs) without a weapon.
There are teachers/administrators that are far braver than the police when it comes to critical situations. The majority do NOT want guns...and kids that lash out could EASILY take their gun and shoot people.
This is also the state that believes they're putting vaccines in lettuce and banned it.
Tennessee ‘vaccine lettuce’ bill heads to Gov. Bill Lee’s desk
A bill that would prohibit vaccines to be put on food has passed the Senate and will be sent to Governor Bill Lee for his signature.
And banned chentrails.
Tennessee passes 'chemtrail' bill banning airborne chemicals
Critics say it was inspired by unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that planes are spraying poison.www.bbc.co.uk
You can't expect much from them.
Holy hell, what a clown show. Imagine being so divorced from reality that you vote for the people who enact this nonsense instead of anything that might actually improve your life in some way.
Then when a teacher shoots someone, we can arm the students.
Are they though? The presence of guns tends to make people less safe overall according to all of the information I've ever heard.
Are they though? The presence of guns tends to make people less safe overall according to all of the information I've ever heard.
Pretty sure some of my teachers would joke about shooting the problematic kids if they could, back in the day
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They will get away with it and parents won't be able to sue for wrongful death according this law.
I'm not a lawyer, so not sure how that stands to legal challenge, but the law is ridiculous.
At least school shooters in Tennessee won't have to bring their own gun. They can just use the teacher's.
A bunch of Zapp Brannigans if Zapp Brannigan were actually aware of how damaging his actions were.
It's a depressing state to live in. There are a lot of progressives trapped here. There are some glimmers of hope, last week we overwhelming voted to unionize at the VW plant and stopped our Govenor's plans to wreck the public schools with his horrible voucher plan
If it decreases school shootings and violence, im all for it.
But yeah, we know how this is gonna end up. Gun-slinging lonestar ass wannabes gonna turn the classrooms into a fearful learning environment. Guns give the wrong people a sense of power.
But yeah, we know how this is gonna end up. Gun-slinging lonestar ass wannabes gonna turn the classrooms into a fearful learning environment. Guns give the wrong people a sense of power.
Giving access to guns to a group of people who are routinely treated like shit by parents and children, are exhausted because they have to do extra work to get by, and way overworked because of budget cuts, seems like a great idea.
I get it and I'm against this but it's something. If this stops even one person then that's a few potential lives saved. I think it's stupid. I truly do. But it's something. We have done absolutely nothing so far.
It's fucking grim to think about, but nothing will change until it happens to those that are in a position to make that change happen.
A good guy with a gun is a fantasy and this is worse than doing nothing and actively makes the situation worse.
You're most likely right. Maybe this will show them this doesn't work. I hope it does. I don't think it will. But it's something...
meanwhile in Texas:
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just absolute bizarro world
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just absolute bizarro world
It's far, far more likely that these guns are used by teachers or students to cause more shooting deaths, as opposed to the ludicrous good-guy-with-a-gun fantasy.
So no, it's not "something" and it's harmful to frame it that way. This is like watching someone pour gasoline on a fire and applauding them for doing something.
As a former 911 dispatcher I can tell you that police officers (at least ones I worked with) were just as scared of a bad guy with a gun as a good guy with a gun trying to stop the commission of a crime.
I've seen scenarios here where people have mentioned the firearm being stolen but I imagine that's low on the list of concerns. Imagine the next shooting, an untrained armed teacher not knowing who the shooter is, sees a kid running trying to escape and caps them thinking they're the gunman.
Or even worse an on edge over worked teacher hearing someone drop a book in the hallway, running out and unloading on them thinking it was a gunshot.
I've seen scenarios here where people have mentioned the firearm being stolen but I imagine that's low on the list of concerns. Imagine the next shooting, an untrained armed teacher not knowing who the shooter is, sees a kid running trying to escape and caps them thinking they're the gunman.
Or even worse an on edge over worked teacher hearing someone drop a book in the hallway, running out and unloading on them thinking it was a gunshot.
While I side with your position, I disagree with your argument. Especially the silly gasoline analogy.