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Is there anybody who genuinely believes Gary Oldman actually deserves to win Best Actor?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I've gone and watched all the shorts so now I'm the real Oscar expert, y'all better pay attention.

Best Picture:
Will Win: The Shape of Water (or potentially Get Out)
Should Win: Phantom Thread (my order of preference is that, then CMBYN, Get Out, TSOW, Lady Bird, Dunkirk, The Post, Darkest Hour, Three Billboards)
Should Be Nominated: The Florida Project (the real best picture, maaan)

Best Director:
Will Win/Should Win: Guillermo Del Toro (TSOW)
Should Be Nominated: Sean Baker (Florida Project)

Best Actor:
Will Win: Gary Oldman (Darkest Hour)
Should Win: Timothee Chalamet (CMBYN)
Should Be Nominated: Robert Pattinson (Good Time)

Best Actress:
Will Win: Frances McDormand (Three Billboards)
Should Win: Sally Hawkins (TSOW)
Should Be Nominated: Vicky Krieps (Phantom Thread)

Best Supporting Actor:
Will Win: Sam Rockwell (Three Billboards)
Should Win: Willem Dafoe (Florida Project)
Should Be Nominated: Michael Stuhlbarg (CMBYN)

Best Supporting Actress:
Will Win: Alison Janney (I, Tonya)
Should Win: Laurie Metcalf (Lady Bird)
Should Be Nominated: Carey Mulligan (Mudbound)

Best Adapted Screenplay:
Will Win/Should Win: Call Me By Your Name
Should Be Nominated: Blade Runner 2049

Best Original Screenplay:
Will Win/Should Win: Get Out
Should Be Nominated: Phantom Thread

Best Original Score:
Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Phantom Thread
Should Be Nominated: Good Time

Best Original Song:
Will Win: Remember Me (Coco)
Should Win: Mystery of Love (CMBYN)
Should Be Nominated: The Pure and the Damned (Good Time)

Best Foreign Language Film:
Will Win/Should Win: A Fantastic Woman
Should Be Nominated: Foxtrot

Best Animated Feature:
Will Win/Should Win: Coco

Best Documentary Feature:
Will Win: Icarus
Should Win: Faces Places
Should Be Nominated: Jane

Best Cinematography:
Will Win/Should Win: Blade Runner 2049
Should Be Nominated: The Florida Project

Best Film Editing:
Will Win/Should Win: Dunkirk
Should Be Nominated: Get Out

Best Production Design:
Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049
Should Be Nominated: Phantom Thread

Best Costume Design:
Will Win/Should Win: Phantom Thread

Best Makeup/Hair:
Will Win/Should Win: Darkest Hour
Should Be Nominated: The Shape of Water

Best Visual Effects:
Will Win: War for the Planet of the Apes
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049
Should Be Nominated: Okja

Best Sound Editing:
Will Win/Should Win: Dunkirk

Best Sound Mixing:
Will Win/Should Win: Dunkirk

Best Live Action Short:
Will Win/Should Win: DeKalb Elementary

Best Animated Short:
Will Win: Dear Basketball
Should Win: Garden Party

Best Documentary Short:
Will Win/Should Win: Heroin(e)
 

Vire

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I'm going to be rather annoyed if Shape of Water wins. It's the most overrated film of the year.

Call Me By Your Name and Get Out were much much better in my book.
 
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I'm going to be rather annoyed if Shape of Water wins. It's the most overrated film of the year.

Call Me By Your Name and Get Out were much much better in my book.

Im the opposite. I loved Shape of Water and found Get Out solid but overrated. Call Me By Your Name was a movie I can see all the merits but it left me cold same with Phantom Thread.


The Florida Project also needs way more nominations.
 

Vire

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Im the opposite. I loved Shape of Water and found Get Out solid but overrated. Call Me By Your Name was a movie I can see all the merits but it left me cold same with Phantom Thread.


The Florida Project also needs way more nominations.
I could not get into Shape of Water, particularly the first half of the film was overly long with sets that completely took me out of the movie and made me feel like I was watching a movie. Combine that with the ridiculously over the top dressed and styled scientists and it felt unbearably cheesy. I even thought Beauty and Beast was better than this which is a film of the same ilk.

I had happened to watch Call Me By your Name immediately before and the acting by Elio's character was just so far and away better than anything seen in Shape that I was astounded. It's just a beautiful film as well, the picturesque scenery, gorgeous framing of shots - it just made me really want to visit Italy..
 

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These are my picks and predictions for winners. It took forever because of the quality level is so high, I wish all the best for everyone involved in these films. Maybe Dennis Villeneuve will get an Oscar, for BOND 25? That would be immense.


BEST PICTURE:

Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Get Out (because it was a great horror film)

BEST DIRECTOR:
Will Win: Christopher Nolan
Should Win: Christopher Nolan (Dunkirk) - because Denis Villeneuve got snubbed...

BEST ACTOR
Will Win: Gary Oldman (Darkest Hour)
Should Win: Daniel Day-Lewis (Phantom Thread)

BEST ACTRESS
Will Win: Frances McDormand (Three Billboards)
Should Win: Margot Robbie (I, Tonya)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Will Win: Sam Rockwell (Three Billboards)
Should Win: Woody Harrelson (Three Billboards)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Will Win: Allison Janney (I Tonya)
Should Win: Allison Janney (I Tonya)

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY:
Will Win: Mudbound
Should Win: Logan

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY:
Will Win: Lady Bird
Should Win: Get Out

BEST ANIMATED FILM
Will Win: Coco
Should Win: Loving Vincent

BEST FOREIGN FILM
Will Win: A Fantastic Woman
Should Win: A Fantastic Woman

BEST DOCUMENTARY FILM
Will Win: Icarus
Should Win: Strong Island

BEST DOCUMENTARY - SHORT
Will Win: Not sure
Should Win: I have not seen any of them

BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT
Will Win: The Silent Child
Should Win: The Silent Child

BEST ANIMATED SHORT
Will Win: Negative Space
Should Win: Lou

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Dunkirk

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Will Win: "Remember Me", Coco
Should Win: Mystery of Love

BEST SOUND EDITING
Will Win: Dunkirk
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049 or Baby Driver

BEST SOUND MIXING
Will Win: Dunkirk
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049 or Baby Driver

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
Will Win: Blade Runner 2049
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049. Roger FUCKING Deakins

BEST MAKEUP AND HAIRSTYLING
Will Win: Darkest Hour
Should Win: Darkest Hour

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Will Win: Phantom Thread
Should Win: Phantom Thread

BEST FILM EDITING
Will Win: Dunkirk
Should Win: Baby Driver

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
Will Win: Blade Runner 2049
Should Win: War for the Planet of the Apes, for the love of God
 
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All the Best Actress nominees are worthy, but Frances was the favorite ever since Woody Harrelson's character shockingly coughed up blood and her tone shifted 180.
 

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Alright, my personal picks and predictions for winners. For lot of categories I'll be happy for almost anyone to win, the line of quality has been very high this year.

Best Picture:
Personal Choice: Shape of Water or Three Billboards
Who I think will win: Shape of Water or Three Billboards

Best Director:
Personal Choice: Guillermo del Toro
Who I think will win: Guillermo del Toro or Paul Thomas Anderson

Best Actor:
Personal Choice: Timotheé Chamalet
Who I think will win: Gary Oldman or Daniel Day-Lewis

Best Actress:
Personal Choice: Frances McDormand (Sally Hawkins almost tied)
Who I think will win: Frances McDormand

Best Supporting Actor:
Personal Choice: Richard Jenkins
Who I think will win: Sam Rockwell

Best Supporting Actress:
Personal Choice: Octavia Spencer (NOTE: I haven't seen Lady Bird or I, Tonya)
Who I think will win: Allison Janney

Best Original Screenplay:
Personal Choice: Get Out
Who I think will win: Three Billboards

Best Adapted Screenplay
Personal Choice: Call Me By Your Name
Who I think will win: Call Me By Your Name

Best Animated Film
Personal Choice: Coco
Who I think will win: Coco

Best Original Score:
Personal Choice: Shape of Water or Three Billboards
Who I think will win: Shape of Water & Three Billboards

Best Original Song:
Personal Choice: Mystery of Love
Who I think will win: Remember Me

Best Cinematography
Personal Choice: Blade Runner 2049
Who I think will win: Dunkirk

Best Makeup:
Personal Choice: Darkest Hour
Who I think will win: Darkest Hour

Best Costume Design:
Personal Choice: Phantom Thread
Who I think will win: Phantom Thread

Best Visual Effects:
Personal Choice: Blade Runner 2049 or War for the Planet of the Apes
Who I think will win: War for the Planet of the Apes


Skipped the categories where I either don't have enough knowledge to make a guess, or where I haven't seen none or enough of the Nominations. With most categories (especially acting, directing and BP) I would be happy with almost anyone winning.
 
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Also, my personal list of the movies (seen all BP nominees except Lady Bird :( )

1. Shape of Water
2. Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri
3. Call Me By Your Name
4. Phantom Thread
5. Get Out
6. The Post
7. Dunkirk
8. Darkest Hour

Really, only film that would make me confused for winning is Darkest Hour, and that film was pretty great as well.
 
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n8 dogg

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I honestly think it should be Daniel Day Lewis's category alone.

He was extraordinary too. I think Oldman's is a great physical performance, but incredibly bloviating and one-note, lacking in depth or change, and only possible because of the make up artists. He does nothing approaching the complexity of Chalamet's or Kaluuya's performances, let alone DDL's.
 

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I've seen fuck all of the movies nominated this year besides Get Out and Shape of Water.

I'll still give it a watch though.
 

Vire

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Also, my personal list of the movies (seen all BP nominees except Lady Bird :( )

1. Shape of Water
2. Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri
3. Call Me By Your Name
4. Phantom Thread
5. Ger Out
6. The Post
7. Dunkirk
8. Darkest Hour

Really, only film that would make me confused for winning is Darkest Hour, and that film was pretty great as well.
The Post over Dunkirk?.. Hmmm.

My list, seen all but Darkest Hour.

1. Call Me By your Name
2. Get Out
3. Phantom Thread
4. Dunkirk
5. Three Billboards outside Ebbing Missouri
6. Shape of Water
7. Lady Bird
8. The Post

Darkest Hour just didn't appeal to me at all from the trailer so I passed. The movie just doesn't seem very true to life and Gary Oldmans performance seems far too over the top, honestly shocked by the hints that he may win.
 

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Call me by your Name should clean all, if there is some faint justice on these lobbyist Awards!

Does anyone want new Amano wallpaper?

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exquisite art.
 

The Bear

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The Post over Dunkirk?.. Hmmm.

My list, seen all but Darkest Hour.

1. Call Me By your Name
2. Get Out
3. Phantom Thread
4. Dunkirk
5. Three Billboards outside Ebbing Missouri
6. Shape of Water
7. Lady Bird
8. The Post

Darkest Hour just didn't appeal to me at all from the trailer so I passed.

Dunkirk was great! One of Nolan's better films for sure. The Post just appealed to me slightly more.

I was really rooting for CMBYN to be the number one, but Shape of Water and Billboards ended up being slightly better.
 
All the Best Actress nominees are worthy, but Frances was the favorite ever since Woody Harrelson's character shockingly coughed up blood and her tone shifted 180.
It makes that deer scene all the more baffling, since Mildred has plenty of moments as it is when it comes to dropping her armor. That bit when
the billboards are burning and she bellows out Robbie's name like it's the last thing she can hold onto
was another great moment for Frances and her character. The deer scene felt like a studio note come to life.

"Can we have just one scene where Mildred is not being horrible to another person?"
"Gotcha, fam."
 

ViewtifulJC

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It makes that deer scene all the more baffling, since Mildred has plenty of moments as it is when it comes to dropping her armor. That bit when
the billboards are burning and she bellows out Robbie's name like it's the last thing she can hold onto
was another great moment for Frances and her character. The deer scene felt like a studio note come to life.

"Can we have just one scene where Mildred is not being horrible to another person?"
"Gotcha, fam."

it definitely looks like a quickly added scene, with that hilariously phony CG
 

Vire

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Blade Runner got robbed :(
Agreed, Blade Runner is in my top five for best of the year.A truly phenomenal film with just unbelievable visuals.

It's a bit of the shame some of the typical Oscar bait is getting more recognition than it considering Mad Max was recognized despite not being your typical "Oscar" film.
 

n8 dogg

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Will post my list; been a great year I think

1. Get Out (9/10)
2. Phantom Thread (9/10)
3. Call Me by Your Name (9/10)
4. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (9/10)
5. The Shape of Water (9/10)
6. Lady Bird (7/10)
7. Dunkirk (7/10)
8. The Post (6/10)
9. Darkest Hour (4/10)
 

Ithil

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Is there anybody who genuinely believes Gary Oldman actually deserves to win Best Actor?
I think he's deserved to win it for many roles over the last thirty years and he's one of the best actors of all time. Which is why it sucks that he's going to finally win for one of his lesser roles, and an excessively baity one too, and over more deserving ones this year.
 

pollo

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Why wasn't Florida Project nominated for best picture? Thought it more deserving than some movies in that list.
 

Ithil

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Agreed, Blade Runner is in my top five for best of the year.A truly phenomenal film with just unbelievable visuals.

It's a bit of the shame some of the typical Oscar bait is getting more recognition than it considering Mad Max was recognized despite not being your typical "Oscar" film.
To be fair, The Shape of Water is the opposite of Oscar bait and it has the most noms this year, and is going to win a pile of them, including at least Best Director.
 
I think he's deserved to win it for many roles over the last thirty years and he's one of the best actors of all time. Which is why it sucks that he's going to finally win for one of his lesser roles, and an excessively baity one too, and over more deserving ones this year.
It's still crazy that this is only his second nomination ever. It's really hard for actors to cover up the "stink" of being a character actor in the opinion of the Academy, which is why he struggled so long to get any recognition from them.

At least with someone like Leo, he was still collecting nominations for deserved roles (well, maybe not Blood Diamond) while getting passed over. They didn't even let Oldman in the door until this decade!
 

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I'll be watching this on the side tonight.

And yes, Blade Runner 2049 was robbed. But hey, at least it's nominated in some places.
 

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Why wasn't Florida Project nominated for best picture? Thought it more deserving than some movies in that list.

My issue with Florida was that it was too long. Bit too much filler, so it didn't flow as well as it could have. Some phenomenal acting and directing, though.
 

Ithil

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I'm going to leave out a couple categories where I haven't seen many of the noms, but predictions and wishes:

Best Picture:
Will win: The Shape of Water or Three Billboards
Should win: The Shape of Water, Get Out or Lady Bird

Best Director:
Will win: Guillermo del Toro
Should win: Guillermo del Toro

Best Actor:
Will win: Gary Oldman
Should win: Timotheé Chalamet

Best Actress:
Will win: Frances McDormand
Should win: Sally Hawkins or Saoirse Ronan

Best Supporting Actor:
Will win: Sam Rockwell
Should win: Richard Jenkins or Willem Dafoe

Best Supporting Actress:
Will win: Alison Janney
Should win: Laurie Metcalf

Best Original Screenplay:
Will win: Get Out or Three Billboards
Should win: Get Out or Lady Bird

Best Adapted Screenplay
Will win: Call Me By Your Name
Should win: Call Me By Your Name

Best Animated Film
Will win: Coco
Should win: Coco. You can crib about Pixar's monopoly on this category all you want, Coco 100% deserves it.

Best Original Score:
Will win: The Shape of Water
Should win: The Shape of Water

Best Original Song:
Will win: This is Me (bleh)
Should win: Remember Me. Not only a great tune, but is actually central to the plot of the film and not just in the credits.

Best Cinematography
Will win: The Shape of Water or Blade Runner 2049
Should win: The Shape of Water or Blade Runner 2049. BR is some of perennial bridesmaid Deakins' best ever work, which is saying something, and he deserves to win, but I can't deny that Shape of Water was extraordinary looking too, and I can't be mad at it winning.

Best Makeup:
Will win: Darkest Hour
Should win: Darkest Hour. Hey, they won Oldman an Oscar.

Best Costume Design:
Will win: Phantom Thread
Should win: Phantom Thread. Like Remember Me, not only is the costume design terrific, but it's also actually important to the film and not just there to look nice.

Best Visual Effects:
Will win: Blade Runner 2049
Should win: Blade Runner 2049 or War for the Planet of the Apes

Best Editing:
Will win: Dunkirk or Baby Driver
Should win: Dunkirk or Baby Driver

Best Sound Editing/Mixing:
Will win: Dunkirk for both
Should win: Dunkirk for both
 

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If we are talking about pure direction of a film. Shouldn't Dunkirk win? Really, I'm not even kidding.

It truly is one of the best *directed* films I have ever seen.

I don't know why the general consensus has gone cold on this movie all the sudden considering the ravenous reviews upon release.
 

Ithil

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Now that Oldman is finally getting his Oscar, and others like Leo got theirs recently, who else remains as a long time bridesmaid at the Oscars?
I can think of Amy Adams off the top of my head, she's been nominated five times over the last decade and never won, despite her immense talent. I have a bad feeling Saoirse Ronan may wind up here for a while as even though she's starting to be regularly nominated the stars don't seem to align for her to be frontrunner by Oscar time. She's an extraordinary actress so she'll win eventually.
 

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Imo Darkest Hour or The Post gonna win Best Picture because they deserve it the least but hey they have Gary Oldman in a fat suit or just Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep.

Personally i would give it to Phantom Thread or Shape of Water. Get Out would be also nice just for the meltdowns.
 

Ithil

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If we are talking about pure direction of a film. Shouldn't Dunkirk win? Really, I'm not even kidding.

It truly is one of the best *directed* films I have ever seen.

I don't know why the general consensus has gone cold on this movie all the sudden considering the ravenous reviews upon release.
Dunkirk is a film that could only be a film, it couldn't be a book, a play, a TV show, a comic or a video game, and in that regard Nolan does deserve a win. However, I can't fault del Toro getting it, he's a superb director and he has been ignored for his talents for years and years.

Imo Darkest Hour or The Post gonna win Best Picture because they deserve it the least but hey they have Gary Oldman in a fat suit or just Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep.
Neither of those have any hope in hell of winning. Like they're number 8 and 9 on the rankings of chances to win respectively.
 

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Now that Oldman is finally getting his Oscar, and others like Leo got theirs recently, who else remains as a long time bridesmaid at the Oscars?
I can think of Amy Adams off the top of my head, she's been nominated five times over the last decade and never won, despite her immense talent. I have a bad feeling Saoirse Ronan may wind up here for a while as even though she's starting to be regularly nominated the stars don't seem to align for her to be frontrunner by Oscar time.
I actually enjoyed her performance in Brooklyn moreso.
 

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BEST PICTURE:
Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Get Out

BEST DIRECTOR:
Will Win: Del Toro
Should Win: Jordan Peele

BEST ACTOR
Will Win: Gary Oldman
Should Win: Timmy Boy!

BEST ACTRESS
Will Win: Frances McDormand
Should Win: Margot Robbie

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Will Win: Sam Rockwell
Should Win: Dafoe

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Will Win: Allison Janney
Should Win: Allison Janney

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY:
Will Win: Mudbound
Should Win: Mudbound

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY:
Will Win: Get Out
Should Win: Get Out

BEST ANIMATED FILM
Will Win: Coco
Should Win: Coco

BEST FOREIGN FILM
Will Win: A Fantastic Woman
Should Win: A Fantastic Woman

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Dunkirk

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Will Win: Coco
Should Win: Coco

BEST SOUND EDITING
Will Win: Dunkirk
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049

BEST SOUND MIXING
Will Win: Dunkirk - Its terrible
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Will Win: The Shape of Water
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
Will Win: Dunkirk
Should Win: Blade Runner 2049

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Will Win: Shape of Water
Should Win: Shape of Water

BEST FILM EDITING
Will Win: Dunkirk
Should Win: I, Tonya

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
Will Win: War of Apes
Should Win: War of Apes




If we leave with
1. Get Out getting best picture
2. Peele getting Gold
3. Deakins picking up best Cine
4. Coco getting best animated.

I'll be happy.
 

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I hope Guillermo and TSOW will make it big and it leads to some exec being crazy enough to fund big budget At the Mountains of Madness adaptation which eventually leads to steady stream of properly produced Lovecraft movies.
 

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I haven't enjoyed a best picture winning film since Birdman, but this year the two leading films are actually worthy. I liked Three billboards more but I won't shed a tear if shape of water takes it.

Is there anybody who genuinely believes Gary Oldman actually deserves to win Best Actor?
Me.
 

shintoki

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I hope Guillermo and TSOW will make it big and it leads to some exec being crazy enough to fund big budget At the Mountains of Madness adaptation which eventually leads to steady stream of properly produced Lovecraft movies.

He got that after Pan's. All it did was produce large budget films squeaking by...at best
 

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It's a very close one to call for best picture .

3 Billboards was my favourite last year but i would also love Shape of Water to pick it up.
 

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The Phantom Thread
Call Me By Your Name
(The Florida Project)
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards
Dunkirk
Darkest Hour
Get Out
The Post
 

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Hoping for Loving Vincent for best animated, Three Billboards for BP, Timothee for best actor, Get Out for best original screenplay and CMBYN for best adapted screenplay. Don't care about the other categories enough.
 

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I loved three billboards and get out. I expect three billboards will win.

Haven't seen the Post, Shape of Water or Darkest Hour.
 

shintoki

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The only huge budget film he's done is Pacific Rim and that was eight years after Pan's Labyrinth.
Define huge, Hellboy 2 was 85mil and the first didn't perform hot. Pacific Rim scrap by with intentional gross and they solely green-lit the sequel due to the booming international market, and Crimson Peak was 55mil for a Horror film. That's an expensive ass horror film.

Add on him dropping from Hobbit, studio backing out of Mouth of Maddness.

Shape of Water would be his first actual hit in 11 years. With everything else either falling apart and not doing very well. So I don't see why a Studio Exec would want to give this man more money. He does better when he gets less.
 

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Didn't even know Gary Oldman and Daniel Day Lewis were in movies last year.

How is Shape of Water? I mostly like Del Toro, but is it... err... Oscar-baity?