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Tesla Inc. eliminated almost its entire Supercharger organization, which has built a vast network of public charging stations that virtually every major automaker is in the process of tapping into in the US.

The decision to cut the nearly 500-person group, including its senior director, Rebecca Tinucci, was made by Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk in the last week, according to a person familiar with the matter. It comes in addition to the more than 10% staff cut ordered in mid-April, the person said.

The move will slow the network's growth, according to a person familiar with the division, who asked not to be identified discussing private matters. There are already discussions about rehiring some of those impacted in order to operate the existing network and grow it at a much slower rate, the person said. In a post on X, Musk confirmed network growth would slow.

The job cuts have left executives at at least one other automaker, Rivian Automotive Inc., confused and concerned, according to another person familiar with internal company discussions. Rivian, Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Co. are among the carmakers adopting Tesla's charging connectors for their battery-powered cars, giving thousands of customers access to the Tesla charging network.

Vehicles from those automakers were initially designed to use a standard called the Combined Charging System (CCS). There are fewer CCS chargers in the US than Tesla Superchargers, which use what Tesla has called the North American Charging Standard (NACS). Tesla's infrastructure is also considered faster and more reliable.

The job eliminations mean Rivian, Ford and others have lost their main points of contact in Tesla's charging unit shortly before the kickoff of the busy summer driving season. Tinucci was one of the main executives building and managing outside partnerships and was thought of highly, two people who had worked with her inside and outside of Tesla said.

Bloomberg confirmed that Tinucci was no longer listed on internal organizational charts as of Tuesday. One of Tesla's highest-ranking female executives, she spoke at the company's Investor Day in March 2023. She didn't respond to requests for comment.

Some of the Supercharger servicing team, which manages third-party access to the network, remains intact, according to one of the people. Tesla has been building CCS-to-NACS adapters in Buffalo, New York, and shipping them to partnering carmakers. Companies that have signed charging contracts with Tesla are mostly using the adapters as a short-term fix. For example, Ford EV customers can use the Supercharger network with an adapter now, and the technology will be built into the vehicles beginning in 2025.

Rivian and Ford are both still shipping adapters to their customers, according to statements from the companies. Ford told its EV owners on Friday, before the elimination of the broader Tesla Supercharger team, deliveries may be delayed in some cases due to "constraints" with the supplier.

Easy access to high-speed charging is widely seen as critical to EV adoption, and Tesla invested billions of dollars into developing a global network of Superchargers that became the envy of other automakers. It's also a critical component of Tesla sales, and the carmaker said the division was growing during its first-quarter results last week.

"Starting at the end of February, we began opening our North American Supercharger Network to more non-Tesla EV owners," Tesla wrote in its shareholder deck.

The Musk-led company has also signed charging partnerships with carmakers including Stellantis NV, Volvo, Polestar, Kia, Honda, Mercedes-Benz and BMW. It's not clear who will now oversee Tesla's partnerships with those companies. GM, Volvo and Polestar were all due to open NACS chargers to their customers in the immediate future, according to Tesla's website.

Tesla had 6,249 Supercharger stations and more than 57,000 connectors as of the end of the first quarter. It has more fast chargers in the US than all other providers combined, according to BloombergNEF.



Musk's decision to dismiss the head of the business, Rebecca Tinucci, and most or all of the staff that operated and maintained the Supercharger system, according to two former employees and multiple postings on LinkedIn, left officials at automakers and Tesla suppliers uncertain about the future.

Tesla did not respond to requests for comment.

Musk subsequently said on X that the carmaker still plans to expand the Supercharger network, "just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100% uptime and expansion of existing locations."

Andres Pinter, co-CEO of Bullet EV Charging Solutions, a supplier to the network, said, "As contractors for the Supercharger network, my team woke up to a sharp kick in the pants this morning."

"Tesla has already been awarded money under the federal government's NEVI program," he said, referring to the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure formula program to provide funding to states to deploy EV charging networks.

"There's no way Mr. Musk would walk away from effectively free money. It may be possible Mr. Musk will reconstitute the EV charger team in bigger, badder, more Muskian way."

GM and Ford, in separate statements, said they are not changing plans to equip their EVs with connectors that will allow drivers of Chevrolet, Cadillac or Ford brand EVs to recharge at Tesla stations.

"We have nothing new to announce regarding our plans," GM said. "We are continuing to monitor the situation regarding changes to the Supercharger team and the potential impacts with no further comments or updates at this time."



Getting all of the other car companies on board with the NACS charging system was one of the best things to happen to EVs in general as far as improving/unifying the charging infrastructure in the U.S., but this fucking idiot is trying to undo that.
 

massoluk

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Um.. what the fuck. LOL, like I feel one of the better scenarios would be to turn Tesla into just EV Charger station provider. Scaling down on the expansion plan on this, the one thing people agreed is good about Tesla, is wild
 
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Suichimo

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So there has to be some action that the manufacturers who just agreed to hook up to Tesla's supercharger network can take, yeah? Certainly there has to be some ramification for getting them to agree to it and then sabotaging the shit out of it...
 

Bufbaf

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And so, in a complete drug delirium, he no longer realized which company is which and will use all his exclusive twitter knowledge of actually running a company to pretend running all of them. Hopefully this will quickly end with him being thrown out of every board lol
 

J_ToSaveTheDay

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Yeah, that seems like an Elon Musk ass move, alright.

Sabotage the part of the business that seems like it positively impacts people outside of the business so fuck it, I guess?
 

TheMadTitan

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Sounds like something that should be seized by a regulatory institution, made into a public utility, and shared amongst auto makers and other EV related companies to build out the network regardless.
 

JAlpsWanderer

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"There's no way Mr. Musk would walk away from effectively free money. It may be possible Mr. Musk will reconstitute the EV charger team in bigger, badder, more Muskian way."


When has Musk ever made bad business decisions?

On the flipside, I can see him slow-walking this shit out of spite for the Biden-administration.
 

Strings

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There are already discussions about rehiring some of those impacted in order to operate the existing network and grow it at a much slower rate, the person said.
Why is that his favourite move. You'd think he'd figure out firing everyone doesn't work after the last few times he tried it and had to immediately course correct.
 

Spoit

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Um.. what the fuck. LOL, like I feel one of the better scenarios would be to turn Tesla into just EV Charger station provider. Scaling down on the expansion plan on this, the one thing people agreed is good about Tesla, is wild
At what point do the stockholders step in and say he's doing more to hurt their stick value than help it
 

Geode

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LOL automakers just got Musked. Anyway this is kind of sad, this is probably going to hurt electric car expansion, unless EA finally decides to really build up their network. *sigh*
 
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Is Musk going to return all the Federal money he got to keep expanding the network? I doubt it.

And yeah, at this point this should just be a pure government infrastructure project where Tesla is just a private contractor. If Tesla doesn't want to be bothered, then the contract goes to another automaker / comapny.
 

Jisgsaw

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Why is that his favourite move. You'd think he'd figure out firing everyone doesn't work after the last few times he tried it and had to immediately course correct.
I read somewhere that it's to avoid lawsuits: if he fires the whole department, nobody can say they were discriminate against.

It's either that, a power move or he is just that stupid.
 

Mivey

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Elmo really is his own worst enemy. Let's hope he manages to kill of Tesla as effectively has he is currently doing with Twitter. More power to him
 

NekoNeko

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At what point do the stockholders step in and say he's doing more to hurt their stick value than help it
they never will because the stock is faaaar above it's actually value thanks to the Musk cult. If he goes it will drop down to a more reasonable price in the 30-40 dollar range.

Musk is bad for the company but great for the stock. that's why they will happily approve his 50 billion bonus.
 
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From Musk's email to Senior Managers :

"Hopefully these actions are making it clear that we need to be absolutely hard core about headcount and cost reduction," Musk wrote in the email, the report said. "While some on exec staff are taking this seriously, most are not yet doing so.

...Words fail me.
 

SilentPanda

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From Musk's email to Senior Managers :



...Words fail me.

Elon Musk had a 'hilarious' way of asking if an ex-Twitter exec wanted to work for him


Elon Musk had an interesting way of phrasing a job offer, according to a former Twitter exec who met with him after he purchased the social media company.

Kayvon Beykpour, the former head of product at Twitter
Beykpour said he was let go from Twitter by former CEO Parag Agrawal right before Musk bought the company in 2022, but says Musk made him an offer of sorts to keep working on the platform. Beykpour first joined Twitter in 2015 when it acquired his video live-streaming company, Periscope, for $86.6 million.
Elon was very cool about it," Beykpour said. "He actually used this phrase at the end of our conversation which I still find hilarious. He was just like, 'Do you want to just like come — You seem like you care about the product and you don't have dumb ideas. Do you want to come hang out?'"
I was like, 'What would my job be?' And he was like 'Dunno, just like hang out and you can swipe left or swipe right.' He used the swipe right, swipe left Tinder metaphor and I thought that was kind of hilarious coming from him," Beykpour said.

"He was like, 'We don't have to make this a thing. Just like do you want to hang out and work on the product with us?'" he added.
Beykpour ultimately declined Musk's offer.
A former HR boss at Twitter says the company failed to pay $500 million in severance to laid-off staff.

www.businessinsider.com

Elon Musk had a 'hilarious' way of asking if an ex-Twitter exec wanted to work for him

Twitter's former head of product, Kayvon Beykpour, says Elon Musk offered him a job by asking him to "swipe right on whether you want to be here."
 

Tukarrs

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From what I've read, it has more to do with Musks other comment of the day.

Starting at 10 AM EST on Tuesday, I will ask for the resignation of any executive who retains more than three people who don't obviously pass the excellent, necessary and trustworthy test… I have been super clear about this.

The idea is both Rebecca Tinucci and Rohan Patel (Public Policy Team) pushed back on Musk's layoffs directive because their departments have been successful and vital to Tesla. Musk, possibly under the influence of drugs, reacted negatively to this and viewed them as disloyal. To be sure that there's no moles or anyone who thinks he's an idiot, he's fired the entire department.
 

fragamemnon

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Seeing this play out as bizzare and the only cope I can come up with that isn't insane is that Elon wants to take his car company and turn it into an AI company?
Just really bizzare behavior.
 

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Eric_S

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Sounds like something that should be seized by a regulatory institution, made into a public utility, and shared amongst auto makers and other EV related companies to build out the network regardless.

Pretty much. Charging networks are by their nature something that works best as a utility, now that the innovation phase seems to have settled around a standard.
 

Dyle

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Genius move to fire everyone responsible for the most successful and reliable part of the company
 

beat

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I read somewhere that it's to avoid lawsuits: if he fires the whole department, nobody can say they were discriminate against.
Sure, but if he fires everyone and then preferentially hires back everyone except people from a legally protected group, the law is not going to be fooled.
 

MrKlaw

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So there has to be some action that the manufacturers who just agreed to hook up to Tesla's supercharger network can take, yeah? Certainly there has to be some ramification for getting them to agree to it and then sabotaging the shit out of it...

Tesla's argument will be their network is already strong. Apparantly they still expect to expand/maintain existing locations, perhaps they think thats enough.

In the UK they've done some licensing - with white label V4 chargers being installed. But presumably that still needs a team to support but maybe a different team? They could do similar globally. Hey Ford you want NACS right? so we'll install but you pay for sites you feel are important?
 

Psychotext

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Tesla's argument will be their network is already strong. Apparantly they still expect to expand/maintain existing locations, perhaps they think thats enough.

Not entirely clear how effectively they'll be able to do that given most of the team is gone. If nothing else that's a whole shitload of institutional knowledge that's just been pushed out the door.
 
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Is Musk going to return all the Federal money he got to keep expanding the network? I doubt it.

And yeah, at this point this should just be a pure government infrastructure project where Tesla is just a private contractor. If Tesla doesn't want to be bothered, then the contract goes to another automaker / comapny.

That's the point of this though right, it's pretty much asking government or competitors that if they want this kind of infrastructure, it's not Tesla footing the bill. Though I'm sure they were already getting subsidies for this work.

I feel it's a bit shortsighted though. Those chargers having the Tesla logo on it sells to your misinformed consumer that the chargers would work best with Tesla cars. Like how Sony pays millions to have EA Sports FC have a PlayStation logo slapped on it at all times.
 

DieH@rd

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V4 was very similar to V3, and deployment was very slow.

With some luck, this all means that big reorganization is coming and brand new tech solution will be offered.
 
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That's the point of this though right, it's pretty much asking government or competitors that if they want this kind of infrastructure, it's not Tesla footing the bill. Though I'm sure they were already getting subsidies for this work.

I feel it's a bit shortsighted though. Those chargers having the Tesla logo on it sells to your misinformed consumer that the chargers would work best with Tesla cars. Like how Sony pays millions to have EA Sports FC have a PlayStation logo slapped on it at all times.

But the article says the government was already giving Tesla subsidies for the network, which basically made it almost cost-free for them to keep expanding it. So it's just a bizarre move by Musk. It's as if someone was paying you to keep laying down railroad tracks but you decided to fire all the track layers in your company anyway.

It likely wasn't a financial reason but selfish strategic reasons. Since the supercharger network will no longer be a Tesla exclusive, he probably doesn't want to help his EV competitors expand their charging network since those said competitors have already been significantly eating into Tesla's marketshare and profits the past year. Hopefully this finally destroys the "tech visionary" image some people and the media still have of Musk. Licensing out the supercharger network to other automakers is actually a substantial contribution to the EV movement, but of course now he's trying to sabotage it because his competitors are catching up to him.
 

Kill3r7

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But the article says the government was already giving Tesla subsidies for the network, which basically made it almost cost-free for them to keep expanding it. So it's just a bizarre move by Musk. It's as if someone was paying you to keep laying down railroad tracks but you decided to fire all the track layers in your company anyway.

It likely wasn't a financial reason but selfish strategic reasons. Since the supercharger network will no longer be a Tesla exclusive, he probably doesn't want to help his EV competitors expand their charging network since those said competitors have already been significantly eating into Tesla's marketshare and profits the past year. Hopefully this finally destroys the "tech visionary" image some people and the media still have of Musk. Licensing out the supercharger network to other automakers is actually a substantial contribution to the EV movement, but of course now he's trying to sabotage it because his competitors are catching up to him.

It's not cost free. Tesla has been winning around 17% of the bids. Also, Tesla's cost structure is so much cheaper than anyone else's when building new charge stations. Look at the states that have awarded their bids and you will see that competitors are charging significantly more than Tesla.

At the same time, Tesla is generally asking the federal government for less money per project. Tesla's average funding per site — $414,554 — is dramatically lower than most other suitors for infrastructure law funds.

For example, another major winner, Pilot Travel Centers, won NEVI funds at an average of $631,069 per site. Another, BP Pulse, the charging arm of oil major BP, asked for an average of $525,854 per site. The most expensive chargers are being built in Hawaii by Sustainability Partners, an infrastructure financing firm, and Aloha Charge, a Hawaii-based charging company, at an average price tag of $1.7 million — more than four times Tesla's average costs.

Behind Tesla in the fight for NEVI dollars are Francis Energy, which won over 11 percent of all federally funded stations, and Pilot, which nabbed almost 10 percent.


 
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"Hopefully these actions are making it clear that we need to be absolutely hard-core about headcount and cost reduction. While some on exec staff are taking this seriously, most are not yet doing so," Musk wrote to employees. Musk also told staff that he would ask for the resignation of any executive "who retains more than three people who don't obviously pass the excellent, necessary and trustworthy test."
Yeesh
 

PatAndTheCat

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Hoping things turn around for Tesla. Musk aside they are important to the American economy going forward
 

StrayDog

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1. Pushing Super Charger plug format.
2. Automakers adopted it
3. Tesla close Super Charger department
4. Sell license to use the format
5. Profit
 

Fatoy

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You'd think he'd have learned from Meta launching Threads and slowly eating Twitter's lunch that 'unassailable market positions' can quickly get assailed if you fire everyone responsible for them.

If I were an investor in Tesla (I'm definitely not) I'd be seriously hoping that the licensing fees for the NACS charging standard are lucrative enough to offset an even deeper shortfall in vehicle sales once people see the Supercharger competitive advantage start to dwindle.
 

NekoNeko

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pretty wild to me that you can let 500 people go for a product that hasn't been scrapped.
 

hwalker84

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My friend was on that team.

Internally employees left at Tesla are calling this the "Snap". My friend was building over 10 new sites and breaking ground on 3 others. Contractors are getting fucked and have no one to contact. Overnight 100's of sites with 100's of contractors, design companies and suppliers working on them are just in limbo with not a single person from Tesla reaching out to them and their contact laid off. Lots of layoffs are going to be tied to this.

Not only does this affect the building of new sites there's now not a single employee that can perform maintenance at any of these locations.

What happens to the gigafactory in Buffalo that only manufactures supercharger equipment?